Look, I'm willing to take this job.

 All must bow down and kneel , while I pilfer.

  Or you can vote for the other guy.

 dmax wrote: 
Posted nothing but a story from the highly regarded news outlet, CBS News.  No extra comments did I make.

When you tell me Mr. Obama is your guy, I'll answer your question.

 kurtster wrote: 
Yup. He's crap. Who do you pick instead?

Obama criticized for flubbing name of medal of honor winner

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Mr. Obama on Thursday praised the troops from the 10th Mountain Division and said it was an honor to award a Medal of Honor to one of their own who was still alive.

"I had the great honor of seeing some of you because a comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn't receiving it posthumously," Mr. Obama told the troops in Fort Drum, New York, home of the 10th Mountain Division.

Monti was, in fact, killed in 2006 and Mr. Obama posthumously awarded him the Medal of Honor in 2009 in a White House ceremony with his parents. Salvatore Giunta is the first living recipient of the Medal of Honor since the Vietnam war. Mr. Obama awarded Giunta the Medal of Honor in a White House ceremony last year.

Asked about the embarrassing slip, RNC chair Reince Priebus said "people make mistakes but ... when he is not scripted, mistakes seems to happen."

"I think the president is a scripted, plasticized candidate and I think America is prepared to relieve him of his job in 2012," Priebus said in an interview with CBS News.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20074189-503544.html#ixzz1QEcHaziN


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20074189-503544.html#ixzz1QEc22mML

 Mugro wrote: 
We already heard that Obama has a hate list.  That was a couple of years ago. 

Ah, the short memory and attention span of the voters.  Or is it that no one knows how to figure things out ?

U.S. Students Remain Poor at History, Tests Show


And we pick on Palin"s recollection of Paul Revere's ride ?  Its a wonder anyone could figure the thing out in the first place.

Blame a teacher union ...

 Beaker wrote: 
Shades of Richard Nixon....

Why not just ask for a resolution of support from Congress? That is what McCain has been asking for. That would end the constitutional debate.

 oldviolin wrote: 
"You can train a monkey to sleep but you can't teach him to wake up." 

 Beaker wrote: 

A love button? Or a different kind? Which?

 dmax wrote: 
because your big head is why

From the Troll Taxonomy:

Ad hominem troll

Ad hominem troll at its simplest, will attack people personally, rather than the merits of their statements or methodologies.

The ad hominem troll often has already lost a rational argument about a topic, and thus its goal is to change the argument from being about a topic, to being about the people opposed to the troll (which could mean any/all rational person(s) in the discussion), in the hopes of both discrediting people's ideas indirectly by discrediting the people, and engendering an emotional reaction from the people by attacking their egos / self-image. The "getting a reaction out of" goal is common to most troll types.

"some here, yourself included, will not see nor understand the parallels"

"Your noses are simply buried too deeply into the proverbial bark."

"Or you lack the courage, will, ability to step away and ask the truly difficult questions. That is a shame."

 

The simple ad hominem troll is easily detected and dealt with by calling them on their ad hominem attacks.

 dmax wrote: 



Just one more reason to legalize.

 cc_rider wrote: 
Yep. I was trying to be careful to not come out against recreational drugs, just like I'm not against recreational gambling. It's the methodology: Vegas, Juarez, whatever.

 oldslabsides wrote: 
Or computers or tennis shoes.

 dmax wrote:
  All the more reason to Buy Local. Seriously, just allow limited legalization (possession of small amounts okay, but not selling or transporting), and that problem goes away pretty quickly. The hard stuff like coke and meth, that's a different story. Even there, rehab/detox programs would be more cost-effective than the mess we have now.

 Beaker wrote: 
Bump my post from 2 days ago if it got missed.

Obama says he didn't inform Mexico of U.S. gun smuggling operation because he didn't know about it

Posted on 03/24/2011 by Richard Dunham

Then ...

Obama Administration Under Mounting Pressure for Botched Gun Trafficking Investigation

Published March 28, 2011

And then ...

U.S. agents slam gun sting effort on Mexico border

WASHINGTON | Wed Jun 15, 2011

To this ...

Justice Dept. untruthful about Fast & Furious, ATF agents tell Congress

June 15, 2011

The Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) yesterday released a report, "The Department of Justice's Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents," that is sure to infuriate law enforcement officers and American citizens across the country.  

The at time shocking report includes testimony from four Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) agents offering firsthand accounts about the controversial Operation Fast and Furious that allowed suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns.   

Two of the approximately 2,000 guns that ATF let criminals walk away with were found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
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"ATF agents have shared chilling accounts of being ordered to stand down as criminals in Arizona walked away with guns headed for Mexican drug cartels," said Rep. Issa.  "With the clinical precision of a lab experiment, the Justice Department kept records of weapons they let walk and the crime scenes where they next appeared.  To agents' shock, preventing loss of life was not the primary concern."

...

While President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder denied knowledge of the operation, according to law enforcement sources, the rationale for the operation that went awry was that Attorney General Holder and his staff at the Justice Department wanted to show proof of his, and other Obama administration officials', statements that the majority of firearms used by Mexican drug cartels originated in the United States and are smuggled into that drug war-torn country.

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EDITORIAL: The U.N. gun grabber

Global Small Arms Treaty threatens your right to self defense

Thursday, May 27, 2010

American gun owners might not feel besieged, but they should. This week, the Obama administration announced its support for the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. This international agreement poses real risks for freedom both in the United States and around the world by making it more difficult - if not outright illegal - for law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

read the rest here

 dmax wrote: 
The same could be said about oil.

 cc_rider wrote: 
Part of it is demand. Although the War on Drugs is idiotic, it does make sense that our kids (and we) should know that the pot they're buying on the street is supported by some pretty heinous activities, including the murdering and enslavement of many people, as well as the promotion of gangs in the US.

Boring old illicit street drugs like pot aren't part of the way cool way to tune in, turn on, and drop out, any more. They're not antiestablishment. They're like Vegas, where you're either The House or The Sucker, and it turns out, the way things are set up now, that Americans aren't The House. 

 Beaker wrote:  I've been hearing bits of this story for awhile now. It is disgusting, and sickening. Mexico is descending into complete collapse, and we're not just fueling the fire (with our drug use) but also throwing lit matches (guns) in.

The war on drugs is such a colossal boondoggle. I'm not arguing for total legalization, I just know what we're doing now is not only not stopping the flow of drugs, but it is killing thousands of people. This has got to stop.

 Beaker wrote: 

 Beaker wrote: 

Wow, we're getting frothy at the mouth today, aren't we?  How did I enter into this discussion?

Two ad hominems for the price of one, very good!!  I can see how genuinely sincere your repeated lamenting of the lack of civil discussion in the forums really is.