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Posted: Mar 9, 2023 - 1:54pm

 black321 wrote:

Now the little fella is looking to start his own utopian town in Texas.
Only two things from Texas...


Looks like he's trying to emulate Henry Ford and make his own Dearborn, MI.

black321

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Posted: Mar 9, 2023 - 12:50pm

Now the little fella is looking to start his own utopian town in Texas.
Only two things from Texas...
Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 7:45pm

 black321 wrote:

(Woody was never convicted of any crimes)

I'm talking more about personalities. Take the recently deceased David Crosby. Often described as acerbic, to put it nicely, but still an amazing musician. ..although he seemed to mellow a bit last few years. 

Then it would be OK to batch Woody with Croz, as well as Elon.


Red_Dragon

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Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 4:55pm

 islander wrote:


Paypal was floundering under his lead. The board removed him while he was out of town and installed Peter Theil (also a notorious asshole). Theil was responsible for the progress that led to the sale to Ebay where Musk first cashed out really big. He bought his way into Telsa (and brought other needed funding as well), but it was Ze'ev Drori that is generally credited with getting the roadster from prototype to product, and he has said that it was the effort of the entire team.   He was much more instrumental in founding Space X, but the idea of reusable rockets was already well established and despite his history as a coder, he certainly wasn't 'building rockets' as his fanbase likes to say. And Space X wouldn't be around without some healthy government contracts to support it's endeavors.  I'm sure I'm missing others too. He's certainly got a knack for being a public face, but he's hardly the business genius/ real life Tony Stark that he likes appear to be.



HIs only "skill" is marketing himself; and that seems to be failing.
islander

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 4:43pm

 black321 wrote:

My favorite musician may be a jerk too, and ended their career with coke and heroin...but that ought not take away from their accomplishments. 
For musk, that includes paypal, jump starting electric cars, falcon 9, reusable rockets, openai, solar city, musk foundation and other charities...i'm sure i'm missing others. 



Paypal was floundering under his lead. The board removed him while he was out of town and installed Peter Theil (also a notorious asshole). Theil was responsible for the progress that led to the sale to Ebay where Musk first cashed out really big. He bought his way into Telsa (and brought other needed funding as well), but it was Ze'ev Drori that is generally credited with getting the roadster from prototype to product, and he has said that it was the effort of the entire team.   He was much more instrumental in founding Space X, but the idea of reusable rockets was already well established and despite his history as a coder, he certainly wasn't 'building rockets' as his fanbase likes to say. And Space X wouldn't be around without some healthy government contracts to support it's endeavors.  I'm sure I'm missing others too. He's certainly got a knack for being a public face, but he's hardly the business genius/ real life Tony Stark that he likes appear to be.

black321

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 2:03pm

 Steely_D wrote:


Not to disagree, but just to stir the feces into a warm, steaming frenzy: So you're OK with Woody Allen's/Roman Polanski's/Harvey Weinstein's/Bill Cosby's success?


No, not really, when you get into criminal activity, things go off rail.
(Woody was never convicted of any crimes)

I'm talking more about personalities. Take the recently deceased David Crosby. Often described as acerbic, to put it nicely, but still an amazing musician. ..although he seemed to mellow a bit last few years. 
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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 2:00pm

 oldviolin wrote:



Manuel Martín Cruz proposed: "If from Romulus, Rome, then from Bolívar, Bolivia"




i'll buy that for a dollar

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 11:55am

 black321 wrote:

My favorite musician may be a jerk too, and ended their career with coke and heroin...but that ought not take away from their accomplishments. 
For musk, that includes paypal, jump starting electric cars, falcon 9, reusable rockets, openai, solar city, musk foundation and other charities...i'm sure i'm missing others. 



Not to disagree, but just to stir the feces into a warm, steaming frenzy: So you're OK with Woody Allen's/Roman Polanski's/Harvey Weinstein's/Bill Cosby's success?
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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 11:41am

 islander wrote:


Or get publicly released from your NDA, then get set up for a couple of lawsuits for defamation and disclosure of private health information.  I knew a little about this guy previously, but hadn't read the full backstory. He basically took wages in lieu of a cash payout for his company to *maximize* his tax burden.  He did this because it was an efficient way for him to get money back into Iceland's public welfare system that had supported him for years.  He also had the title of something like acquired founder which basically meant he had no responsibilities and couldn't be fired for 'doing no work', although most reports paint him as a productive innovator and leader in his organization.

Now that he's fired Twitter is on the hook for the balance of his payout, which could be near 100 million. That's before the public disclosure, defamation and wrongful termination suits.  It must be huge, because the lawyers (or some remaining adult) at twitter actually got him to issue an apology pretty quick.


He can probably file for unemployment insurance too. Don't know about Iceland's laws but don't companies have to pay part of that?
rgio

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 11:34am

 black321 wrote:

My favorite musician may be a jerk too, and ended their career with coke and heroin...but that ought not take away from their accomplishments. 
For musk, that includes paypal, jump starting electric cars, falcon 9, reusable rockets, openai, solar city, musk foundation and other charities...i'm sure i'm missing others. 


All true, but when does encouragement toward the destruction of our democracy start to outweigh the good?  He definitely accelerated a lot of industries, but we'd have gotten their sooner or later.

Harvey Weinstein made some great movies.

You forgot Starlink...which is providing Ukrainian internet and freaking out the Chinese all at once.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 11:25am

 miamizsun wrote:


he could be a bolivar billionaire if he moved to venezuela  



Manuel Martín Cruz proposed: "If from Romulus, Rome, then from Bolívar, Bolivia"


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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 10:55am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


You have a billion dollars?


he could be a bolivar billionaire if he moved to venezuela  
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 9:28am

 Steely_D wrote:


My ears are burning.


You have a billion dollars?
black321

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 9:07am

My favorite musician may be a jerk too, and ended their career with coke and heroin...but that ought not take away from their accomplishments. 
For musk, that includes paypal, jump starting electric cars, falcon 9, reusable rockets, openai, solar city, musk foundation and other charities...i'm sure i'm missing others. 
Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 8:35am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Just another narcissistic asshole with a billion dollars.


My ears are burning.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 7:33am

 rgio wrote:

His ego wrote a check (in having to buy twitter against his own will) that he can't recover.  Sure, he can technically afford it, but he had to dispose of a lot of Tesla stock (and pay taxes) in the process, knowing it was throwing money away.   He's angry, and unlike his technical endeavors, the intelligence required to fix the problems is emotional... a currency of which he is dirt poor.


he also strikes me as someone who is losing their grip on reality.. being rich is not the only metric of success I guess.
rgio

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 6:56am

 islander wrote:
I'm not sure, but he's trying hard to demonstrate that he's the biggest asshole with a billion(well, many) dollars. It's a crowded field, so he's also working on dumbest (although many will defend him as a genius). 

His ego wrote a check (in having to buy twitter against his own will) that he can't recover.  Sure, he can technically afford it, but he had to dispose of a lot of Tesla stock (and pay taxes) in the process, knowing it was throwing money away.   He's angry, and unlike his technical endeavors, the intelligence required to fix the problems is emotional... a currency of which he is dirt poor.

Bill_J

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 6:47am

 islander wrote:


I'm not sure, but he's trying hard to demonstrate that he's the biggest asshole with a billion(well, many) dollars. It's a crowded field, so he's also working on dumbest (although many will defend him as a genius). 




islander

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 6:39am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Just another narcissistic asshole with a billion dollars.


I'm not sure, but he's trying hard to demonstrate that he's the biggest asshole with a billion(well, many) dollars. It's a crowded field, so he's also working on dumbest (although many will defend him as a genius). 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 8, 2023 - 6:35am

 islander wrote:

So who is still thinking this guy is a business  genius?


Elon Musk apologizes after mocking laid-off Twitter employee





https://abcnews.go.com/US/wire...


Just another narcissistic asshole with a billion dollars.
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