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Posted: Jul 27, 2016 - 1:25pm

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With a state run media that dominates, it is all pro Trump all the time, even more then Fox news.Most the Russian people thinks the world loves them. 

 
Trump thinks the same thing of himself. Oh and he loves Putin too: he asked Putin to spy on the US. Apparently he now admits Russia hacked the DNC's servers and has no problem with that. 

Trump is practically begging to jump into bed with Putin. 

Donald Trump Calls on Russia to Find Hillary Clinton’s Missing Emails



DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially encouraging an adversarial foreign power to cyberspy on a secretary of state’s correspondence.

 “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
 
Mr. Trump’s call was an extraordinary moment at a time when Russia is being accused of meddling in the United States’ presidential election. His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which American intelligence agencies have told the White House they have “high confidence” was the work of the Russian government.

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Posted: Jul 27, 2016 - 1:06pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

that's taking it a bit too far.
 
The US is and always was a bit further down the road than everyone else. In the past that automatically meant "better" but now the future painted by the US just seems scary. There is this huge disconnect between the image portrayed and the substance behind it. As though the substance no longer matters. There is a pervasive malaise affecting society underlying this trend and I am afraid it is pretty universal, and not just limited to the US. We are all more or less living in the vacuity created by the virtual mirrors we arrange around us. I've got no other explanation for it. It has come to the point when reality TV stars can throw all reference to the truth out the window, spout inane soundbites and get taken seriously to the point of being serious contenders for the highest office in the country. Like, wtf?? I mean, seriously, I never ever could have envisaged 20 years ago I would be warning right-wing Americans about the threat posed by an ex-KGB despotic ruler of Russia who appears about to win undue influence over the US, simply by buying out its potential next president. Crikey, where's MacArthur when you really need him? Now that is something I would never ever thought I would say.  Jeepers, you don't need a military if you can renege on your ideals so easily, just open the door and show them the fridge. Let the red army in and let them take control. 

 
Well said.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2016 - 1:01pm

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I just took a quick trip to Europe and it started to seem clear that America is basically North Korea.
We think we're the best; the media and politicians insist it's true. But, really, we're only important to others because we're giant meddlesome bullies.
But we don't do food, infrastructure, innovation, politics, healthcare, or freedom better than everyone else. 

 
that's taking it a bit too far.
 
The US is and always was a bit further down the road than everyone else. In the past that automatically meant "better" but now the future painted by the US just seems scary. There is this huge disconnect between the image portrayed and the substance behind it. As though the substance no longer matters. There is a pervasive malaise affecting society underlying this trend and I am afraid it is pretty universal, and not just limited to the US. We are all more or less living in the vacuity created by the virtual mirrors we arrange around us. I've got no other explanation for it. It has come to the point when reality TV stars can throw all reference to the truth out the window, spout inane soundbites and get taken seriously to the point of being serious contenders for the highest office in the country. Like, wtf?? I mean, seriously, I never ever could have envisaged 20 years ago I would be warning right-wing Americans about the threat posed by an ex-KGB despotic ruler of Russia who appears about to win undue influence over the US, simply by buying out its potential next president. Crikey, where's MacArthur when you really need him? Now that is something I would never ever thought I would say.  Jeepers, you don't need a military if you can renege on your ideals so easily, just open the door and show them the fridge. Let the red army in and let them take control. 
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Posted: Jul 27, 2016 - 12:26pm

 marko86 wrote:


With a state run media that dominates, it is all pro Trump all the time, even more then Fox news.Most the Russian people thinks the world loves them. 

 
I just took a quick trip to Europe and it started to seem clear that America is basically North Korea.
We think we're the best; the media and politicians insist it's true. But, really, we're only important to others because we're giant meddlesome bullies.
But we don't do food, infrastructure, innovation, politics, healthcare, or freedom better than everyone else. 
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Posted: Jul 27, 2016 - 4:26am

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Did he say why? My vibe was that the entire rest of the world does not favor him....so I'd like to hear what the attraction is for them.



 

With a state run media that dominates, it is all pro Trump all the time, even more then Fox news.Most the Russian people thinks the world loves them. 
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Posted: Jul 26, 2016 - 8:51am

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My friend just returned from an extended visit to Russia.
He said that the people he saw there were hoping for a Trump victory in November. {#Fire}

 
 

Did he say why? My vibe was that the entire rest of the world does not favor him....so I'd like to hear what the attraction is for them.




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Posted: Jul 26, 2016 - 8:44am

 kurtster wrote:
I'll break my moratorium on communicating with you long enough to say this to you.

 
 kurtster previously wrote:
With that and Beaker's advice, I bid you adieu.

Less than a week? 

David Gates was right: Goodbye doesn't last forever.

{#Wink} 
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 2:46pm

My friend just returned from an extended visit to Russia.
He said that the people he saw there were hoping for a Trump victory in November. {#Fire}
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 2:23pm

 aflanigan wrote:

Wondering how thorough your stab at googling what is obvious to most financial reporters was.

Is WSJ nonliberal enough for you?

See also HERE

The latter article makes it clear that while Trump was flavor of the month for wall street banks back when he was leveraging his supposed worth using the real estate bubble, they have lately soured on him as a client.

Finally from Crain's

  
I'll break my moratorium on communicating with you long enough to say this to you.

You did not read my words.  I said I googled the repeated statement,  Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.  That's rather strong stuff and very precise in wording.  My findings were as posted ... 

 kurtster wrote:
  I could find absolutely no support for this claim in the articles cited as proof.  Funny, I did find this ultra liberal blog which cites Mr. Marshall's unsubstantiated claim as support for their slam on Trump by searching the quote.  Nothing else came back to the quote in any relateable way.  

  
Now with the articles listed by you, none and I repeat none said that they were absolutely, positively refusing to do business with Trump, which is what the term Blackballed usually means.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  They (your articles) all say that the nature of Trumps businesses have changed and that Trump is no longer seeking their services for a variety of reasons.  As seen below, lukewarm is a whole different thing from blackballed.  It seems according to your articles that Trump has chosen to seek different means for funding, rather than having been rejected by the big banks as you and your new friend Mr Marshall would like us all to think.

You failed to make it stick.

What I do like is this from one of your articles in the WSJ ...

The lukewarm relations with banks is one reason Mr. Trump’s White House bid hasn’t received much financial support from Wall Street, bankers and fund managers say. The securities and investment industry, which includes Wall Street firms, has donated roughly $19 million toward the campaign of Hillary Clinton, so far, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Mr. Trump, who is largely self-funded, has received $17,255.

Now who loves Hillary again ?  She's gonna take on the big banks, right ?  Riiiiiight.  Your article, your facts.  {#Roflol}

And what of the whole Putin / Trump email bromance theory alleged by the author of the article, Mr Marshall ?

You don't have to reply, cuz I'm going back to abstaining from engagements with you, since this one failed to stand up to scrutiny.

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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 2:13pm

 Steely_D wrote:

It's a sticky wicket, right?

We should absolutely be condemning Wasserman - but not lose sight of the possibility that electing Trump is likely disastrous for our nation.
He may "tell it like it is" but aligning with Putin isn't a fair trade for refusing to be "politically correct."
 

 
On this separate point.  I have said before in other threads for other reasons that regarding the cultural threat of Jihad and radical Islam, Putin is perhaps our strongest potential ally.  He seems to be the only one, period, who seems to be taking it seriously.  Other than Trump.

We can go into NATO if you like.  But again with NATO, Trump comes pretty close to my own long standing thoughts about NATO and how we carry the weight for Europe while they (as a whole, based upon GDP's and other factors) do relatively little in their own defense. 
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 2:01pm

 Steely_D wrote:

A movie I love is "Eyewitness" with William Hurt, Sigourney Weaver, James Woods, Christopher Plummer, and - starting his movie career - Morgan Freeman. It's a fantastic film.

As the police interview Hurt about his possible involvement in killing a Vietnamese tycoon bad guy, they ask, "You were in Vietnam, weren't you? I bet you have a grudge a mile long against this guy."
Hurt's reply: "I would think you would, too. It's your country, too."

Everyone should be booing Wasserman, regardless of whom they support and what party they belong to or don't.
 
 
Yes indeed.  Since this morning, we have now seen DSW removed from the opening ceremony.

I remember "Eyewitness" from many moons ago although have forgotten most of it.  I'll have to revisit it.

 

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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 10:32am

 Steely_D wrote:

It's a sticky wicket, right?

We should absolutely be condemning Wasserman - but not lose sight of the possibility that electing Trump is likely disastrous for our nation.
He may "tell it like it is" but aligning with Putin isn't a fair trade for refusing to be "politically correct."
 

 




Damn Russians, it is almost like we had 50 H bombs in Turkey and the CIA in Ukraine or something. Those Russians need to leave us alone. We need to pay more attention to our own foreign policy in particular to the Middle East and Eastern Europe (NATO in general) before we go criticizing Russia in regards to our relationship. Yes, I know Putin is an ass, but you know what? So are we.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 9:53am

 sirdroseph wrote:
I agree and yet some are booing the Russians instead. ;-)
 
It's a sticky wicket, right?

We should absolutely be condemning Wasserman - but not lose sight of the possibility that electing Trump is likely disastrous for our nation.
He may "tell it like it is" but aligning with Putin isn't a fair trade for refusing to be "politically correct."
 
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 9:48am

 Steely_D wrote:

A movie I love is "Eyewitness" with William Hurt, Sigourney Weaver, James Woods, Christopher Plummer, and - starting his movie career - Morgan Freeman. It's a fantastic film.

As the police interview Hurt about his possible involvement in killing a Vietnamese tycoon bad guy, they ask, "You were in Vietnam, weren't you? I bet you have a grudge a mile long against this guy."
Hurt's reply: "I would think you would, too. It's your country, too."

Everyone should be booing Wasserman, regardless of whom they support and what party they belong to or don't.
 

 

 




I agree and yet some are booing the Russians instead. ;-)
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 8:58am

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Geez, what a wobbly web of information.  I read the entire article, clicked on all the hot links Mr Marshall cited as support, read them in their entirety and even googled all the authors, websites and publishing corps hosting all this stuff.  Other than the NYT, Bloomberg used for hard sources, there was Politico,and one other primary source, publishing corp  Atlantic Media's many outlets involved.   AM even owns the source used in another thread to further this CT.  Seems that they are highly invested in furthering this CT as broadly as they can and moving it as far around the world as they can.

The article above makes many claims, including this one made repeatedly ...  Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.  I could find absolutely no support for this claim in the articles cited as proof.  Funny, I did find this ultra liberal blog which cites Mr. Marshall's unsubstantiated claim as support for their slam on Trump by searching the quote.  Nothing else came back to the quote in any relateable way.  Mr. Marshall gives himself an out with all his fantastic associations saying ... This does not mean Trump is controlled by or in the pay of Russia or Putin. It can just as easily be explained by having many of his top advisors having spent years working in Putin's orbit and being aligned with his thinking and agenda.  He does try to keep it going though saying ... But it is certainly no coincidence.  Riiiiight, if you say so, Mr. Marshall ...

The world of Real Estate is one few understand other than those immersed in it.  Banks are not necessarily the primary funding vehicles for real estate development.  More often private groups are the primary source.  It is not uncommon for groups of doctors, actors, sports figures and other wealthy individuals to pool resources into real estate projects with the hope of hefty returns.  How many know that Bob Hope was one of the largest owners of real estate in Los Angeles dating back to when it was still a hick town ?  Remember when the Japanese were buying up the all the real estate in the country and we all fretted that soon the Japanese would own the country ?  I admit to falling for that one back then. How did that work out ?  All the sour grapes of the referenced lawsuits seem to occur during the financial collapse of 2007 / 2008.  A lot of greedy people with huge ego's and powerful attorneys seeking return on damages got burned.

To think that the hack of the DNC is a coordinated effort between Trump and Putin, is pretty farfetched.   It is clearly just another CT being promoted by the Hillary camp to divert attention from the heinous emails uncovered that among other things reveal ingrained hatred and bigotry at the highest levels of the DNC.

FWI, I took a break from all of this and just saw DWS try to address the Florida delegation.  On MSNBC ...  She was being relentlessly booed the entire time she spoke, no doubt by Bernie supporters as well as those faithful who were deceived and let down by the DNC's practices revealed in these emails. 

 
Wondering how thorough your stab at googling what is obvious to most financial reporters was.

Is WSJ nonliberal enough for you?

See also HERE

The latter article makes it clear that while Trump was flavor of the month for wall street banks back when he was leveraging his supposed worth using the real estate bubble, they have lately soured on him as a client.

Finally from Crain's


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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 8:38am

 kurtster wrote:
  She was being relentlessly booed the entire time she spoke, no doubt by Bernie supporters as well as those faithful who were deceived and let down by the DNC's practices revealed in these emails. 
 
A movie I love is "Eyewitness" with William Hurt, Sigourney Weaver, James Woods, Christopher Plummer, and - starting his movie career - Morgan Freeman. It's a fantastic film.

As the police interview Hurt about his possible involvement in killing a Vietnamese tycoon bad guy, they ask, "You were in Vietnam, weren't you? I bet you have a grudge a mile long against this guy."
Hurt's reply: "I would think you would, too. It's your country, too."

Everyone should be booing Wasserman, regardless of whom they support and what party they belong to or don't.
 

 
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Posted: Jul 25, 2016 - 6:47am

 Steely_D wrote:
FTA:

After his bankruptcy and business failures roughly a decade ago Trump has had an increasingly difficult time finding sources of capital for new investments. As I noted above, Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks with the exception of Deutschebank, which is of course a foreign bank with a major US presence. He has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia. At a minimum the Trump organization is receiving lots of investment capital from people close to Vladimir Putin.

Trump's tax returns would likely clarify the depth of his connections to and dependence on Russian capital aligned with Putin. And in case you're keeping score at home: no, that's not reassuring.

Trump & Putin



There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored. 



 
Geez, what a wobbly web of information.  I read the entire article, clicked on all the hot links Mr Marshall cited as support, read them in their entirety and even googled all the authors, websites and publishing corps hosting all this stuff.  Other than the NYT, Bloomberg used for hard sources, there was Politico,and one other primary source, publishing corp  Atlantic Media's many outlets involved.   AM even owns the source used in another thread to further this CT.  Seems that they are highly invested in furthering this CT as broadly as they can and moving it as far around the world as they can.

The article above makes many claims, including this one made repeatedly ...  Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.  I could find absolutely no support for this claim in the articles cited as proof.  Funny, I did find this ultra liberal blog which cites Mr. Marshall's unsubstantiated claim as support for their slam on Trump by searching the quote.  Nothing else came back to the quote in any relateable way.  Mr. Marshall gives himself an out with all his fantastic associations saying ... This does not mean Trump is controlled by or in the pay of Russia or Putin. It can just as easily be explained by having many of his top advisors having spent years working in Putin's orbit and being aligned with his thinking and agenda.  He does try to keep it going though saying ... But it is certainly no coincidence.  Riiiiight, if you say so, Mr. Marshall ...

The world of Real Estate is one few understand other than those immersed in it.  Banks are not necessarily the primary funding vehicles for real estate development.  More often private groups are the primary source.  It is not uncommon for groups of doctors, actors, sports figures and other wealthy individuals to pool resources into real estate projects with the hope of hefty returns.  How many know that Bob Hope was one of the largest owners of real estate in Los Angeles dating back to when it was still a hick town ?  Remember when the Japanese were buying up the all the real estate in the country and we all fretted that soon the Japanese would own the country ?  I admit to falling for that one back then. How did that work out ?  All the sour grapes of the referenced lawsuits seem to occur during the financial collapse of 2007 / 2008.  A lot of greedy people with huge ego's and powerful attorneys seeking return on damages got burned.

To think that the hack of the DNC is a coordinated effort between Trump and Putin, is pretty farfetched.   It is clearly just another CT being promoted by the Hillary camp to divert attention from the heinous emails uncovered that among other things reveal ingrained hatred and bigotry at the highest levels of the DNC.

FWI, I took a break from all of this and just saw DWS try to address the Florida delegation.  On MSNBC ...  She was being relentlessly booed the entire time she spoke, no doubt by Bernie supporters as well as those faithful who were deceived and let down by the DNC's practices revealed in these emails. 


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Posted: Jul 24, 2016 - 9:20pm

FTA:

After his bankruptcy and business failures roughly a decade ago Trump has had an increasingly difficult time finding sources of capital for new investments. As I noted above, Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks with the exception of Deutschebank, which is of course a foreign bank with a major US presence. He has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia. At a minimum the Trump organization is receiving lots of investment capital from people close to Vladimir Putin.

Trump's tax returns would likely clarify the depth of his connections to and dependence on Russian capital aligned with Putin. And in case you're keeping score at home: no, that's not reassuring.

Trump & Putin



There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored. 


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Posted: Jul 24, 2016 - 7:29pm

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