Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jan 29, 2017 - 2:46pm
haresfur wrote:
If there is a limit on number of refugees accepted, I actually don't mind factoring religion as one of the threats that affect the prioritization. It is complicated though, The Washington Post indicated that Lebanon is encouraging Christians to stay there to preserve their presence in the middle east.
i am wondering whether all Muslims (Islam) will be considered to be one religion for the purpose of the executive order. If one is a Sunni in a Shiite-dominated country, does that person qualify for a refugee preference?
That, and making sure they answer "Christian" when asked what mythology they subscribe to.
If there is a limit on number of refugees accepted, I actually don't mind factoring religion as one of the threats that affect the prioritization. It is complicated though, The Washington Post indicated that Lebanon is encouraging Christians to stay there to preserve their presence in the middle east.
I keep asking this question. What does Extreme Vetting mean? How is it different from the rigorous screening process currently in place? Who does it? What assets do they have available? Where does the information come from? Who pays for it? Wouldn't that require legislation?
During the campaign, in a speech in Youngstown, Ohio, Trump called for “extreme, extreme vetting.” He said the extreme vetting would be designed to keep out anyone who does not share “American values” and who is not prepared to “embrace a tolerant American society.”
Trump said that until such a test is in place, America should suspend immigration from Muslim countries.
Good question. Maybe waterboarding anyone seeking asylum?
That is exactly what I voted for. People who are not afraid to be honest and tell the truth about the big picture. I would love to see the entire unedited interviews, but I can already fill in the blanks and know the context that these things were said in.
The first states the goal. The current political establishment must go. The second states the reality for what comes if we continue with the establishment kicking the can down the road till it hits the metaphorical wall and the riots start. Not saying he wants it, just stating the obvious truth, in a straight forward way.
Yeah, Trump is a bully. He's making everyone eat their metaphorical vegetables.
Did you vote for Steve Bannon getting placed on the National Security Council as a principal, while the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence now only get to show up at NSC meetings when someone (?) thinks they might have something relevant to say? I ask this question because Trumpers did promise to make us safer from his vision of violence and carnage and I'm pretty sure Steve-o isn't going to help with that.
You might want to see the political establishment blown up, but the rest of us would like to have our skin remain intact.
NoEnzLefttoSplit makes a very good point. All these temper tantrums from the hard right about draining the swamp and changing the status quo are not only childish but dangerous if there's no credible or even coherent plan for substitutes. Trump likely isn't an anarchist but his lack of planning ahead makes me wonder.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jan 29, 2017 - 1:54pm
kurtster wrote:
That is exactly what I voted for. People who are not afraid to be honest and tell the truth about the big picture. I would love to see the entire unedited interviews, but I can already fill in the blanks and know the context that these things were said in.
The first states the goal. The current political establishment must go. The second states the reality for what comes if we continue with the establishment kicking the can down the road till it hits the metaphorical wall and the riots start. Not saying he wants it, just stating the obvious truth, in a straight forward way.
Yeah, Trump is a bully. He's making everyone eat their metaphorical vegetables.
maybe they are good at blowing it up. Are they able to build something better? Sort of like the difference between leading the revolution and then having to govern. an example: for 6-7 years now, we have heard many conservatives and Republicans state that the ACA has to be repealed. Now that it appears they have the power to repeal it, it appears that they do not yet have a replacement system ready to go; heck, it appears they do not even have agreement on a concept for replacement.
That is exactly what I voted for. People who are not afraid to be honest and tell the truth about the big picture. I would love to see the entire unedited interviews, but I can already fill in the blanks and know the context that these things were said in.
The first states the goal. The current political establishment must go. The second states the reality for what comes if we continue with the establishment kicking the can down the road till it hits the metaphorical wall and the riots start. Not saying he wants it, just stating the obvious truth, in a straight forward way.
Yeah, Trump is a bully. He's making everyone eat their metaphorical vegetables.
I'm going to refrain from any one of a number of knee-jerk responses I have to this. Instead of that, I'll ask you a question. If this is what you voted for, what is your goal after achieving this destruction, presuming it succeeds.. What are your end goals after dismantling the state?
I keep asking this question. What does Extreme Vetting mean? How is it different from the rigorous screening process currently in place? Who does it? What assets do they have available? Where does the information come from? Who pays for it? Wouldn't that require legislation?
During the campaign, in a speech in Youngstown, Ohio, Trump called for “extreme, extreme vetting.” He said the extreme vetting would be designed to keep out anyone who does not share “American values” and who is not prepared to “embrace a tolerant American society.”
Trump said that until such a test is in place, America should suspend immigration from Muslim countries.
And so here we are.
Now what are "American values?"
Be specific. Tell me what American values are. Give me a list. A list that applies to every American. One we all agree on.
Come now, this should be easy. This is the basis of the whole damned thing. So, tell me, who decides what is American and what isn't? And what is it that makes up an American? Give me a specific list, point by point. Show your work.
Now — NOW — once you have that list, you tell me how to TEST each potential immigrant for those values.
What?
No. I'm dead serious. You tell me how you test a human being for ... what? Love of baseball, mom, and Apple Pie? Tolerance? Patriotism?
Tell me how you do that.
Please, by all means you tell me how to do that. BE SPECIFIC.
And while you're at it, show me how your tests are different, better, more effective, than what we currently have in place. Where does the information come from? What assets do the Chekas have at their disposal? How will they be trained, the Chekas? Who pays for it? Does this new system of Extreme Vetting require legislation? If not? WHY not?
These questions seem to me not unreasonable.
They should be put to President Trump and his Administration by the Press and hammered hard until the citizens of the United States get some goddamned answers.
That is exactly what I voted for. People who are not afraid to be honest and tell the truth about the big picture. I would love to see the entire unedited interviews, but I can already fill in the blanks and know the context that these things were said in.
The first states the goal. The current political establishment must go. The second states the reality for what comes if we continue with the establishment kicking the can down the road till it hits the metaphorical wall and the riots start. Not saying he wants it, just stating the obvious truth, in a straight forward way.
Yeah, Trump is a bully. He's making everyone eat their metaphorical vegetables.
There is a lot of anger out there. It was stirred up on the campaign trail and the winner of the election has done nothing to tamp it down. Winning presidential candidates are supposed to unite, right? The current president has done nothing but rend greater, deeper divisions. He does not want to appear to be the president of all Americans, only those who voted for him.
I think he is an extremely dangerous man. His non-qualification for command makes him reliant on those he trusts, specifically a known bomb-thrower and agent provacateur. Bannon is pulling the strings now, and appallingly, he has been rewarded with a seat on the National Security Council. He has zero business there, and if I were the intelligence community, I would be looking at filtering the results presented in that forum.
The president, meanwhile, is obsessed with trivial and superficial matters, and leaves him unprepared to deal with substantive issues and crises. There will be a crisis, guaranteed, some time in the next year, and the world will then see how prepared he is.
The president has a lot to answer for, and he refuses to do so. Until he does, expect the anger to get worse.
Does it really matter anymore ? Being nice gets nothing but more kicks in the ass.
guess it is all a question of what sort of person you want to see yourself as. you are the sole arbiter of that. Ain't got anything to do with any of us.
