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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 3:41pm

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Neocon hyperbole much?

 
You wish.
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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 3:40pm

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Neocon hyperbole much?
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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 3:33pm

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I like that gif. Almost as good as this one.


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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 3:27pm

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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 3:19pm



https://www.facebook.com/NationalRifleAssociation/

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

 

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

 

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

 

Enforce The Laws On The Books

 

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

 

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

 

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

 

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

 

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

 

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

 

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

 

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

 

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

 

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

 

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

 

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

 

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

 

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.




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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 2:56pm

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aflanigan wrote:
Yes, I know, it's one of those "trigger" words for some people. 

It's a fact of life that certain words which started with one meaning get co-opted, and sometimes (in the case of words like Fascism) turned into trite pejoratives. Yet another addition to Orwell's list of "meaningless words", perhaps?

So how do we reclaim words, reinvigorate them consistent with their original meaning? Or some relatively consensual meaning?

We dilute the term "Fascist" at our peril. There are still actual Fascists. They need to be called out as such, but that fails when you've diluted the word.

You fight that dilution by using the word as defined, by avoiding hyperbole, and by calling it out when you see it.

 

Nobody Knows Anything About Fascism




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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 8:01am

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Maybe it's just me but why doesn't Trump consider hiring the Hell's Angels to handle security at his rallies?
 
 
...just a thought,,, 

 
And, he is holding rallies in CA, so there is a well-known precedent.
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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 7:49am

Maybe it's just me but why doesn't Trump consider hiring the Hell's Angels to handle security at his rallies?
 
 
...just a thought,,, 
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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 7:08am

Donald Trump Grabs Clear Poll Edge Over Hillary Clinton in Early Campaign

A new round of polls have confirmed a rapid tightening of the presidential race between frontrunners Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

After trailing Clinton for months, two recent surveys — from Fox and Rasmussen — show Trump with a slight edge, +3 and +5, over Clinton. A CBS/New York Times poll taps Clinton with a 6-point lead, much narrower than the 10-point she enjoyed in that survey last month.

A number of battleground state polls, also, have shown a very close race between Trump and Clinton. Trump leads in Arizona, Georgia and Ohio, while Clinton maintains narrow leads in Oregon and New Hampshire. Pennsylvania and Florida are toss-ups.

Predictions of an inevitable Clinton landslide victory against Trump seem rather premature.

Obviously, the election is in November, not May, and the next few months can encompass several life-times in politics. Some of Trump’s strong performance in recent polling could be a function of him clinching the Republican nomination, while Clinton is still struggling against a tenacious primary challenger.

Recent political stories have tracked Trump consolidating his victory at the same time that Bernie Sanders continues to win or at least competitively contest Democrat primaries against Clinton. Trump no longer has a significant number of his own party openly criticizing him, while Clinton is still dogged by sectarian fighting within the Democrat party.

 


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Posted: May 20, 2016 - 7:06am

Make Yourself Great Again!

A group of millennial bros find salvation in the teachings of Donald J. Trump.




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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 8:16pm

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The Ultimate Ugly American and World's Biggest Douchebag. Most impressive. 

I get it. A lot of Americans are hurting and fed up with Washington. But this guy is just a narcissistic scam-artist and lifelong freak show.  If he wins, he will drop this country deep, DEEP into the shit. 

Stephen King was being really kind when he called Trump "this rabid coyote."
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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 7:42pm

CIVIL LIBERTIES
A local Home Depot bars employees from wearing political statements—if those statements are anti-Trump.

 

Krystal Lake, a 22-year-old Staten Islander and student at the College of Staten Island, elicited a firestorm of hate tweets after a photo of her wearing an “America Was Never Great” hat went viral.

Lake wore the hat during her Sunday shift at Home Depot in a silent protest against Republican frontrunner Donald Trump. By Wednesday, she awoke to panicked friends and co-workers telling her to check her social media accounts.

"Everyone kept asking me if I was on Facebook or Twitter, which I hadn't been, and then I saw how many people were sharing and that it was going viral,” Late told silive.com.

"I was honestly shocked. I didn't expect any of this to happen,” she said.

Lake, who is a Bernie Sanders supporter, said she’d wear the hat again despite offending Trump supporters. ”Trump is very rash and in your face, but when someone else has a message against him, his supporters can't take the criticisms,” Lake said.

Lake said she’s been inundated with racist messages and death threats. "People have been saying really racist things to me and that they're going to come and find me and that what I said is disgraceful and I hate America—but I don't hate America."  ......................more


 


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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 7:36pm

don't screw with him. he'll play the "trump" card like in rook.
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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 7:32pm


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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 2:41pm

Symptomatic...

"There is something of this, the desire for a convincing new brand, in the rise of Donald Trump, who, for many years now, has been more marketer than builder. What is his big, beautiful wall, paid for by somebody else, but the promise of a Sponsored Continent? The consumer’s America—lyrically normal, always aglow, Springsteen sans despair—has never been an actual place, but it is precisely the America whose greatness Trump’s supporters want so badly to restore. So busy renovating a spectral property, they’ve settled for symbols, gestures, attitudes, and little more. But, at least for now, I don’t want to pick on the Trumpists: I feel it, too. Every time somebody mentions the beach or a cookout, or, sure, offers me a Budweiser, something in me sort of stirs."

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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 1:55pm

Another article about Trump's proposed wall. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-immigration.html

Mr. Trump has suggested he will flesh out his ideas in a forthcoming speech. But experts across many fields who have analyzed his plans so far warn that they would come at astronomical costs — whoever paid — and would in many ways defy the logic of science, engineering and law."

...

“I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years where we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,” said Michael Chertoff, who led a significant increase in immigration enforcement as the secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush.

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John Sandweg, who led ICE for seven months under Mr. Obama, said wholesale deportations could make it easier for immigrant gang members and drug traffickers to escape detection. “If the agents are looking for volume, they won’t spend the time to do the detective work tracking down the high-value bad guy who has fake documents, the hardened criminals in the shadows,” he said. 

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Most deportations must be approved by judges. But backlogs in the 57 immigration courts are already severe, with waits as long as two years for a first hearing. The federal government would have to open dozens of emergency courts and hire hundreds of judges, shortcutting the painstaking selection process.

The millions of immigrants from Central American countries, China, the Philippines, India and other noncontiguous nations would have to be flown home at the federal government’s expense. Arranging flights would in itself be a huge and very costly task.

...

(emphasis is mine):

By any tally, the costs would be enormous. The American Action Forum, a conservative-leaning research group, calculated the federal outlay to be at least $400 billion, and then only if the deportations were stretched over 20 years. 

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(emphasis mine):

But the proposals’ main flaw, former officials said, is that they are unrealistic. “Unless you suspend the Constitution and instruct the police to behave as if we live in North Korea,” Mr. Chertoff said, “it ain’t happening.”



(As for the actual construction of the wall...)

“There’s a lot of logistics involved in this, and I don’t know how thoroughly they’ve thought it out,” said Todd Sternfeld, chief executive of Superior Concrete, a Texas-based builder of walls. “The resources alone would be astronomical.”

Mr. Sternfeld, who has led major wall projects across the country and approached the Trump family last summer, suggested that Mr. Trump was overly optimistic about the cost and was underestimating the complexity of the undertaking.

Running the numbers, Mr. Sternfeld said a 40-foot-tall concrete wall using a “post and panel” system that went 10 feet below the ground — to minimize tunneling — would cost at least $26 billion. The logistics would be nightmarish, including multiple concrete casting sites and temporary housing for a crew of 1,000 workers if the job were to be completed within Mr. Trump’s first four-year term.

Maintenance would be an additional recurring expense, said Walter W. Boles, an engineering professor at Middle Tennessee State University who specializes in concrete construction.

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Setting aside the need for congressional approval and a likely fight with Mexico over financing, many who study borders doubt that a mass of concrete would accomplish its purpose. From the ancient Great Wall of China to Israel’s modern security barrier, walls rarely prove totally impervious to people set on traversing them.

Walls tend to be crude solutions to complex problems and are evidence of geopolitical failure, said Michael Dear, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who specializes in the border with Mexico.

“People always find a way to go above or below or through a wall,” said Professor Dear, the author of “Why Walls Won’t Work.” “It’s just political window dressing and rabble-rousing of the worst order.”

...

Complicated environmental science and a fraught diplomatic history await anyone seeking to determine how to build a wall that cuts off the flow of people without violating the nation’s water treaty obligations.

Experts on those subjects, in interviews, were skeptical that one would ever be built. They speculated that the financial and political challenges were too great, among other reasons.


 

 



 

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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 12:09pm

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Not everyone appreciates the fact that it's not really appropriate to invoke Godwin's law if you are talking about aspects of Nazi Germany (eugenics, racial superiority, fascism) that are relevant to current political or other discussions.

Not everyone can read either, or will if they can. You can't fix ignorance by appeasing the ignorant.
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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 11:35am

{#Roflol} My sides.


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Posted: May 19, 2016 - 11:33am

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You still run the risk of Godwin's Law getting invoked when you do.

Um, no. Godwin's Law was a description of the phenomenon I'm objecting to. Avoid hyperbolic comparisons to mass murderers and you don't fall afoul of Godwin's Law.

 
Not everyone appreciates the fact that it's not really appropriate to invoke Godwin's law if you are talking about aspects of Nazi Germany (eugenics, racial superiority, fascism) that are relevant to current political or other discussions.
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