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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 11:33am

 Beaker wrote:

Am looking forward to the colourful commentary here when Hunter Biden goes to trial.



I am not voting for that guy for sure.
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 11:31am

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To avoid the need for correction... Baron was born in March of 2006, and the golf tournament where Stormy says they had sex was in July of 2006.  Beyond Stormy, it's also notable that his then "full-time" side piece, playmate Karen McDougal, has testified that she had sex with him the following night.

It's easy to see why the evangelicals stand behind him.

Am looking forward to the colourful commentary here when Hunter Biden goes to trial.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 11:27am

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... Of course if we want to follow the reductionist line further, he could have just avoided sleeping with the porn star while his wife was pregnant, and then there would be nothing to cover up (this was a strategy that Obama used, so Trump was reluctant to do the same thing).  ...

To avoid the need for correction... Baron was born in March of 2006, and the golf tournament where Stormy says they had sex was in July of 2006.  Beyond Stormy, it's also notable that his then "full-time" side piece, playmate Karen McDougal, has testified that she had sex with him the following night.

It's easy to see why the evangelicals stand behind him.
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 10:42am

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I can't remember who said this amusing thing but some long-time colleague said if you ask him what time it is, he'll lie, just to keep in practice. 

The time has come . . . Today!

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 10:39am

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I hesitate to comment on the Carroll cases and this discussion about them, but I do want to make one point that also applies to the Stormy Daniels “hush money” case.

Trump’s instinct when challenged/accused is to deny, deny, deny. His instinct is to lie. In a legal case, in the court room, that, not surprisingly, typically gets you in trouble. This also is true when you lie about things you could admit or concede without damaging your case. It snowballs.  In the Carroll case, Trump did not just deny the alleged sexual assault, he denied even knowing Carroll. In the Stormy Daniels case, his lawyers denied Trump had sex with Stormy even though it was consensual and the admission of which was irrelevant to the offense charged. In sum, Trump lies way beyond what is necessary, and that makes it easier to trip him up. That is why lawyers would not want to put him on the stand as a witness. It also can make the testimony of those accusing him more credible than might otherwise be the case because he unnecessarily portrays them as lying about everything. 



I can't remember who said this amusing thing but some long-time colleague said if you ask him what time it is, he'll lie, just to keep in practice. 
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 10:32am

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ehhh...again, entering an NDA wasn't illegal (I havent seen one thing written that stated the payment was illegal)...but how he did it was.
back to my point on trump (and the clintons)...the cover up was what got them in trouble. 



Yes, it would have been perfectly legal had he just spent his own money directly. But he feared that some one would find out (and he also likely wanted to claim it as an expense for tax reasons). But he didn't do that. His greed and hubris put him in a situation where he did something illegal. The evidence was found, shown to a jury (several) and he was found guilty.  

Of course if we want to follow the reductionist line further, he could have just avoided sleeping with the porn star while his wife was pregnant, and then there would be nothing to cover up (this was a strategy that Obama used, so Trump was reluctant to do the same thing).  

He could have also just retired happily on his pile of doubloons in the early 2000s and spent his golden years on a beach getting a real tan.  But apparently he has some inner demons that need to be fed, so we all must suffer along. 
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 10:01am

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What I said about the Carroll matter is that it is a "she said, he said" thing. Nothing was proven. The time it happened was even vague on her own recollection. Carroll is a known player in the rich and famous circles and has even been quoted as saying that rape is sexy. According to her, she invited Trump into a dressing room in a lingerie section of a very upscale department store. Sounds like some kinda deal like the Mile High Club. Another fantasy to check off the list. Maybe it didn't quite go the way she wanted it to. Like, not enough foreplay ? Pissed her off. Anyway, Ms Carroll is not naive nor the picture of innocence as you seem to insist that she is. I see it as a case of someone trying to cash in on the "me, too" movement and nothing else. And did she. Trump paid her a lot of money. Serious life changing money. Not enough in your view ? You want more out of him ? It is between Trump and Carroll, you are not part of the equation other than another gawker rubber necking as the rich and famous do their Gatsby thing. You're just jealous of that world.


I hesitate to comment on the Carroll cases and this discussion about them, but I do want to make one point that also applies to the Stormy Daniels “hush money” case.

Trump’s instinct when challenged/accused is to deny, deny, deny. His instinct is to lie. In a legal case, in the court room, that, not surprisingly, typically gets you in trouble. This also is true when you lie about things you could admit or concede without damaging your case. It snowballs.  In the Carroll case, Trump did not just deny the alleged sexual assault, he denied even knowing Carroll. In the Stormy Daniels case, his lawyers denied Trump had sex with Stormy even though it was consensual and the admission of which was irrelevant to the offense charged. In sum, Trump lies way beyond what is necessary, and that makes it easier to trip him up. That is why lawyers would not want to put him on the stand as a witness. It also can make the testimony of those accusing him more credible than might otherwise be the case because he unnecessarily portrays them as lying about everything. 

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 9:40am

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Context matters. If you paint your garage, it's perfectly legal. If you steal paint to cover up blood splatter from the murder that you committed paint your garage, then there are other considerations. Is it okay to pay off a witness who might testify against you?  Trumps reimbursement of Cohen was part of a larger coordinated effort to suppress negative news stories. It's all interconnected and all illegal. Several different sets of jurors have reviewed the evidence and agreed.


ehhh...again, entering an NDA wasn't illegal (I havent seen one thing written that stated the payment was illegal)...but how he did it was.
back to my point on trump (and the clintons)...the cover up was what got them in trouble. 

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 9:12am

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from what i can gather ...the payoff wasn't illegal, but the funding (Cohen) and accounting for the payoff was illegal...and regardless of the timing, was (somehow) tied to election interference. 
Cohen was found guilty of making an illegal "campaign contribution" in the form of the payment. Then Trump went to reimburse Cohen in 2017, but the accounting was fraudulent...so I suppose the timing is irrelevant. 
Trumps "felony" conviction seems pretty wishy washy, and apparently relied on a complex interplay of laws that really were never tested before. 
Not sure if the latter means anything?

I find the whole case rather interesting... as it seems to be the most benign of all trumps cases, yet I will bet this is the only one he is found guilty of. Kinda like a gangster convicted of mail fraud. Also bet he will win in Nov....for me that's like betting against my NY Rangers, who just lost the eastern conference 



Context matters. If you paint your garage, it's perfectly legal. If you steal paint to cover up blood splatter from the murder that you committed paint your garage, then there are other considerations. Is it okay to pay off a witness who might testify against you?  Trumps reimbursement of Cohen was part of a larger coordinated effort to suppress negative news stories. It's all interconnected and all illegal. Several different sets of jurors have reviewed the evidence and agreed.
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 8:26am

Clinton campaign, DNC fined by FEC for lying about Steele dossier payments

Published March 30, 2022

The Clinton campaign and the DNC paid more than $1 million combined to powerful Democratic law firm Perkins Coie, which engaged Fusion GPS to dig for dirt on Trump. Fusion GPS, in turn, hired former British spy Christopher Steele — whose namesake dossier included allegations that Russian security services possessed a tape of Trump in a Moscow hotel room with prostitutes who were supposedly urinating on a bed where the Obamas had previously stayed.

The FEC said Clinton and the DNC claimed the money given to Perkins Coie to hire Fusion GPS was reported on disclosure forms as having gone toward “legal advice and services” rather than opposition research.

The commission ruled it had found probable cause that both the Clinton campaign and the DNC had violated election law by not being “sufficiently specific” about the purpose of the payments and not including detailed information about Fusion GPS in the disclosure forms.

Yet the FEC investigated Trump for the NDA and passed.  As did other agencies.

Clearly unequal justice in the light of things.  Intent was clearly the biggest part of Clinton's plans which she undertook as a resident of New York ...

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 8:14am

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I don't know the details of the arguments at trial. But if Trump had Cohen pay her off before the election as part of election interference and to maintain hands off until after the election, then it is still election interference, correct? Even if the actual transfer of money and illegal bookkeeping happened after. 



from what i can gather ...the payoff wasn't illegal, but the funding (Cohen) and accounting for the payoff was illegal...and regardless of the timing, was (somehow) tied to election interference. 
Cohen was found guilty of making an illegal "campaign contribution" in the form of the payment. Then Trump went to reimburse Cohen in 2017, but the accounting was fraudulent...so I suppose the timing is irrelevant. 
Trumps "felony" conviction seems pretty wishy washy, and apparently relied on a complex interplay of laws that really were never tested before. 
Not sure if the latter means anything?

I find the whole case rather interesting... as it seems to be the most benign of all trumps cases, yet I will bet this is the only one he is found guilty of. Kinda like a gangster convicted of mail fraud. Also bet he will win in Nov....for me that's like betting against my NY Rangers, who just lost the eastern conference 
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 6:59am

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Yes, but the whole thing isn't hard to grasp. Cohen paid Daniels (campaign finance violations/election interference) at the behest of trump and Pecker (conspiracy). Trump repaid Cohen (same crimes), but tried to hide what the payments were for (misdemeanor falsifying business records, but escalated to felony because it was done in commission of another crime(s)).  This has been through several sets of jurors and grand jurors, and everyone of those has found the evidence compelling.


succinct explanation!!
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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 6:45am

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... Yeah, the pandemic.  You chose to ignore the pre pandemic economy.  ...

You pivot on everything, which is nothing new.

Trump may not be a rapist by definition, but he's a sexual predator at best.  Keep defending him... it says more about you than him.

As for the border.  Trump did nothing, and you pretzel yourself into some sort of "well a 5,000 limit in the law is worse than no limit without a law" logic.  OK.  The proposal over the winter was written by Republicans, supported by Republicans, and killed because Trump was more worried about a political win than immigration.  If he wins, he could always do more... he's got an amazing plan for that I'm sure.

As for the economy, he inherited everything in his pre-pandemic economy from Obama.  His tax plan has proven to be a money-grab for the wealthy, and any "success" in Trump's numbers needs to be balanced with the over $8 Trillion deficit he created in 4 years.  That means he "borrowed" $6k per person, per year, for the 4 years he was in office.  You don't need to worry about that...you'll be dead before it's paid... but paying you isn't "saving America" or "Making it Great Again"... it's typical Trump using others' money to get rich, now we just need to wait for the bankruptcy (his preferred exit from businesses).

You talk about the "pre-pandemic" like we should ignore it so we can return to Trump's amazing economic opportunity, but that's just silly.  The pandemic happened, and because he was so tragically incapable of managing anything during that year, he lost to a feeble, slow, generally well-meaning if not often overly effective Biden.  Now, you want to blame inflation on Biden, when it's hard to imagine anyone overseeing a better result from the past 4 years.  The benefit to Trump is that he wasn't around to increase all of the errors he made in 2020.  Take the ERC program...which has proven to be overrun with fraud.  All of that cash was spent after Trump left office.  Blame Bidenomics... it happened during his Presidency.  That position is somewhere between dishonest and just plain stupid.  Which are you?

Every conversation with you is a series of cherry-picked data points, carefully curated by Fox News and the right to defend a lying, grifting, narcissistic predator.  He's not speaking for you...he's playing you. Fox is using you.  They are using your frustration to advance themselves, and in turn, have corrupted an entire party who are afraid of you.  They ignore facts and reality out of self-preservation... because that's what you respond to.   Watch any Trump rally interview... and after you get past the anger, none of the responses are based on fact or logic... it's all emotion.  You may think you're being considerate, but you're not.  You're being played.  You're the 30% of Brits who still think Brexit was a good idea.  

If you want to see the divide, Ted Koppel, the guy from the National Park Service, and I have no idea why you can't see the facts.  You're on the wrong side of history.  You aren't saving anything, you just feel better about yourself for being part of a group, regardless of how lost or clueless that group is.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2024 - 6:26am

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Anyway, Ms Carroll is not naive nor the picture of innocence as you seem to insist that she is. I see it as a case of someone trying to cash in on the "me, too" movement and nothing else. And did she. Trump paid her a lot of money. Serious life changing money.

Trump hasn't paid Carroll anything yet - he's going to appeal the verdicts.  Per Grok:

"As of the latest information available, Donald Trump has taken steps to address the judgment awarded to E. Jean Carroll. In March 2024, Trump secured a $91.6 million bond to cover the money he owes to E. Jean Carroll in a defamation lawsuit while he appeals the jury's verdict. This bond was posted to ensure that Carroll can collect the judgment if it remains intact following appeals. The bond was approved by a federal judge, insulating Trump from any effort to collect the judgment while he appeals the verdict."

Trump is appealing the rape verdict along with the earlier verdict where Carroll was awarded $5M for defamation. 


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Posted: Jun 2, 2024 - 11:17pm

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Nobody ever argues innocent.  When I asked Kurt that below he just ignored and it moves on to defend the "non-raping" assaulter as if somehow "we've got it all wrong" because he used his fingers instead of his penis.  
 
Yeah, go Dr Ruth.  How about some pictures ?  Your fascination with the methods is very disturbing.  I don't care if it was his fingers, his penis or a cigar.  It's all the same to me.

What I said about the Carroll matter is that it is a "she said, he said" thing.  Nothing was proven.  The time it happened was even vague on her own recollection.  Carroll is a known player in the rich and famous circles and has even been quoted as saying that rape is sexy.  According to her, she invited Trump into a dressing room in a lingerie section of a very upscale department store.  Sounds like some kinda deal like the Mile High Club.  Another fantasy to check off the list.  Maybe it didn't quite go the way she wanted it to.  Like, not enough foreplay ?  Pissed her off.  Anyway, Ms Carroll is not naive nor the picture of innocence as you seem to insist that she is.  I see it as a case of someone trying to cash in on the "me, too" movement and nothing else.  And did she. Trump paid her a lot of money. Serious life changing money.   Not enough in your view ? You want more out of him ?  It is between Trump and Carroll, you are not part of the equation other than another gawker rubber necking as the rich and famous do their Gatsby thing.  You're just jealous of that world.

 

Selfish. Greedy. Stupid.  All Trump supporters have a least one of those traits.  Some have more.  Somehow, they believe Trump is going to fix things he never fixed the first time.  The border... he stopped a bill and Kurt argues that it isn't perfect...doesn't do enough.  Either he's truly stupid, or he's just arguing to avoid giving anyone but Trump credit for incremental improvement.  
 
Yep, The border bill.  Bad, bad law.  It would have codified into law the legal admission of 5,000 illegal crossings per day.  There was a HB 2 sent to the Senate pretty much in the beginning that never even got a look see.  A much more comprehensive solution.  Rather than pass another bad law on top of so many bad laws already not being enforced., waiting for a better solution makes the most sense.  Biden can undo everything he did to Trump's actions and restore control immediately without Congress acting.  He chose's not to.  What make you so sure he will enforce new laws ?

 
Trump is the first President in modern history to leave office with fewer jobs than he entered.  Economic growth under Trump was the slowest since 1946.  Unemployment when Trump left office was 6.3%... up 1.6%.  The labor force participation rate was the lowest since 1948. He added over $8T in debt, and his tax cuts have proven to be a gift to the top 1%.  There is nothing in those numbers to 'long for".

So the rebuttal... the pandemic.  If you give Trump a pass for it, then any suggestion that Biden is responsible for inflation is foolish.  Financially, we are in the best position of any major country in the world right now.  The question isn't "Were you better off in 2019"...everyone was.  The question isn't "Are prices too high"... they are everywhere.  
 
Yeah, the pandemic.  You chose to ignore the pre pandemic economy.  The first three years of his term.  He accomplished the lowest overall unemployment rate in decades and the lowest ever for all minorities that are tracked. A constantly rising labor participation number. There was real wage growth for the lower classes for the first time in decades.  The % wage growth for them exceeded the upper classes.  A direct result of his tax cuts. and other fiscal policies.  Yet you use the pandemic numbers exclusively to judge his accomplishments.  If anything the pandemic is just as worthy for an asterisk as is the use of steroids in baseball. You do finances for a living, right ?  I wouldn't trust you to balance my checkbook.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2024 - 6:09pm

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I interpreted Black's idea as being that the actual payment to Cohen by Trump didn't take place until after the election so that the illegal payments couldn't elevate the crimes to felonies. If not, I'm not sure what they're on about.


Yes, but the whole thing isn't hard to grasp. Cohen paid Daniels (campaign finance violations/election interference) at the behest of trump and Pecker (conspiracy). Trump repaid Cohen (same crimes), but tried to hide what the payments were for (misdemeanor falsifying business records, but escalated to felony because it was done in commission of another crime(s)).  This has been through several sets of jurors and grand jurors, and everyone of those has found the evidence compelling.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2024 - 5:43pm

 islander wrote:


It's the same crime. Cohen already went to jail.  Remember unindicted co-conspirator #1?


I interpreted Black's idea as being that the actual payment to Cohen by Trump didn't take place until after the election so that the illegal payments couldn't elevate the crimes to felonies. If not, I'm not sure what they're on about.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2024 - 4:37pm

 haresfur wrote:

I don't know the details of the arguments at trial. But if Trump had Cohen pay her off before the election as part of election interference and to maintain hands off until after the election, then it is still election interference, correct? Even if the actual transfer of money and illegal bookkeeping happened after. 



It's the same crime. Cohen already went to jail.  Remember unindicted co-conspirator #1?
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