Predicted very dispassionately a few decades ago by one of my favorite movies. Like "1984" and "Idiocracy" many of its insights are coming to pass.
"Nations are bankrupt. Corporate society was an inevitable destiny..."
Still, there will always be governing bodies and some version of a Bill of Rights and its controlling counterpart of laws or rules.
Rollerball (this, the original) is one of my favorite movies as well. I have used it for decades as an example of where we are headed. We are almost there now. It seems we are on the same page when it is all said and done.
Yep, that about sums it up. And I completely disagree. And not just because the critics and witch-hunters have misrepresented and completely overstated Clinton corruption.
Saying the status quo is not worth saving is basically saying that the founding fathers got it wrong. In particular, I believe that the US started strong and got stronger and the country is in much better shape and less corrupt than any time in its history.
I cannot see any good from trying to fight corruption by putting an even more corrupt individual in power. Obviously you do not think he is more corrupt and we won't get anywhere discussing that.
My philosophic position is that government should be a stabilizing influence - geopolitically, socially and economically. Changes should be considered and incremental. The government influences the country but cannot and should not completely control the social and economic direction. It can, however, help mitigate the economic cycle and, in particular resist the crashes caused by abuses of the free market. If you got rid of everyone in politics you would just create a power vacuum to be filled by the most brutal and self serving power-seekers. Revolutionary ideas have their place, but the implementation should be as orderly as possible. Trump doesn't have any revolutionary ideas and has no concept of how to implement the ideas he does have.
It is that simple.
Please remember my response was a redirect from the thought that supporting Trump was all about a return to the Good Old Daze (GOD). I don't know anyone who thinks that we can or should return to the GOD. They are long gone and we cannot return. The fox in the hen house was used by someone here months ago in reference to putting Trump in charge. I meant it here as a metaphor for hitting the reset button, to return to the rules we are supposed to be using.
The Clinton corruption cannot be overstated. The continuing revelations by wikileaks just cannot be ignored because they confirm too many things long assumed by many to be true. Yeah, I know we are supposed to ignore the revelations because they are from the result of a hack by the Russians (yet to be proven) and are not admissible in a court of law. Yet there they are. Ignore them at your's and mine own peril. 'Redneck Bill' got a $1 million birthday present from the government of Qatar ? Those that defend against that by saying that Bill is not on the ballot are truly naive, to be kind.
Long ago, I stated my thoughts on Trump's insights on governmental corruption. Yes, as a builder, he has had to be a player, just to get things done. Its how that biz works, everywhere. But that does not mean he likes it as so many state. It does gives him real working knowledge as one on the other side of the equation on how to fight it.
While Trump doesn't have any revolutionary ideas, and who among his supporters has said he does, where is the proof he doesn't know how to implement the ideas he does have ? What is offered as 'proof' is just hearsay from unreliable sources and nothing else. The proof I need is in the existing physical results of the buildings and projects he has accomplished, in spite of all the opposition and obstructions placed in front of developers by government, be it international, national, state or local.
I have said from the beginning of this current cycle that Hillary will win. And she will. She has (and been) bought and paid for this presidency. Wikileaks are the receipts that prove that.
Enjoy her presidency. I won't. I know what's coming and what the costs will be. Wikileaks is your friend. All the answers are there to see. The future of our borders and the Bill of Rights will be destroyed.
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Oct 17, 2016 - 6:40pm
haresfur wrote:
Yep, that about sums it up. And I completely disagree. And not just because the critics and witch-hunters have misrepresented and completely overstated Clinton corruption.
Saying the status quo is not worth saving is basically saying that the founding fathers got it wrong. In particular, I believe that the US started strong and got stronger and the country is in much better shape and less corrupt than any time in its history.
I cannot see any good from trying to fight corruption by putting an even more corrupt individual in power. Obviously you do not think he is more corrupt and we won't get anywhere discussing that.
My philosophic position is that government should be a stabilizing influence - geopolitically, socially and economically. Changes should be considered and incremental. The government influences the country but cannot and should not completely control the social and economic direction. It can, however, help mitigate the economic cycle and, in particular resist the crashes caused by abuses of the free market. If you got rid of everyone in politics you would just create a power vacuum to be filled by the most brutal and self serving power-seekers. Revolutionary ideas have their place, but the implementation should be as orderly as possible. Trump doesn't have any revolutionary ideas and has no concept of how to implement the ideas he does have.
It is that simple.
Well said.
It is sad that Trump is so profoundly failing in his opportunity to bring forward a positive, thoughtful, provocative message of possibility for the country. To be deprived of a respectful, though partisan, dialogue and then a real choice this election cycle, is a loss for us all. Lose, and then go away, please.
Edit: I am sad too, for all the people who do support him, but have a horrible messenger. They do need to be heard and to expect a positive response to grievances.
Nicely said until ... it ain't about bringing back the Good Old Days™. Its about stopping corruption more than anything else. The corruption is so bad that it requires turning the fox loose in the hen house and culling the herd. There is nothing the status quo is not worth saving. It is that simple.
Yep, that about sums it up. And I completely disagree. And not just because the critics and witch-hunters have misrepresented and completely overstated Clinton corruption.
Saying the status quo is not worth saving is basically saying that the founding fathers got it wrong. In particular, I believe that the US started strong and got stronger and the country is in much better shape and less corrupt than any time in its history.
I cannot see any good from trying to fight corruption by putting an even more corrupt individual in power. Obviously you do not think he is more corrupt and we won't get anywhere discussing that.
My philosophic position is that government should be a stabilizing influence - geopolitically, socially and economically. Changes should be considered and incremental. The government influences the country but cannot and should not completely control the social and economic direction. It can, however, help mitigate the economic cycle and, in particular resist the crashes caused by abuses of the free market. If you got rid of everyone in politics you would just create a power vacuum to be filled by the most brutal and self serving power-seekers. Revolutionary ideas have their place, but the implementation should be as orderly as possible. Trump doesn't have any revolutionary ideas and has no concept of how to implement the ideas he does have.
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Posted:
Oct 17, 2016 - 9:57am
kurtster wrote:
Nicely said until ... it ain't about bringing back the Good Old Days™. Its about stopping corruption more than anything else. The corruption is so bad that it requires turning the fox loose in the hen house and culling the herd. There is nothing the status quo is not worth saving. It is that simple.
If the overriding and sole desire was to put into office a person who is not (at least does not appear) to be) part of the corruption and is espousing ideas and policies that, if implemented, would knock down and rebuild the governmental foundations, then votes for Bernie Sanders would have been in order.
That makes no sense to me. First, the wording is awkward. Second, Trump voters are all over the spectrum, and include smart people. If you think about what's going on, there are people who believe that the game is rigged. How can you not think that when you see Bush - Clinton - Bush - Obama - Clinton? So, their point is to bring in someone who's not playing the game. Unfortunately, that's Trump, who is playing his own game: probably not politics, but probably finance and self-promotion. It looks like he's accidentally been volunteered further up the ladder than he anticipated, but he doesn't know how to get out of it. (Maybe that's the point of his incendiary rhetoric? To not accidentally become responsible for running the nation?)
But his supporters include those who think that politicians aren't going to give them a fair shake. That includes all walks of life, including folks who are swayed by the speeches promising that they'll get their jobs back, their culture back, their nation back. Those people aren't necessarily stupid or uneducated (although the group certainly includes those who are) but they are looking for something that will bring them back to the Good Old Days™.
Nicely said until ... it ain't about bringing back the Good Old Days™. Its about stopping corruption more than anything else. The corruption is so bad that it requires turning the fox loose in the hen house and culling the herd. There is nothing the status quo is not worth saving. It is that simple.
It's a strange situation. Trump and his voters got degraded to stupid uneducated bigoted idiots by the well educated, liberal minded and polite people because Trump is Trump.
That makes no sense to me. First, the wording is awkward. Second, Trump voters are all over the spectrum, and include smart people. If you think about what's going on, there are people who believe that the game is rigged. How can you not think that when you see Bush - Clinton - Bush - Obama - Clinton? So, their point is to bring in someone who's not playing the game. Unfortunately, that's Trump, who is playing his own game: probably not politics, but probably finance and self-promotion. It looks like he's accidentally been volunteered further up the ladder than he anticipated, but he doesn't know how to get out of it. (Maybe that's the point of his incendiary rhetoric? To not accidentally become responsible for running the nation?)
But his supporters include those who think that politicians aren't going to give them a fair shake. That includes all walks of life, including folks who are swayed by the speeches promising that they'll get their jobs back, their culture back, their nation back. Those people aren't necessarily stupid or uneducated (although the group certainly includes those who are) but they are looking for something that will bring them back to the Good Old Days™.
It's a strange situation. Trump and his voters got degraded to stupid uneducated bigoted idiots by the well educated, liberal minded and polite people because Trump is Trump. And now they will vote for someone that is absolutely not a good choice, but she is not Trump. And that's all that counts on this moment. From an European perspective I would suggest one extra year for Obama and one year for the republicans and democrats to get some decent people on the quest for president. Even Nixon looks good compared to Trump and Hillary.
Indeed to that, but my point was that there are lot of people with open eyes but they looking at everyone but themselves and ultimately the answer has to come from within..
That was my first thought. It can be scary to leave your eyes open when you turn your gaze to the mirror. That, i know.
It can be scary to leave your eyes open when you turn your gaze to the mirror. That, i know.
