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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 6:41am

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So that is what you have reduced this assassination attempt down to ?

Good to know.

Had he not decided to ad lib, it would have been a successful assassination, not an attempt.

You missed his point. As per usual. 
 
The attempt was dead serious and he was very fortunate to escape with his life... with only a minor graze wound to show for it. What was probably surprising and fortunate was the actual lack of blood that resulted from it.

But Trump being Trump, can't but help himself to bend reality into something that he feels puts him in a better (perhaps more "heroic) light with his MAGA groupies. To be expected though given his history.

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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 6:26am

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Was god on the side of the guy that was killed too?  If god was on your side shouldn't have intervened a few minutes earlier? Does your god have less foresight than the police who had identified this guy as a threat, or simply have the same or less power to act than they did?


we all know that bad things only happen to bad people, good things go to the good.
looking at all the good things trump has, money, wealth, power, attractive wives and children...he must be exceedingly good, the best really. 
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 6:20am

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Ignoring all of the theoretical pointlessness and anger of the "post-assassination" section (exactly how are you going to remove 10 million people from the country?), the willingness for everyone to ignore the reality of what we saw Saturday in PA is mind-boggling.

He was shot at...it's a good thing he wasn't killed... but.... (from last night's speech:)

I said to myself, “Wow, what was that—it can only be a bullet,”—and moved my right hand to my ear, brought it down, and my hand was covered with blood. I immediately knew it was very serious, that we were under attack, and in one movement, proceeded to drop to the ground.

Bullets continued to fly as very brave Secret Service agents rushed to the stage and pounced on top of me for protection. There was blood pouring everywhere, and yet, in a certain way I felt very safe, because I had God on my side.


Hand covered in blood?  We were under attack? Blood pouring everywhere?  

This is "the moment".  Sure, there's blood... hand-covered?   Attack?  Is that what you'd call this posture a minute later?   Blood everywhere?  He described D-Day in Normandy, and it was more like a nasty cut shaving.  
Every man has the right to an opinion but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. 

The Emporer has no blood.  There is so much reality in this near tragedy... there is no need to lie, embellish, enhance... but reality just isn't something the Right cares about.

God is on their side... who needs facts?


Was god on the side of the guy that was killed too?  If god was on your side shouldn't have intervened a few minutes earlier? Does your god have less foresight than the police who had identified this guy as a threat, or simply have the same or less power to act than they did?
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 6:16am

 rgio wrote:

 it was more like a nasty cut shaving.  
 
So that is what you have reduced this assassination attempt down to ?

Good to know.

Had he not decided to ad lib, it would have been a successful assassination, not an attempt.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 6:08am

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Discussing his "divisive" speech, the Wall Street Journal said (on the front page), "A lot of the statistics he used, in fact, possibly all the statistics he used were inflated or exaggerated in a way that's kind of, vintage Trump...missed an opportunity to be straight with America" 


Ignoring all of the theoretical pointlessness and anger of the "post-assassination" section (exactly how are you going to remove 10 million people from the country?), the willingness for everyone to ignore the reality of what we saw Saturday in PA is mind-boggling.

He was shot at...it's a good thing he wasn't killed... but.... (from last night's speech:)

I said to myself, “Wow, what was that—it can only be a bullet,”—and moved my right hand to my ear, brought it down, and my hand was covered with blood. I immediately knew it was very serious, that we were under attack, and in one movement, proceeded to drop to the ground.

Bullets continued to fly as very brave Secret Service agents rushed to the stage and pounced on top of me for protection. There was blood pouring everywhere, and yet, in a certain way I felt very safe, because I had God on my side.


Hand covered in blood?  We were under attack? Blood pouring everywhere?  

This is "the moment".  Sure, there's blood... hand-covered?   Attack?  Is that what you'd call this posture a minute later?   Blood everywhere?  He described D-Day in Normandy, and it was more like a nasty cut shaving.  
Every man has the right to an opinion but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. 

The Emporer has no blood.  There is so much reality in this near tragedy... there is no need to lie, embellish, enhance... but reality just isn't something the Right cares about.

God is on their side... who needs facts?
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 5:21am

Discussing his "divisive" speech, the Wall Street Journal said (on the front page), "A lot of the statistics he used, in fact, possibly all the statistics he used were inflated or exaggerated in a way that's kind of, vintage Trump...missed an opportunity to be straight with America" 

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 10:10pm

Lies fuel the left’s hatred of Donald Trump


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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 9:45pm

A Blind Spot And A Lost Trail (NYT)
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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 9:35pm

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Vincent for President!

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 8:56pm

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Nah, it's not cult.


Vincent for President!
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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 8:06pm

DONALD
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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 7:22pm

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Nah, it's not cult.


Aren’t these the same folks who couldn’t wear masks? 😷 
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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 9:19am


Nah, it's not cult.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 10:24pm

The Opportunist
J.D. Vance, a shameless fraudster peddling corporate-backed pseudo-populism, is a perfect match for Donald Trump. He’s playing Americans for suckers.
I try to avoid using polemical epithets like “bootlicker” and “toady,” but if anyone has earned them, J.D. Vance has. And because Donald Trump loves bootlickers and toadies, as a 39-year-old freshman senator, Vance has earned himself a slot on the presidential campaign ticket. He will be set up to be the de facto leader of the Republican Party after Trump. (...)

The kind of right-wing “populism” pushed by Vance and Trump accepts that many left-wing diagnoses of social ills are real. (Unlike certain strains of liberalism, which insist that everything is amazing and people need to stop whining.) But rather than, say, respond to unaffordable healthcare by making healthcare affordable, and reining in the corporations getting rich from extorting people, the right-wing populist directs the public’s rage toward immigrants, trans people, The Globalists, the Deep State, DEI, the Chinese Communist Party, and random ordinary people online. Whereas the “personal responsibility” conservative says, “your problems are your own fault,” the “populist” conservative says, “your problems are the fault of people who don’t look like you, or sinister shadowy government forces.” So much for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Instead, just find the right population to resent. Once elected, both types of conservatives use their power to further enrich the already-rich. Neither actually solves the problems.

The fraud is so transparent that I feel like I’m insulting the reader’s intelligence by pointing it out. J.D. Vance laid out the playbook himself! Take a social problem like addiction, promise to solve it by building a wall, and use this to portray yourself as someone who cares and will help. We could laugh at what an obvious con this is, but the men selling it are currently on a path to becoming the president and vice president.

Ask a “populist” conservative about pro-worker policies and all of a sudden, they start sounding much more like a traditional Chamber of Commerce Republican. (...)

As Ben Burgis points out, Vance is a multi-millionaire who has espoused “pretty much the views you’d expect from a Yale-educated venture capitalist whose campaign is primarily financed by a libertarian Silicon Valley billionaire.” Indeed, free market libertarian Peter Thiel (who distrusts democracy, in part because women have the vote) put a staggering amount of money toward getting Vance elected to the Senate. If Vance did have serious economically populist commitments, it’s hard to think Thiel would be getting his money’s worth. (...)
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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 4:35pm

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Worse than that.  Current reporting says ...

The shooter was initially tagged as suspicious a full hour before the start of the rally, after being flagged by police more than once.

Ten minutes before Trump walked on stage, the USSS upgraded his status to THREAT.  Trump's arrival on stage should have been paused at that point. Massive fail by USSS.





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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 4:17pm

Joe has COVID and has cancelled campaign appearances.
The calls for Joe to step aside are escalating (Schumer, Jeffries)
There's a VP debate somewhere in the future.

Today, this, from the Trump campaign:



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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 3:57pm

 VV wrote:

Right, I read/heard that too. And from what I understand Crooks almost immediately the turned to sight Trump and fired his shots because he was definitively spotted and probably realized he wasn't going to have much time to shoot after that. 
 
My question is: Should not the Secret Service have become aware of a person setting up shop on a nearby building in the time before the other police officer confronted him? I mean what is their responsibility in the situation if not that? They neutralized him very quickly but only after he killed and injured people on the scene.   


Worse than that.  Current reporting says ...

The shooter was initially tagged as suspicious a full hour before the start of the rally, after being flagged by police more than once.

Ten minutes before Trump walked on stage, the USSS upgraded his status to THREAT.  Trump's arrival on stage should have been paused at that point. Massive fail by USSS.


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 3:49pm

 Proclivities wrote:

From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."

Right, I read/heard that too. And from what I understand Crooks almost immediately then turned to sight Trump and fired his shots because he was definitively spotted and probably realized he wasn't going to have much time to shoot after that. 
 
My question is: Should not the Secret Service have become aware of a person setting up shop on a nearby building in the time before the other police officer confronted him? I mean what is their responsibility in the situation if not that? They neutralized him very quickly but only after he killed and injured people on the scene.   



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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 11:12am

 Proclivities wrote:

From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."

There also has been sketchy reporting of a ladder seen propped against the building. (It would seem that this should easily be established). It has been reported that Crooks bought a ladder from Home Depot. Is it possible that he was walking around with a ladder in that outer perimeter? 


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Posted: Jul 17, 2024 - 11:05am

 VV wrote:

Here’s the thing that truly baffles me. If the Secret Service counter-snipers are supposed to be scanning and looking for potential snipers… how is it that Crooks was able to get himself set up to take his shot undetected by them? Or if he was detected, should they not have raised an alarm and had the proceedings cease until an official or officials be dispatched to the building to check him out before resuming the event?

From what I've read, some witnesses alerted law enforcement that there was someone on the roof of the building.  A police officer was apparently boosted up to the roof and looked over but could not draw his weapon as he was hanging onto the edge of the roof with both hands.
"Witnesses at the rally alerted law enforcement to the suspect, identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, after they saw him perched atop a nearby roof. A local law enforcement officer climbed to the roof and found Crooks, who pointed the rifle at the officer. The officer retreated, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said. That’s when U.S. Secret Service gunmen shot him, officials have said."
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