kurtster wrote: 
I sincerely don't see that. I avoid WaPo, Huffington, MSNBC, FOX. I try to see the objective stuff he does, and watch how he behaves, instead of the spin. And he speaks in promises (that haven't been delivered) and threats. I don't see how he's showing up anyone on any front. He's certainly not a leader attempting bring the country together or inspiring the populace. He flat out talks as though his mission is to crush more than half the nation.

 aflanigan wrote: 
Yer thinking too hard.  Forever I've been saying that Trump's greatest opposition is from the never Trump repubs.  They want him gone worse than the dems do.  He is showing them up.  He can't succeed or they're toast.  They will do anything to make him a failure, given the right scenario.

If he get's impeached in the House, he's a goner in the Senate.  Watch Hatch, he's retiring with Romney in the wings and McCain is an impaired loose cannon.

as usual, ymmv ...

 aflanigan wrote: 
Seems like they've gone to some trouble to portray Pence as outside the loop on some issues, as a mere lap dog or parrot. So, when it comes to complicity, he has a less obvious involvement and impeachment for his actions would be tougher.

 kurtster wrote: 
They will need 2/3 of senate to confirm articles of impeachment in order to remove Trump. Not sure how you think they can remove Pence, would probably have to be separate articles of impeachment based on findings from Mueller's investigation, and again, fairly high bar in Senate to confirm article(s) of impeachment. 

Who knows how complicit Pence was? Who knows exactly how much Flynn, Manafort, and Papapopoulos know about involvement of Trump and Pence?

The interview with John Dean was interesting.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 




I don't know about that, if that were so he would be in the porn industry. ;-)

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Yes, because he's twelve.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

 Steely_D wrote: 

Make no mistake. This is a tweet about dick sizes. https://t.co/h1KXbZjl3R

— David Hughes (@david8hughes) January 3, 2018

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Oh, geez. I thought this was the usual photoshop job to make him sound like an petulant child, but it seemed a bit overdone.

Oh geez. Oh geez. 

 BlueHeronDruid wrote: 
They don't have pets so there is a footman (see what I did there?) under the table for him to slip his peas to.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Hmmm. A foot shaped like a hand.

 Coaxial wrote: 

 BlueHeronDruid wrote: 
I think it's his foot. Kellyanne Conway-style.

 BlueHeronDruid wrote: 
Looks like they have servants for everything these days.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Um. What the hell is going on under the table by the kid's hip?

#fuckingidiot

 kurtster wrote: 
I wish I shared your optimism  Between the democratic party's ability to completely misread people's concerns and the unAmerican Republican gerrymandering, I expect the Republicans to milk this for a while longer.

On the bright side that would be a good way to get new blood into the Democratic party structure. Kick em upstairs

burn in hell, you bag of shit

 Steely_D wrote: 
It'll be different this time. 

With the D's running the House and prolly the Senate, impeachment will be the very first order of business.  That is if he hasn't been indicted already.  

Guarantee .... 

If the D's play their cards right, they'll get both Trump and Pence which would put restored Speaker Pelosi as next POTUS.