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Posted: Apr 22, 2024 - 2:43pm

 rgio wrote:

Sorry...which Trump trial should we be following? 


There is no reason why this shouldn't be on TV.   Give people a chance to watch for themselves, and possibly decide not only guilt or innocence... but the sense of fairness delivered by the judge.  

The reason it won't be on TV is that Trump is already an impossible defendant to manage. Wouldn't it be a zoo x100 if it was televised?

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Posted: Apr 22, 2024 - 1:50pm

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Well, we’re not the ones to judge the judge’s fairness. And he doesn’t need to glower and act up for the cameras. Assuming the judge is competent (and there’s every indication he is) then the sausage is getting made and we’ll just have to sit back a bit.

A separate question: who watches the watchmen?
Fiona Apple is part of a project that I’m interested in. Can’t do it at the moment, but when things settle a bit I think I’ll join in.

I do not doubt fairness...but having the video evidence helps to limit the daily BS that is going to come out of the defendant's mouth on his way home.  Every day.  In the end, it won't matter much... as the faithful will hear what they want regardless of the video evidence to the contrary.

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Posted: Apr 22, 2024 - 1:45pm

 rgio wrote:

There is no reason why this shouldn't be on TV.   Give people a chance to watch for themselves, and possibly decide not only guilt or innocence... but the sense of fairness delivered by the judge.  


Well, we’re not the ones to judge the judge’s fairness. And the convicted sex offender, failed reality TV star, who bankrupted a casino and stashed government classified documents unguarded in his home toilet doesn’t need to glower and act up for the cameras. Assuming the judge is competent (and there’s every indication he is) then the sausage is getting made and we’ll just have to sit back a bit.

A separate question: who watches the watchmen?
Fiona Apple is part of a project that I’m interested in.Can’t do it at the moment, but when things settle a bit I think I’ll join in.



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Posted: Apr 22, 2024 - 1:28pm

 Steely_D wrote:

The New York state court system has just agreed to publish a transcript of each day’s proceeding on its website. You can find the daily transcripts here.


Sorry...which Trump trial should we be following? 

There is no reason why this shouldn't be on TV.   Give people a chance to watch for themselves, and possibly decide not only guilt or innocence... but the sense of fairness delivered by the judge.  
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Posted: Apr 22, 2024 - 10:56am

The New York state court system has just agreed to publish a transcript of each day’s proceeding on its website. You can find the daily transcripts here.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2024 - 7:12pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


There's a lot of crazy out there.

• who liked going to the rallies because ... they didn’t have to worry about being politically correct.
• â€œTrump is a truth slayer,” she said. “He’s anointed with absolute truth, like gravity.”





Yeah; it's not a cult or anything.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2024 - 6:51pm

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Fascinating. I always suspected there was a Messianic qulity to his appeal.


There's a lot of crazy out there.

• who liked going to the rallies because ... they didn’t have to worry about being politically correct.
• â€œTrump is a truth slayer,” she said. “He’s anointed with absolute truth, like gravity.”



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Posted: Apr 20, 2024 - 4:49pm

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Fascinating. I always suspected there was a Messianic qulity to his appeal.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2024 - 8:54am

Deconstructing the spectacle and stagecraft of a Donald Trump rally
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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 11:10am

Man lit himself on fire outside the courthouse where Trump's trial is underway

A man lit himself on fire outside of the courthouse where the Trump trial is underway, two law enforcement sources confirmed to CNN.

The man walked into the park across the street from the courthouse, throwing flyers into the air, a senior law enforcement official told CNN. He then pulled something out of a backpack — it was not immediately clear what the item was — and lit himself on fire, the official said.

At least one person used a fire extinguisher to try to put out the blaze, and an EMT rushed up to the man and tried to render aid, according to CNN's Laura Coates, who narrated the scene unfolding in front of her outside the courthouse.


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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 6:05am

This is an interesting look at the view of Trump from those in NY vs. those in the rest of the country. 

Welcome Back to New York, Mr. Trump. We Haven’t Forgotten You.

I would consider myself a "local" for the article.  I'm from Philly... but I worked in NYC for well over a decade, and always saw him as aspirational, always reaching, always overselling.  Atlantic City was first, but golf was where I heard some of the best stories 30 years ago.

Everyone knows about Trump's love of golf, and he was desperate to get into Pine Valley (ranked consistently as the best course in the world, located in the South Jersey pines).  I knew/know several members.  He tracked down every member he could, offered all kinds of "incentives", and begged to be a member.  No dice.  Out of spite, he purchased Pine Hill Golf Club (1.5 miles away), took it private, and said he was going to make it "better than Pine Valley".  

He's an outsider.  A rube.  That chip on his shoulder is what plays so well with the MAGA crowd.


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 2:46pm

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@Kurtster: The punishment or sanction for contempt of court is determined by the presiding judge. Merchan does not HAVE to jail Trump for contempt of court, much as Trump apparently wants that to happen—I guess because he wants to portray himself yet again as a victim. 

Ah yes. Trump the mighty billionaire who can't cover the bonds without shady help. The owner of his own social media platform that's sinking like the Hindenburg on fire. He's a victim all right—of his own stupidity, rashness and senility. 


The real problem is not the whining from the MAGA crowd, it's their willingness to believe that somehow Donnie is a martyr.  If he's re-elected, instead of seeing is use of the DOJ as some sort of revenge machine, they've been conditioned to believe that Biden is the one who opened Pandora's box.  This is the insidious risk with Trump, he projects every single thing he does onto everyone else (not doing it)...so when he gets what he wants, it's not seen as new, different, special...and most importantly illegal.

Kurt doesn't see any of Trump's actions as criminal, so he won't care in the future if anyone else has committed crimes when accused and prosecuted by Trump later.  It's the standard "whataboutism"... because Trump says total crap so much, everyone is de-sensitized.  I don't think it's some "master plan", so much as lying is how Trump has lived for 60-70 years.  He literally can't stop himself... and the more he lies, the more 1/3rd of the country cheers.

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 1:54pm

@Kurtster: The punishment or sanction for contempt of court is determined by the presiding judge. Merchan does not HAVE to jail Trump for contempt of court, much as Trump apparently wants that to happen—I guess because he wants to portray himself yet again as a victim. 

Ah yes. Trump the mighty billionaire who can't cover the bonds without shady help. The owner of his own social media platform that's sinking like the Hindenburg on fire. He's a victim all right—of his own stupidity, rashness and senility. 
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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 1:45pm

 VV wrote:

Sound familiar?
 
But if I need to knock you over the head with a hammer... Trump would have been brought up on charges whether or not he decided to run. The election interference argument just plays well with his MAGA minions, willing and eager to look for any reason to excuse him for his actions and set him up as their personal martyr. But you know this already.


Yes indeed. We've been over this before. Investigations into Trump's actions were started before he declared his candidacy on November 15, 2022. For instance, the House Committee on January 6 had its first of 10 hearings in June 2022. 

For those forgetting the timeline of relevant events, this summary is very useful: 

Updated: The Trump indictments: a seven-year timeline of key developments

BY: - AUGUST 17, 2023 1:00 AM

 https://georgiarecorder.com/20...

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 12:36pm

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Just to clarify, I don't for a moment think that Trump is a Russian "asset" out of conviction or ideological persuasion. He also doesn't have the intellectual nous to be that complicit.

No, in a way, it is almost worse. He is an opportunist with a massively over-inflated ego that made him easy pickings for a Russian op. The idea of riding a wave of popular discontent to become the new Messiah / Führer / Mini-Dictator /Strongman or whatever else you want to call it was just soooo appealing to him. 
That, coupled with a complete absence of any kind of moral compass or sense of loyalty were a fatal combination that brought us here to where we are today. 




Absolutely. 
And, as an increasingly dysfunctional society under pressure from within and without, a fertile soil it be for the seeds of our civil decrepitude. How else could it be? Cynicism alone? 
But for a different possibility one might withdraw from humanity entirely. A possibility that doesn't rest on a foundation of material existence at all. Even though material existence is the way we have come to purely quantify and qualify our day to day lives, it does not ensure our survival nor the survival of our species. Knowledge does. Knowledge of interpretation. Of self. Of the power of the union of mind and heart. A knowledge of the yearning we commonly refer to as "God". Not belief or conviction or solemn duty. Those qualities are void of permanence. Not socio economics or investment stratagies or systems of wealth accumulation. Those continue to produce war. Knowledge of the power of one human individual to say no. That's enough. This must not be. It will not be. I will treat the next human being I see knowing that it will not be...
"Should I die before I wake"
I don't care about someone giving a snowballs chance in hell. I will reject it all before I'll trade my soul. Of course, either way it will be hell to pay,  but if that snowball gets big enough, the hell to pay won't be able to melt it at all before being drowned out in its own death and deception...
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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 11:47am

 VV wrote:

"Asset" may even be assigning more credit to him than is due. An "Asset" may well know the role he is playing in assisting Russia with the attempted destabilization of our democracy and erosion of our standing in NATO and with our allies. 
 
I'm not sure Trump recognizes or understands this. 
 
I would call him a Russian "Stooge" who was embedded at the highest level of our government... and may yet again be. 



Just to clarify, I don't for a moment think that Trump is a Russian "asset" out of conviction or ideological persuasion. He also doesn't have the intellectual nous to be that complicit.

No, in a way, it is almost worse. He is an opportunist with a massively over-inflated ego that made him easy pickings for a Russian op. The idea of riding a wave of popular discontent to become the new Messiah / Führer / Mini-Dictator /Strongman or whatever else you want to call it was just soooo appealing to him. 
That, coupled with a complete absence of any kind of moral compass or sense of loyalty were a fatal combination that brought us here to where we are today. 


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:31am

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Don't forget that William Barr ...

Bill doesn't want to be forgotten...so much so that he's now on Fox telling them that Biden is the threat to democracy.  I guess the book tours and speaking engagements aren't what he thought they'd be when he spoke out... so go back to the cult and get paid.


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:12am

 VV wrote:

Sound familiar?
 
But if I need to knock you over the head with a hammer... Trump would have been brought up on charges whether or not he decided to run. The election interference argument just plays well with his MAGA minions, willing and eager to look for any reason to excuse him for his actions and set him up as their personal martyr. But you know this already.



Don't forget that William Barr spent years trying to bury this whole thing. Even going as far as saying the prosecutor has resigned, while the prosecutor was publicly out saying "I HAVE NOT RESIGNED". That prosecutor was hanging on to place his successor so the case could continue in New York. That whole section of the story is just as wild.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/manhattan-u-s-attorney-geoffrey-berman-who-investigated-trump-associates-n1231628

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ousted-u-s-prosecutor-tells-panel-barr-urged-him-to-resign

This from the Trump justice department. While he screams that the Biden DOJ is corrupt. He only thinks it's corrupt because he knows it was when he ran it, and it's the only way he can see it operating.  Why would anyone not use the DOJ to punish their enemies?
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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:11am

 Bill_J wrote:


The purpose of any prosecution is to hold anyone accountable for illegal actions. That's all that's going on here.



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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:11am

 Steely_D wrote:


Well, all this occurred in a political world, so saying that “this is all political” doesn’t really mean anything.


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