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Posted: Jun 26, 2019 - 8:40am

Pretty funny conversation that doesn't go anywhere in particular.


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Posted: Mar 1, 2019 - 12:51pm



 kctomato wrote:


 And Jerry was certainly strung out here. 

Went to shows after 86’  and he did have a renewed sense in a few short years there.  A couple of the new songs were good but most just â€œok” to concession breaks.  But worse were the drunken crowds and narcs. 

Last shows I went to were I think 91’. Jerry was very tired. It was somewhat sad. Still glad I went and more interesting to hear Jerry slowhand and weakly sing a Sugaree than listen to Mayer showboat solo to the Coachella boho’s through one were even the old guys are even wondering if he’s going to transition. 

IMNSHO 
 

He never did quite kick his demons, back and forth over the subsequent years.  I did see a couple of very good vegas shows in 92 or 93.  

As for Mayer, i thought he did a decent job...best post jerry dead-related show i had seen.  
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Posted: Mar 1, 2019 - 12:27pm



 black321 wrote:


 kctomato wrote:
I was there. Closer and slightly to the left.

It was very hot there that day (100°). They had lots of equipment issues. I haven't looked ahead but I recall Bob kicking an amp near the end of the first set and being really pissed.

There was a blown speaker in a cabinet on the left side stack. It was making Phil's bass rasp out on the lower register. So during songs Mama Tried and (especially) Me and My Uncle he uses the upper register to play. In the process he hams it up. It shows in video but what isn't clear is the look of how annoyed he is with the blown speaker. You can see him walking to the left to talk to techs and to listen for it. The crowd was amused by the blown speaker but Phil was shaking his head about it. During Me and My Uncle he just goes with it and hams it up on the upper register. I recall Jerry looking at him like "what the hell?". Around 25:00 someone had climbed the stack trying to find the specific blown speaker. In this recording you can only hear the problem well at about 26:30 when Phil intentionally drops to the lower register and makes the speaker wrasp out bad enough to hear it (and for the tech to find it). The tech unplugged it and issue resolved. Shortly after Bob's equipment started acting up.

Though it was hot, it was nice because the place wasn't sold out. That was just before they really filled most good sized venues (unless on coasts). Shows later in the 80's became frat boy hang outs for drinking too much, looking for acid, not being able to handle either and being asses. At that point I didn't go out of my way to attend shows. It was very evident Jerry was tired and the fun carnival atmosphere was no longer the same.  

  


 
Yeah, the whole touch of grey crowd was a bit much, but i disagree re. jerry and the band.  84 , 85 garcia was a strung out junkie.  late 80s he got some of his life back, like this 87 show from foxboro:




 

And Jerry was certainly strung out here. 

Went to shows after 86’  and he did have a renewed sense in a few short years there.  A couple of the new songs were good but most just â€œok” to concession breaks.  But worse were the drunken crowds and narcs. 

Last shows I went to were I think 91’. Jerry was very tired. It was somewhat sad. Still glad I went and more interesting to hear Jerry slowhand and weakly sing a Sugaree than listen to Mayer showboat solo to the Coachella boho’s through one were even the old guys are even wondering if he’s going to transition. 

IMNSHO 
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Posted: Mar 1, 2019 - 11:55am



 kctomato wrote:
I was there. Closer and slightly to the left.

It was very hot there that day (100°). They had lots of equipment issues. I haven't looked ahead but I recall Bob kicking an amp near the end of the first set and being really pissed.

There was a blown speaker in a cabinet on the left side stack. It was making Phil's bass rasp out on the lower register. So during songs Mama Tried and (especially) Me and My Uncle he uses the upper register to play. In the process he hams it up. It shows in video but what isn't clear is the look of how annoyed he is with the blown speaker. You can see him walking to the left to talk to techs and to listen for it. The crowd was amused by the blown speaker but Phil was shaking his head about it. During Me and My Uncle he just goes with it and hams it up on the upper register. I recall Jerry looking at him like "what the hell?". Around 25:00 someone had climbed the stack trying to find the specific blown speaker. In this recording you can only hear the problem well at about 26:30 when Phil intentionally drops to the lower register and makes the speaker wrasp out bad enough to hear it (and for the tech to find it). The tech unplugged it and issue resolved. Shortly after Bob's equipment started acting up.

Though it was hot, it was nice because the place wasn't sold out. That was just before they really filled most good sized venues (unless on coasts). Shows later in the 80's became frat boy hang outs for drinking too much, looking for acid, not being able to handle either and being asses. At that point I didn't go out of my way to attend shows. It was very evident Jerry was tired and the fun carnival atmosphere was no longer the same.  

  


 
Yeah, the whole touch of grey crowd was a bit much, but i disagree re. jerry and the band.  84 , 85 garcia was a strung out junkie.  late 80s he got some of his life back, like this 87 show from foxboro:




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Posted: Feb 28, 2019 - 5:23pm

I was there. Closer and slightly to the left.

It was very hot there that day (100°). They had lots of equipment issues. I haven't looked ahead but I recall Bob kicking an amp near the end of the first set and being really pissed.

There was a blown speaker in a cabinet on the left side stack. It was making Phil's bass rasp out on the lower register. So during songs Mama Tried and (especially) Me and My Uncle he uses the upper register to play. In the process he hams it up. It shows in video but what isn't clear is the look of how annoyed he is with the blown speaker. You can see him walking to the left to talk to techs and to listen for it. The crowd was amused by the blown speaker but Phil was shaking his head about it. During Me and My Uncle he just goes with it and hams it up on the upper register. I recall Jerry looking at him like "what the hell?". Around 25:00 someone had climbed the stack trying to find the specific blown speaker. In this recording you can only hear the problem well at about 26:30 when Phil intentionally drops to the lower register and makes the speaker wrasp out bad enough to hear it (and for the tech to find it). The tech unplugged it and issue resolved. Shortly after Bob's equipment started acting up.

Though it was hot, it was nice because the place wasn't sold out. That was just before they really filled most good sized venues (unless on coasts). Shows later in the 80's became frat boy hang outs for drinking too much, looking for acid, not being able to handle either and being asses. At that point I didn't go out of my way to attend shows. It was very evident Jerry was tired and the fun carnival atmosphere was no longer the same.  

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My first - and only - Grateful Dead show



 


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Posted: Feb 26, 2019 - 11:05am

Is anyone else going to the Hollywood Bowl show June 3-4?
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Posted: Dec 4, 2018 - 4:55pm

 buddy wrote:

I was at the last Dallas show (next to last of the tour, before Austin, which I was also at) and it was arguably one of the top 2-3 shows of the whole Fall tour last year. They brought the house down.

Meanwhile, I went to the final 2 shows of the 2018 Summer tour at Folsom and they were utterly mind-blowing.  Can't lose either way.

 
I wish we could afford to go!
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Posted: Nov 29, 2018 - 7:26pm

 buddy wrote:
  

Dead & Company - Folsom Field, Boulder - July 5-6, 2019.  Tix on sale Tuesday Dec 4th.

 

Dallas is closer...
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Posted: Nov 29, 2018 - 6:00pm

My first - and only - Grateful Dead show


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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 - 10:25am

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I LOVE THIS



 
Me too!
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 - 7:34am

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Just another reason to love Philly 

(the guy in the back looks like a celebrity I should know but name escapes me who it looks like ) 

 

I LOVE THIS


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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 8:25pm



Just another reason to love Philly 

(the guy in the back looks like a celebrity I should know but name escapes me who it looks like ) 


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Posted: Oct 9, 2017 - 6:53am

 

The Dead played He's Gone 4 days after JL's assassination in 1980.....


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Posted: Aug 28, 2017 - 4:49am

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Hot rumor in Denver this week:  Dead & Company will play a Thaksgiving show at 1st Bank Center near Boulder! Hope that deal goes down!

Supposedly will hear later this week... 

 
Thaks.
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Posted: May 25, 2017 - 1:52pm

My First Dead show- Debut of the Wall of Sound. March 23rd, 1974- Cow Palace
Thanks big Brother Dave (rip)

all 30 live recorded songs:  https://archive.org/details/gd1974-03-23.sbd.clugston-orf.1995.sbeok.shnf/gd74-3-23Newd1t02.shn

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Posted: May 25, 2017 - 1:35pm

 

my first concert ever


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Posted: May 25, 2017 - 1:21pm

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 My first and regrettably only dead show - check out the opening acts.

 Click here if they won't let me hot link

 

 
LOL check out the ticket prices. You are much older than I am.
Never got to see the Beach Boys, Stawbs or TYA


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Posted: May 24, 2017 - 5:31pm

 skyguy wrote:
My first dead show-check out the opening acts!

 
 My first and regrettably only dead show - check out the opening acts.

 Click here if they won't let me hot link

 
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Posted: May 24, 2017 - 3:30pm

My first dead show-check out the opening acts!
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Posted: May 24, 2017 - 10:51am

Bit of an over the top article on the new dead doc, with way too many big words...and i take issue with the comment about the lyric being consumed with death and dread, and no love songs.  They did have songs of death and regret...but so much more...including some very good love songs. 

The Dead: Smothered by Love

Amir Bar-Lev’s ‘Long Strange Trip’ tells how a group for whom stardom seemed anathema got swallowed up by it.


There aren’t many acts in American music that warrant a four-hour, flashbacking, less-than-linear biopic, especially one as wry, ironic and sad as “Long Strange Trip.” But Amir Bar-Lev’s documentary on the Grateful Dead is an epic, and one that should not be dismissed by eye-rolling millennials as just another reverie about someone else’s youth, or another solemn bout of baby boomer navel-gazing. Yes, the film harks back to the ’60s. Whether it’s the 1960s or 1860s is an open question.

Fanaticism, the source of “fan,” is as American as apple pie; from the Civil War to the Vietnam era, and all the untidy moments in between, Americans have always been vulnerable to spiritual, social, political and even musical obsessions. And weird fixations. And dubious causes. The fundamentalist impulse is almost a default mechanism. Anyone familiar with the Know-Nothing Party, early 20th-century Pentecostalism, the Temperance Movement or the late-20th-century Deadhead is familiar with the American capacity for unblinking, militant belief.

The Grateful Dead fans’ worldview won’t be undermined by Mr. Bar-Lev. Far from it. The history is well told. The music is occasionally sublime. The interviews are insightful and, now and then, unnerving: The demise of Jerry Garcia, who died in 1995 at age 53, is told in stark, depressing detail. Mr. Bar-Lev is certainly a fan but has enough distance to separate the musicians and their music—an amalgam of folk, rock, bluegrass, ragas, ragtime, country and the kind of old blues recordings made by men who may actually have been insane—from the movement of fanatics who followed them around for years on end. His approach mirrors, without apery or mockery, the free-form aesthetic the Dead tried to capture on stage on so many nights, and he creates a sincere tribute to a group for whom the whole idea of celebrity/immortality once seemed anathema. And who got swallowed up by stardom just the same.

Mickey Hart, Bob Weir and Jerry Garcia in 1977 Photo: Peter Simon/Amazon

As such a case study in incongruity, the Dead story makes a good subject for Mr. Bar-Lev, who has produced several other very thoughtful documentaries that make profound statements, sometimes sideways: “The Tillman Story” (2010), for instance, was about the friendly-fire death of the patriotic Pat Tillman and the paradoxical aspects of that case; “Happy Valley” (2014) was about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky, but also confronted the moral blindness of Penn State football fans.

These films are about hypocrisy, in a certain sense. But they’re more about the incompatibility of reality with certain deeply held beliefs. And how, for the faithful, it never really matters.

What did Deadheads believe about the Grateful Dead? That the rambling jams the band embarked on, night after night, were close to holy; that the followers and the followed were all in it together; that the Dead were the world’s greatest band, never mind that none of them could really sing and their playing was wildly erratic. (It should be said that Jerry Garcia, the bearded, charismatic lead guitarist and centerpiece, had a warmly distinctive voice, and that “erratic” was part of the brand.) How the band saw their fans and their fame—and how they should sensibly be seen—is something Mr. Bar-Lev makes uncharacteristically obvious in his use of clips from “Bride of Frankenstein” (1935) and “Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein” (1948), favorites of Garcia’s. Yes, “Long Strange Trip”—which begins a limited theatrical release Friday and will be available on Amazon Prime on June 2—is a monster movie. The first line of the film, in fact, is from Boris Karloff, as Frankenstein’s unhappy Monster (and muttering, “I love dead…”).

You laugh, but “Long Strange Trip” is much more tragedy than it is comedy. Over the band’s 35-year history, four of its keyboard players died prematurely; one, Vince Welnick, cut his own throat. As critic Nick Paumgarten of the New Yorker notes in the film, there was a subtext of death and dread in much of Garcia’s work, specifically the stuff written with lyricist Robert Hunter. The Dead did not sing love songs. The topics were often a little gothic, a little mad, a little evocative of Thomas Hart Benton, or Appalachian gothic, or Philip Roth’s indigenous American berserk.

Donna Jean Godchaux, Jerry Garcia and Bill Kreutzmann in 1978 Photo: Adrian Boot/Amazon Prime Video

The creator most painfully consumed by the monster was Garcia. Reportedly, Mr. Bar-Lev was encouraged by the surviving band members (who continue to perform in various incarnations) to include more about the post-Jerry band. But the movie becomes more and more focused on Garcia, whose presence on stage late in the game—his once-piratical black beard almost luminously white, his skin ashen, his posture crumbling—is like a nightlight during a ghost story, a story about an otherworldly brand of fame that couldn’t be outrun and which smothered the group artistically. Smothered it, in fact, with love.

It wasn’t as if they didn’t push their music forward, night after night. They did. It just didn’t matter: The Dead, for its fans, had moved beyond criticism and Garcia, perhaps alone, seems to have fully known this. As the film explains, he really wanted to reduce his touring obligations in the early ’90s. But he was too central to an operation with an extensive payroll; he had too many people dependent on him to stop. So he waited to be stopped. And he was.

Mr. Anderson is a critic in New York.

Appeared in the May. 23, 2017, print edition
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