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black321

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Posted: Nov 9, 2018 - 6:59am



 miamizsun wrote:
in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, it seems we still have faith in our violence/aggression

as a society the top down emotional conditioning is (currently) overwhelming logic and reason

the good news is that the historic trend line on all violence is down, way down

obviously i encourage people to look at the data

but in spite of all the progress we've made, why do we occasionally take a step back?

why aren't we focusing on building peaceful solutions?

if you'll put down that torch and pitchfork for a moment, it's possible you may discover a better way to your desired outcome

Why violence is the perfect solution to every problem




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Simple: It demands the least of us in terms of both compassion and creativity. Rather than sacrifice our time, resources, rights or comfort in an effort to resolve a conflict, violence allows us to foist the total cost of a conflict onto our enemies. Think of it as the fast food of conflict resolution. The path of least resistance. A cacophony of sugar, salt and fat that gives us a momentary shot of euphoria and sanctimony but whose long-term effects are subtle, cumulative and self-destructive.

Of course, even though our enemies bear the brunt of our violence, the residual costs of violence remain, not the least of which is the brutality it elicits in those who deploy it. But such costs are easily mitigated or deferred through technology, which allows us to remain several steps removed from the consequences of our actions, and myth-making, which helps us convince ourselves and others that although the violence of our enemies is brutal, barbaric and unprovoked, ours is surgical, minimal, and, above all, necessary for the greater good.

One might argue that violence also demands a certain level of creativity. After all, an MQ-1 Predator Drone is a far cry from a spear or a club. It is a highly sophisticated piece of technology that required several years, hundreds of millions of dollars and dozens of people to develop. However, the mental framework in which the drone is deployed hasn’t changed since the first murder–a desire to strike a blow from which there can be no reprisal. As Walter Wink says, “Violent revolution fails because it is not revolutionary enough. It changes the rulers but not the rules.”

You could also argue that violence is often motivated by compassion, that we are reluctant to resort to such means, but sometimes the victimization of a particular individual or people group demands it. Seeing as violence is being brought against them, we are led to believe the only way to counter it is with overwhelming force. Once again though, this merely reflects the creativity-killing aspect of violence. To quote Wink again, “Since our hate is usually a direct response to an evil done to us, our hate almost invariably causes us to respond in the terms laid down by the enemy.”


 


miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 9, 2018 - 4:21am

in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, it seems we still have faith in our violence/aggression

as a society the top down emotional conditioning is (currently) overwhelming logic and reason

the good news is that the historic trend line on all violence is down, way down

obviously i encourage people to look at the data

but in spite of all the progress we've made, why do we occasionally take a step back?

why aren't we focusing on building peaceful solutions?

if you'll put down that torch and pitchfork for a moment, it's possible you may discover a better way to your desired outcome

Why violence is the perfect solution to every problem


images
Simple: It demands the least of us in terms of both compassion and creativity. Rather than sacrifice our time, resources, rights or comfort in an effort to resolve a conflict, violence allows us to foist the total cost of a conflict onto our enemies. Think of it as the fast food of conflict resolution. The path of least resistance. A cacophony of sugar, salt and fat that gives us a momentary shot of euphoria and sanctimony but whose long-term effects are subtle, cumulative and self-destructive.

Of course, even though our enemies bear the brunt of our violence, the residual costs of violence remain, not the least of which is the brutality it elicits in those who deploy it. But such costs are easily mitigated or deferred through technology, which allows us to remain several steps removed from the consequences of our actions, and myth-making, which helps us convince ourselves and others that although the violence of our enemies is brutal, barbaric and unprovoked, ours is surgical, minimal, and, above all, necessary for the greater good.

One might argue that violence also demands a certain level of creativity. After all, an MQ-1 Predator Drone is a far cry from a spear or a club. It is a highly sophisticated piece of technology that required several years, hundreds of millions of dollars and dozens of people to develop. However, the mental framework in which the drone is deployed hasn’t changed since the first murder–a desire to strike a blow from which there can be no reprisal. As Walter Wink says, “Violent revolution fails because it is not revolutionary enough. It changes the rulers but not the rules.”

You could also argue that violence is often motivated by compassion, that we are reluctant to resort to such means, but sometimes the victimization of a particular individual or people group demands it. Seeing as violence is being brought against them, we are led to believe the only way to counter it is with overwhelming force. Once again though, this merely reflects the creativity-killing aspect of violence. To quote Wink again, “Since our hate is usually a direct response to an evil done to us, our hate almost invariably causes us to respond in the terms laid down by the enemy.”


Coaxial

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Posted: Feb 15, 2018 - 5:10am


miamizsun

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Posted: Feb 15, 2018 - 4:41am

as a culture we really are steeped in top down violence as a solution...
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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:27pm

Center For Non-Violent Communication
aflanigan

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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:20pm

 buzz wrote:
  
some people need to have he idea of non-violence pounded into them. 
 
Don't forget your other favorite catch phrase: The beatings will continue until morale improves.
buzz

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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 8:13am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

comme ça?

 
yeah... like the commies. 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 8:09am

 buzz wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
violence (especially the initiation of on peaceful people) is never the solution

 
some people need to have he idea of non-violence pounded into them. 
 
comme ça?
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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 8:00am

 miamizsun wrote:
violence (especially the initiation of on peaceful people) is never the solution



 
some people need to have he idea of non-violence pounded into them. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Oct 3, 2017 - 7:02am

are things getting better?

have they leveled off?

or are they getting worse?

how can we attenuate violence and promote/build peace?

what does the data say? 

you might be surprised

short video here




more detailed here


miamizsun

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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 4:26am

violence (especially the initiation of on peaceful people) is never the solution


miamizsun

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Posted: Jul 1, 2016 - 7:13am

 miamizsun wrote:
overall a very good conversation...



 

unfortunately people still embrace the idea of virtuous violence and moral murder

the concept of unlearning violence is not very popular (especially the top down religious and political bents)

it doesn't matter if it is performed personally or happily externalized to those who are just doing their jobs

please introduce non-violence into the conversation when possible

peaceful people will appreciate it



miamizsun

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Posted: Sep 14, 2015 - 8:07am

overall a very good conversation...




ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 - 12:54pm

 miamizsun wrote:
worth your time to glean this from aeon and a related video

How Could They?

related video below

 



 

“It was hard growing in the South as a biracial kid without a father. But I had some great male role models. My neighbor was an old school Italian guy named Bernard Monti. He let me be part of his family. I could walk right into his house after school without even knocking. One day when I was in 6th grade, I came into his house crying because an 8th grader across the street had called my mom a nigger lover. Mr. Monti told me that I was teaching the kid to disrespect me. He told me to go back across the street and do what I had to do. So I did. And I got my ass beat. But the kid never picked on me again.” 


miamizsun

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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 - 12:36pm

worth your time to glean this from aeon and a related video

How Could They?

related video below

 


Proclivities

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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:17am

 sirdroseph wrote:


That was Graham Parsons less talented cousin that started that one if I am not mistaken.

 
{#Yes}

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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:15am

 Proclivities wrote:

Bäd Bürritö?  (band name?)


 

That was Graham Parsons less talented cousin that started that one if I am not mistaken.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:13am

 cc_rider wrote:
I had that once. Bad burrito.

 
Bäd Bürritö?  (possible name for a Latin-influenced, metal band)



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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:02am

 Proclivities wrote:

Well, at least no one used a diaeresis.

  I had that once. Bad burrito.


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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 9:50am

 mread wrote:

An ellipse has two foci, an ellipsis has three dots.
But the same people who would care might also by annoyed by excessive exclamation marks.
 
Well, at least no one used a diaeresis.
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