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Skydog

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Posted: Jun 22, 2022 - 8:28am


I know it's been 5 years and 7 months ago but I still am not over it. 
Voter fraud and criminality?
Here it is
Trump won over Hilary by 10,704 criminal votes
Johnson, Stein, Castle, McMullin, and Soltysik got over a quarter of a million fraudulent votes.
That's exactly the way I see it and I don't know if I will ever get over it.

2016 United States presidential election in Michigan
PartyCandidateRunning mateVotesPercentageElectoral votes
 RepublicanDonald TrumpMike Pence2,279,54347.25%16
 DemocraticHillary ClintonTim Kaine2,268,83947.03%0
 LibertarianGary JohnsonWilliam Weld172,1363.57%0
 GreenJill SteinAjamu Baraka51,4631.07%0
 U.S. Taxpayers'Darrell CastleScott Bradley16,1390.33%0
 IndependentEvan McMullin (write-in)-8,1830.17%0
 Natural LawMimi SoltysikAngela Nicole Walker2,2090.05%0
 -Others-26,0300.54%0
Totals4,824,542100.00%16
westslope

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Posted: Dec 29, 2018 - 12:51pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 westslope wrote:


 R_P wrote:
New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics
Far from being a sophisticated propaganda campaign, it was small, amateurish, and mostly unrelated to the 2016 election.
 

Good piece.  Not surprising.  Every potential threat to US security seems to go through the hype/spin-wash cycle to the point of being utterly blown out of proportion.

More pressing, more concerning, is the degree of condescending paternalism that American elites exhibit towards their flocks of fellow innocent, dumb citizens.  It is official:  the average American voter cannot be trusted to reason without some kind of firm, paternal guidance.   

No wonder the USA democratic system is still essentially unchanged over the last 2 1/2 centuries. 

 
This is incredibly condescending when it comes from the outside, but of course it is also true .
{#Lol}



 
Whenever we engage un "We ought to do...." or "They ought to do....", there is always a risk of being condescending.  Always.

Here in Canuck land, we ought to get rid of of our unelected Senate.   We ought to adopt proportional representation so nobody can finger-point us and exclaim that Canadians are just as 'exceptional' as their American counterparts.  

"American exceptionalism"
   stinks of arrogance but then it is also a wake-up call for those caring to pay attention.  Why do folks living in other rich, western countries appear to pay more attention to American academics, American scientists and other American experts than ordinary voting Americans?  

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Posted: Dec 29, 2018 - 9:26am

 westslope wrote:


 R_P wrote:
New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics
Far from being a sophisticated propaganda campaign, it was small, amateurish, and mostly unrelated to the 2016 election.
 

Good piece.  Not surprising.  Every potential threat to US security seems to go through the hype/spin-wash cycle to the point of being utterly blown out of proportion.

More pressing, more concerning, is the degree of condescending paternalism that American elites exhibit towards their flocks of fellow innocent, dumb citizens.  It is official:  the average American voter cannot be trusted to reason without some kind of firm, paternal guidance.   

No wonder the USA democratic system is still essentially unchanged over the last 2 1/2 centuries. 

 
This is incredibly condescending when it comes from the outside, but of course it is also true .{#Lol}


westslope

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Posted: Dec 29, 2018 - 9:02am



 R_P wrote:
New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics
Far from being a sophisticated propaganda campaign, it was small, amateurish, and mostly unrelated to the 2016 election.
 

Good piece.  Not surprising.  Every potential threat to US security seems to go through the hype/spin-wash cycle to the point of being utterly blown out of proportion.

More pressing, more concerning, is the degree of condescending paternalism that American elites exhibit towards their flocks of fellow innocent, dumb citizens.  It is official:  the average American voter cannot be trusted to reason without some kind of firm, paternal guidance.   

No wonder the USA democratic system is still essentially unchanged over the last 2 1/2 centuries. 
Steely_D

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Posted: Dec 28, 2018 - 7:51pm



 rhahl wrote:
What If Trump And Hillary Swapped Genders? Reenactment Of Debates With Genders Switched 'Shocks' Liberal Audience

This is fascinating. The female Trump seems smart and genuine, the male Clinton seems like a fool in over his head. I didn't realize before seeing this reenactment that Trump actually forced her into a real debate, not just a sequence of questions followed by BS responses.
 


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Posted: Dec 28, 2018 - 3:56pm

New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics
Far from being a sophisticated propaganda campaign, it was small, amateurish, and mostly unrelated to the 2016 election.
rhahl

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Posted: Mar 12, 2017 - 9:56am

What If Trump And Hillary Swapped Genders? Reenactment Of Debates With Genders Switched 'Shocks' Liberal Audience



This is fascinating. The female Trump seems smart and genuine, the male Clinton seems like a fool in over his head. I didn't realize before seeing this reenactment that Trump actually forced her into a real debate, not just a sequence of questions followed by BS responses.
rhahl

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Posted: Feb 27, 2017 - 6:54pm

Unless the Democrats Run Sanders, A Trump Nomination Means a Trump Presidency by

"...a Clinton match-up is highly likely to be an unmitigated electoral disaster, whereas a Sanders candidacy stands a far better chance. Every one of Clinton’s (considerable) weaknesses plays to every one of Trump’s strengths, whereas every one of Trump’s (few) weaknesses plays to every one of Sanders’s strengths. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, running Clinton against Trump is a disastrous, suicidal proposition."
...
"One’s support for Sanders should increase in direct proportion to one’s fear of Trump. And if Trump is the nominee, Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race and throw her every ounce of energy into supporting Sanders. If this does not occur, the resulting consequences for Muslims and Mexican immigrants of a Trump presidency will be fully the responsibility of Clinton and the Democratic Party. To run a candidate who can’t win, or who is a very high-risk proposition, is to recklessly play with the lives of millions of people. So much depends on stopping Trump; a principled defeat will mean nothing to the deported..."

I never heard of Nathan Robinson before but his current piece sounds equally prophetic:They Must Be Trying To Fail  By failing to appoint Keith Ellison to chair the DNC, Democrats have written their suicide note…


rhahl

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Posted: Feb 20, 2017 - 7:27am


As a percentage of eligible voters, Clinton received 28.43% (65,845,063) of all votes compared to Trump’s 27.20% (62,980,160) and Did Not Vote’s 44.37% (102,731,399).

http://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 2:33pm

 miamizsun wrote:

{#Lol}

 
{#Roflol}{#Roflol}{#Roflol}
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Posted: Jan 25, 2017 - 2:20pm




{#Lol}
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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 8:28pm


Coaxial

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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 5:59pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Wars have been fought over less.

 
Rightly so.{#Yes}
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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 5:53pm

 islander wrote:

something something sanctions, something something proportional and appropriate, blah blah blah. If only it were so easy to have something so fitting, convenient and deserved for the russians.

 
Wars have been fought over less.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 4:54pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Skydog wrote:
Kanye for Canada 2020?

What have Canadians ever done to us?

Besides Bieber, I mean.

 
something something sanctions, something something proportional and appropriate, blah blah blah. If only it were so easy to have something so fitting, convenient and deserved for the russians.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 1:34pm

 Skydog wrote:
Kanye for Canada 2020?

What have Canadians ever done to us?

Besides Bieber, I mean.
Skydog

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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 1:21pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 There are no age or citizenship restrictions on the position of prime minister itself.


 
Kanye for Canada 2020?
Lazy8

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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 1:16pm

 siriuss wrote:
 We, ( Canadians) find the way of electing a president in your country totally absurd. What is this silly thing   : "There are 538 electors and to win a majority and become president either candidate needs to accumulate 270 electors – half the total plus one.     Americans technically vote for electors, not the candidates themselves. The electors are state officials or senior party figures, but they are not usually named on the ballot. 
."  .........What is this ?  too much of a complex process which can lead to a lot of fraud and bad results.  I think it's time to change the way it's done and just use the total votes to elect 1 candidate to be president.  
The people should elect the president, not some obscure electors who can be bought and forced to changed their mind.  

Um...like y'all do?

The position of prime minister is not outlined in any Canadian constitutional document and is mentioned only in passing in the Constitution Act, 1982,<3><4> and the Letters Patent, 1947 issued by King George VI.<5> The office and its functions are instead governed by constitutional conventions and modelled on the same office in the United Kingdom.

The prime minister, along with the other ministers in cabinet, is appointed by the governor general on behalf of the monarch.<6> However, by the conventions of responsible government, designed to maintain administrative stability, the viceroy will call to form a government the individual most likely to receive the support, or confidence, of a majority of the directly-elected members of the House of Commons;<7> as a practical matter, this is often the leader of a party whose members form a majority, or a very large plurality, of Members of Parliament (MPs).<8> There are no age or citizenship restrictions on the position of prime minister itself.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 11:14am

 siriuss wrote:

 We, ( Canadians) find the way of electing a president in your country totally absurd. What is this silly thing   : "There are 538 electors and to win a majority and become president either candidate needs to accumulate 270 electors – half the total plus one.     Americans technically vote for electors, not the candidates themselves. The electors are state officials or senior party figures, but they are not usually named on the ballot. 
."  .........What is this ?  too much of a complex process which can lead to a lot of fraud and bad results.  I think it's time to change the way it's done and just use the total votes to elect 1 candidate to be president.  
The people should elect the president, not some obscure electors who can be bought and forced to changed their mind.  


 
Yep. There may have been a point for the Electoral College in the past, but those days are gone.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2017 - 10:45am

 Lazy8 wrote:
aflanigan wrote:

We are consistent: anybody is welcome to add more information to our electorate. Anybody.

We would be repulsed by a foreign power intervening in our elections...had that happened. It didn't. No one's votes were changed for them, no one was kept from the polls, no candidates were removed from the ballot. To the extent that happened it was done by Americans, for the usual crass political reasons.

You seem to think that by chanting "But the Russians told us!" over and over that we should stop knowing what was revealed: that the DNC was coordinating with journalists to get their message out; that the DNC tilted the field in favor of it's preferred candidate in the primaries; that the DNC is utterly incompetent at IT security. If we did the election over should we all have our memories wiped so that inconvenient facts disappear?

The electorate is not a jury, and it isn't bound by any rules of evidence. Anyone is free to tell it anything, for any reason. Anyone is free even to lie to it—as you and kcar are doing—by building the mythology that the election was stolen.

And I get to respond.

 
 We, ( Canadians) find the way of electing a president in your country totally absurd. What is this silly thing   : "There are 538 electors and to win a majority and become president either candidate needs to accumulate 270 electors – half the total plus one.     Americans technically vote for electors, not the candidates themselves. The electors are state officials or senior party figures, but they are not usually named on the ballot. 
."  .........What is this ?  too much of a complex process which can lead to a lot of fraud and bad results.  I think it's time to change the way it's done and just use the total votes to elect 1 candidate to be president.  
The people should elect the president, not some obscure electors who can be bought and forced to changed their mind.  

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