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rgio

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 8:45am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Can you clarify whose decision-making you're criticizing?


Trump (for going), his advisors (for allowing it), and both of them and anyone else whom you would include as "Republicans" when you say they are going to go after him.

Move on.  Stay focused.  Piss off as few Libertarians as possible.  If you're not sure why, ask Al Gore.
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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 8:35am

 rgio wrote:
Compounding the foolish decision-making. 

Can you clarify whose decision-making you're criticizing?

rgio

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 8:29am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 You may not hear from him, but you're about to hear a lot about him a the Republicans set out to destroy him by any means necessary.

Compounding the foolish decision-making.  

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 8:22am

 rgio wrote:
For starters... any time you agree with Vivek and RFK, Jr., it's likely a bad idea.

I understand the why... but if you think it's important enough to try to convince them to support you, you don't call them losers.  If you watch the video... he loses his cool at the booing and then tells them (I'm paraphrasing) "if you're tired of getting 3%...you'll join me".  He not only lost the room...but enabled his being booed to be played on a loop.  It's just another example of the horrible decision-making that surrounds him.

Then, the nominee (who nobody knows or cares about) stands up and says...“You are not a libertarian, Donald Trump,” he said. “You’re a war criminal and you deserve to be shamed by everyone in this hall.”  Loop item #2.

Sometimes, the best strategy is to remain silent.  

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight
Sun Tzu

I'm not saying it was a good idea, just trying to explain the reasoning as I see it.

Trump has a high enough opinion of himself and his charisma (and is so used to surrounding himself with sycophants) that he believed he could persuade the crowd to carry him off on their shoulders to victory. That evaporated as he took the stage. The little applause he got was for promising to commute Ros Ulbricht's sentence, something only a few people are convinced he'd actually do. After all he had four years and didn't.

As for the nominee who nobody knows or cares about...he's about to get a bit more media attention, most of it from right wing media and most of it negative. He's Chase Oliver, btw, our first openly gay candidate (our very first candidate—John Hospers, in 1972—was also gay, but discrete). Chase earned enough votes in the last election to deny either incumbent party a majority in the Georgia senate election and threw the election into a runoff. You may not hear from him, but you're about to hear a lot about him a the Republicans set out to destroy him by any means necessary.
rgio

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 7:38am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Same reason Vivek Ramaswami and RFK Jr. went: they thought they might get an endorsement, or at least persuade some delegates to vote for them or their causes.  I heard Kennedy's speech; he said what the crowd wanted to hear without  (unlike Trump) obviously and dishonestly pandering. That was still unpersuasive.

It's also a strategic move: if they can convince lefties that we're in the tank for them then they can make us less persuasive to people who aren't right wingers. They're trying to make us go away at every level. This could have helped, and I'm really grateful to the hecklers who made it backfire.


For starters... any time you agree with Vivek and RFK, Jr., it's likely a bad idea.

I understand the why... but if you think it's important enough to try to convince them to support you, you don't call them losers.  If you watch the video... he loses his cool at the booing and then tells them (I'm paraphrasing) "if you're tired of getting 3%...you'll join me".  He not only lost the room...but enabled his being booed to be played on a loop.  It's just another example of the horrible decision-making that surrounds him.

Then, the nominee (who nobody knows or cares about) stands up and says...“You are not a libertarian, Donald Trump,” he said. “You’re a war criminal and you deserve to be shamed by everyone in this hall.”  Loop item #2.

Sometimes, the best strategy is to remain silent.  

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight
Sun Tzu


Lazy8

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 7:20am

 rgio wrote:
Why bother going?

Same reason Vivek Ramaswami and RFK Jr. went: they thought they might get an endorsement, or at least persuade some delegates to vote for them or their causes.  I heard Kennedy's speech; he said what the crowd wanted to hear without  (unlike Trump) obviously and dishonestly pandering. That was still unpersuasive.

It's also a strategic move: if they can convince lefties that we're in the tank for them then they can make us less persuasive to people who aren't right wingers. They're trying to make us go away at every level. This could have helped, and I'm really grateful to the hecklers who made it backfire.

rgio

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Posted: May 28, 2024 - 4:39am

 islander wrote:
"You should nominate me or at least vote for me," Trump told the audience. "Only do that if you want to win," he continued.  

'Go for the win instead of holding to your ideals' is not really the message I'd expect would win over the libertarians. It's not like they aren't comfortable losing elections.

To paraphrase the few mins of his speech I saw...  "you're losers, you've always been losers, come vote for me and be a winner".   

Why bother going?  

The best thing for the Biden campaign is the trial in NY ending this week.  Either way, Trump out in public is the best campaigning Biden can do.

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Posted: May 27, 2024 - 5:09pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Oh yeah, and we nominated a presidential candidate.

‘He’s more delusional than I thought’: Libertarians jeer Trump during convention speech








"You should nominate me or at least vote for me," Trump told the audience. "Only do that if you want to win," he continued.  

'Go for the win instead of holding to your ideals' is not really the message I'd expect would win over the libertarians. It's not like they aren't comfortable losing elections.
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Posted: May 27, 2024 - 12:07pm

“Happy Memorial Day to All, including the Human Scum that is working so hard to destroy our Once Great Country,” the former president wrote on Truth Social today
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Posted: May 27, 2024 - 11:44am

Oh yeah, and we nominated a presidential candidate.

‘He’s more delusional than I thought’: Libertarians jeer Trump during convention speech

If Donald Trump came to the Libertarian National Convention to make peace on Saturday, it could hardly have gone worse.

Within minutes of beginning speaking —and after enduring sustained jeering and boos — the former president turned on the third party, mocking its poor electoral record in presidential elections even as he appealed to them for their endorsement.




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Posted: May 27, 2024 - 8:55am

of course, we all know that he was suddenly 4-f after years of being draftable, but he had his own “personal Vietnam.”
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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 2:01pm

 rgio wrote:

I was wondering why seal team 6 was on the Mar-a-Lago raid.



It was for the McDonald’s fries.
rgio

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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 11:05am

 Steely_D wrote:
Biden needs to act fast while EVERYTHING a President does is legal.
Stand over the body with his shades and a smoking machine gun and growl, “Anyone else got any questions?”

I was wondering why seal team 6 was on the Mar-a-Lago raid.

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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 10:05am

 rgio wrote:

The moment Biden has him killed... the value is gonna skyrocket!   Act fast!

(aside:  He's losing his mind, and the MAGAverse just keeps ignoring, projecting, and excusing.  Another serious WTF moment)


Biden needs to act fast while EVERYTHING a President does is legal.
Stand over the body with his shades and a smoking machine gun and growl, “Anyone else got any questions?”
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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 9:59am

 steeler wrote:

I only have until June 14 to accept my exclusive offer to purchase a commemorative Donald Trump coin (99.9% silver plated!). This exclusive offer arrived in yesterday’s mail.

I need to act now. I already missed out on the Trump Bible and the Trump gold sneakers.



Do you have the full set of trading cards?
rgio

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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 9:07am

 steeler wrote:

I only have until June 14 to accept my exclusive offer to purchase a commemorative Donald Trump coin (99.9% silver plated!). This exclusive offer arrived in yesterday’s mail.

I need to act now. I already missed out on the Trump Bible and the Trump gold sneakers.


The moment Biden has him killed... the value is gonna skyrocket!   Act fast!

(aside:  He's losing his mind, and the MAGAverse just keeps ignoring, projecting, and excusing.  Another serious WTF moment)
steeler

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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 9:03am

I only have until June 14 to accept my exclusive offer to purchase a commemorative Donald Trump coin (99.9% silver plated!). This exclusive offer arrived in yesterday’s mail.

I need to act now. I already missed out on the Trump Bible and the Trump gold sneakers.
rgio

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Posted: May 22, 2024 - 4:44am

 kcar wrote:
I believe Supreme Court justices (perhaps not the current bunch) have already indicated that the President cannot pardon himself. The DOJ has already issued an opinion on this. 

If that option had been available to Nixon, an accomplished lawyer in his youth, he would have jumped at the chance. 

The only things the current Supreme Court has in common with the one that decided Roe v. Wade are the robes and the office space.

Thomas and Alito would both have resigned in the early 1970s, something they refuse to consider in this partisan court.   Look at how they are dragging their feet on the "immunity" case... which is solely to prevent Trump from going to trial before November.

I agree with the notion that no one should be allowed to decide their case, but it's not something I'd trust the current SCOTUS with.  
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Posted: May 21, 2024 - 11:25pm

Trump: “I’M BEING SILENCED!!!”

Judge: “Wanna Testify?”

Trump: <crickets>
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Posted: May 21, 2024 - 8:34pm

 rgio wrote:

So... Not all of the cases are the same.

Let's assume the NY one is settled either way, that leaves 3.  The 2 Jack Smith cases could theoretically be pardoned, but the GA case can't.

There is a lot of discussion about whether a President can pardon themselves, but let's assume the SCOTUS allows it.

The GA case would have to wait until he's out of office.... which would give him good reason to want to stay in office beyond 2028.

His losing in November would be a lot easier for everyone... minus one.





I believe Supreme Court justices (perhaps not the current bunch) have already indicated that the President cannot pardon himself. The DOJ has already issued an opinion on this. 

If that option had been available to Nixon, an accomplished lawyer in his youth, he would have jumped at the chance. 

As for Trump's base: if they riot because of a Trump conviction, let it happen. As Dubya said, "Bring it." It's past time for law-abiding Americans to stand up to this cult which seems to love criminals "fighting for them." Not sure how Trump was fighting for the little guy by hoarding classified documents in a spare MAL bathroom but maybe I'm looking for logic from people who don't hold with such things. 
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