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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 10:24pm

The Opportunist
J.D. Vance, a shameless fraudster peddling corporate-backed pseudo-populism, is a perfect match for Donald Trump. He’s playing Americans for suckers.
I try to avoid using polemical epithets like “bootlicker” and “toady,” but if anyone has earned them, J.D. Vance has. And because Donald Trump loves bootlickers and toadies, as a 39-year-old freshman senator, Vance has earned himself a slot on the presidential campaign ticket. He will be set up to be the de facto leader of the Republican Party after Trump. (...)

The kind of right-wing “populism” pushed by Vance and Trump accepts that many left-wing diagnoses of social ills are real. (Unlike certain strains of liberalism, which insist that everything is amazing and people need to stop whining.) But rather than, say, respond to unaffordable healthcare by making healthcare affordable, and reining in the corporations getting rich from extorting people, the right-wing populist directs the public’s rage toward immigrants, trans people, The Globalists, the Deep State, DEI, the Chinese Communist Party, and random ordinary people online. Whereas the “personal responsibility” conservative says, “your problems are your own fault,” the “populist” conservative says, “your problems are the fault of people who don’t look like you, or sinister shadowy government forces.” So much for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Instead, just find the right population to resent. Once elected, both types of conservatives use their power to further enrich the already-rich. Neither actually solves the problems.

The fraud is so transparent that I feel like I’m insulting the reader’s intelligence by pointing it out. J.D. Vance laid out the playbook himself! Take a social problem like addiction, promise to solve it by building a wall, and use this to portray yourself as someone who cares and will help. We could laugh at what an obvious con this is, but the men selling it are currently on a path to becoming the president and vice president.

Ask a “populist” conservative about pro-worker policies and all of a sudden, they start sounding much more like a traditional Chamber of Commerce Republican. (...)

As Ben Burgis points out, Vance is a multi-millionaire who has espoused “pretty much the views you’d expect from a Yale-educated venture capitalist whose campaign is primarily financed by a libertarian Silicon Valley billionaire.” Indeed, free market libertarian Peter Thiel (who distrusts democracy, in part because women have the vote) put a staggering amount of money toward getting Vance elected to the Senate. If Vance did have serious economically populist commitments, it’s hard to think Thiel would be getting his money’s worth. (...)
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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 4:35pm

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Worse than that.  Current reporting says ...

The shooter was initially tagged as suspicious a full hour before the start of the rally, after being flagged by police more than once.

Ten minutes before Trump walked on stage, the USSS upgraded his status to THREAT.  Trump's arrival on stage should have been paused at that point. Massive fail by USSS.





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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 4:17pm

Joe has COVID and has cancelled campaign appearances.
The calls for Joe to step aside are escalating (Schumer, Jeffries)
There's a VP debate somewhere in the future.

Today, this, from the Trump campaign:



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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 3:57pm

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Right, I read/heard that too. And from what I understand Crooks almost immediately the turned to sight Trump and fired his shots because he was definitively spotted and probably realized he wasn't going to have much time to shoot after that. 
 
My question is: Should not the Secret Service have become aware of a person setting up shop on a nearby building in the time before the other police officer confronted him? I mean what is their responsibility in the situation if not that? They neutralized him very quickly but only after he killed and injured people on the scene.   


Worse than that.  Current reporting says ...

The shooter was initially tagged as suspicious a full hour before the start of the rally, after being flagged by police more than once.

Ten minutes before Trump walked on stage, the USSS upgraded his status to THREAT.  Trump's arrival on stage should have been paused at that point. Massive fail by USSS.


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 3:49pm

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From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."

Right, I read/heard that too. And from what I understand Crooks almost immediately then turned to sight Trump and fired his shots because he was definitively spotted and probably realized he wasn't going to have much time to shoot after that. 
 
My question is: Should not the Secret Service have become aware of a person setting up shop on a nearby building in the time before the other police officer confronted him? I mean what is their responsibility in the situation if not that? They neutralized him very quickly but only after he killed and injured people on the scene.   



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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 11:12am

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From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."

There also has been sketchy reporting of a ladder seen propped against the building. (It would seem that this should easily be established). It has been reported that Crooks bought a ladder from Home Depot. Is it possible that he was walking around with a ladder in that outer perimeter? 


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 11:05am

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Here’s the thing that truly baffles me. If the Secret Service counter-snipers are supposed to be scanning and looking for potential snipers… how is it that Crooks was able to get himself set up to take his shot undetected by them? Or if he was detected, should they not have raised an alarm and had the proceedings cease until an official or officials be dispatched to the building to check him out before resuming the event?

From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."
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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 10:52am

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I thought I was hearing the sound of the rounds passing the mic, the sort of snap or crack, and then the sound of a supressed weapon, no real boom, but something more like a pop. It is possible the mic clipped the sound of the report somewhat as well if the weapon wasn't supressed.
The elapsed time between the sound of the passing round and the sound of the supressed shot also made me think the sniper hotel was pretty close to the mic......

There is a part of training spent behind the berm learning to determine distance to the threat from the sound of the passing round and the sound of the shot and the elapsed time between.....so personally I do think it was gunfire, possibly from a supressed weapon, pretty close to the mic.

I am more interested in the time between the counter snipers having scoped the threat and their shot....something like 40 seconds. I understand the ROE these days would require clearance to engage, and lawyers have probably conditioned SOP into never taking the first shot, but it would be convenient to wait for the threat to take their shot, and then take them out because dead men obviously never tell tales.
I am not convinced it was staged because there were definitely rounds going downrange and not just blanks, but I do think something is off with the way it was handled and with the fact that the high ground was not under proper observation.

These days, who knows......9/11 official narrative looks dodgy, JFK official story is basically a joke at this stage, the Coof story seems like a conjob.....who do you believe?
Your mileage may vary....those are just my thoughts.....be cool.


Here’s the thing that truly baffles me. If the Secret Service counter-snipers are supposed to be scanning and looking for potential snipers… how is it that Crooks was able to get himself set up to take his shot undetected by them? Or if he was detected, should they not have raised an alarm and had the proceedings cease until an official or officials be dispatched to the building to check him out before resuming the event? 


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 8:14am

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I've heard a lot of gunfire in my lifetime; that wasn't gunfire.



I thought I was hearing the sound of the rounds passing the mic, the sort of snap or crack, and then the sound of a supressed weapon, no real boom, but something more like a pop. It is possible the mic clipped the sound of the report somewhat as well if the weapon wasn't supressed.
The elapsed time between the sound of the passing round and the sound of the supressed shot also made me think the sniper hotel was pretty close to the mic......

There is a part of training spent behind the berm learning to determine distance to the threat from the sound of the passing round and the sound of the shot and the elapsed time between.....so personally I do think it was gunfire, possibly from a supressed weapon, pretty close to the mic.

I am more interested in the time between the counter snipers having scoped the threat and their shot....something like 40 seconds. I understand the ROE these days would require clearance to engage, and lawyers have probably conditioned SOP into never taking the first shot, but it would be convenient to wait for the threat to take their shot, and then take them out because dead men obviously never tell tales.
I am not convinced it was staged because there were definitely rounds going downrange and not just blanks, but I do think something is off with the way it was handled and with the fact that the high ground was not under proper observation.

These days, who knows......9/11 official narrative looks dodgy, JFK official story is basically a joke at this stage, the Coof story seems like a conjob.....who do you believe?
Your mileage may vary....those are just my thoughts.....be cool.

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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 5:42pm

Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost

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The findings also reveal that Trump's lead has narrowed slightly since the firm's previous survey, conducted between July 12 and 14, which put Trump two percentage points ahead with 44 percent to Biden's 42 percent.

In the week before the shooting, national polls had Trump as the favorite to win the White House, leading narrowly in the six key battleground states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, with some of the results falling within the statistical margin of error.


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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 5:41pm

Donald Trump Suffers Shock Poll in Florida

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Trump's margin is also narrowing in North Carolina, where he had a three-point lead over Biden in June. According to Redfield & Wilton Strategies' poll, his lead was slashed to only two points, with 44 percent of those polled saying they would vote for Trump, compared to Biden's 42 percent.

Biden is one point ahead of Trump in Michigan, according to the poll.


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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 4:59pm

According to  "Channel 4 News"  the Trump campaign had Thomas Crook's father, the purchaser of the rifle, in its database as a very strong GOP supporter, gun owner and hunter. Apparently the database was compiled before the 2016 presidential election. 

On a "Gun Warranty Score", Matthew Crooks scored 0.99 out of a max score of 1. 
On a "Hunter Score" he score 0.95 out of 1. 
He was ranked 17th out of 19,320 voters profiled in Bethel Park, PA. 
The database summarized Matthew Crooks as a "Strong GOP" voter. 




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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 3:45pm

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Thou shalt not spread hatred.

Yellow card (as in soccer from me, red was pondered)!



I think Scott said it best. so I'll just let his words to your ride on.
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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 11:33am

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Nearly everything I have been putting up here has been established to be correct in the long run.

They have no idea what that means, or entails. Kiddies so to speak.
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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 11:22am

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This is an especially astonishing post from you. Although you are correct on a few points, you manage to leave everyone shaking their heads. But hey, kudos for finally not buying a conspiracy theory, and somehow being consistent your devotion to a cause and wrongness about everything else. 
 
You and your minions are the purveyors of conspiracy theories not me. 

I am accused of spouting CT's every time I post.

Nearly everything I have been putting up here has been established to be correct in the long run.
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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 10:52am

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 islander wrote:
This is an especially astonishing post from you. Although you are correct on a few points, you manage to leave everyone shaking their heads. But hey, kudos for finally not buying a conspiracy theory, and somehow being consistent your devotion to a cause and wrongness about everything else. 

Thou shalt not spread hatred. Yellow card (as in soccer from me, red was pondered)!
 
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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 10:29am

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This is an especially astonishing post from you. Although you are correct on a few points, you manage to leave everyone shaking their heads. But hey, kudos for finally not buying a conspiracy theory, and somehow being consistent your devotion to a cause and wrongness about everything else. 

Thou shalt not spread hatred.

Yellow card (as in soccer from me, red was pondered)!

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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 10:24am

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He was saved because he went off the teleprompter.  He stated that he was going to go off the teleprompter moments before the shot and asked did anyone have a problem with that.  He got cheers as his answer.

He was turning his head to the right to explain the graphic up on the jumbotron.  The one that showed how illegal border crossings were at an all time low during his administration.

If he was not doing that, the shot would have hit the broadside of his head and he would have been toast.

Again, I was watching the event live when it happened.  You could actually see some debris fly past the back of his head right before he grabbed his ear.  There was a little white mist in the air right behind his head.

It still floors me how anyone could say this was a staged stunt within minutes of it happening.  But the usual suspects gonna do what they do best.  Parrot their lying mainstream newsfeeds.  The ones that have been lying to them for years.


This is an especially astonishing post from you. Although you are correct on a few points, you manage to leave everyone shaking their heads. But hey, kudos for finally not buying a conspiracy theory, and somehow being consistent your devotion to a cause and wrongness about everything else. 
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Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 10:14am

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artifice notwithstanding

Or 'made by man' (or man's fantasy) you could say.
From the outside.
And then there's every being's inside.

"If ye don't see signs and wonders, ye have no belief."

Rephrased, "...you couldn't know the truth."


Don't claim anything only because I said it. ~ Experience the truth yourself instead.
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