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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 6:09pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Unfortunately money rules and common sense drools...Sounds pretty negative I know. Quite unlike me in most other areas. This area I'm pretty sick of because it thrives on negativity and that sells ad time, just not to me. I ain't buying any of it. We're at the end of a cycle. The lag time is all used up. It's time to pay the piper.

 
And what currency is the piper currently accepting ?  Something tells me he is no longer taking children and doesn't want bitcoin either.


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:49pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Unfortunately money rules and common sense drools...Sounds pretty negative I know. Quite unlike me in most other areas. This area I'm pretty sick of because it thrives on negativity and that sells ad time, just not to me. I ain't buying any of it. We're at the end of a cycle. The lag time is all used up. It's time to pay the piper.

 
Yeah, we REALLY need to get money the fuck out of politics. Make all campaigns publicly-funded.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:41pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Yeah; they're both dumpster fires. This is why I'm hoping that this election cycle creates at least a couple more viable parties.

 
Unfortunately money rules and common sense drools...Sounds pretty negative I know. Quite unlike me in most other areas. This area I'm pretty sick of because it thrives on negativity and that sells ad time, just not to me. I ain't buying any of it. We're at the end of a cycle. The lag time is all used up. It's time to pay the piper.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:35pm

 oldviolin wrote:

I'm pretty sure the other one  is neck and neck. It's just too hard for some folks of that persuasion to admit; plus the other is such an easy distraction. Sound plausible?

 
Yeah; they're both dumpster fires. This is why I'm hoping that this election cycle creates at least a couple more viable parties.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:33pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Ok. Your prerogative. This is the Trump thread after all. However, Kcar was referring to parties, not specifically Trump or Clinton. Tell me what about their choices and the process selecting those choices to lead their parties into this election makes you think one is any better than the other? What chance does either of those selections have to begin the healing of open and festering wounds. I'm not a fan of equivocation in general, and certainly not when it comes to grading mediocrity.

 
The candidates are the parties standard bearer. I give you that if you are just comparing the basic parties they are a lot closer. It will be interesting to see if the party in general tries to put some distance between itself and Trump.   I do think the Clinton is pretty much the Democratic party (for better or worse), but they are also probably a lot happier to have her than the Republicans are to have Trump.

It's going to be a long 100 days. 

Edit - neither of these will be good for old wounds. This is one of the major problems I do have with Clinton. A lot of it isn't really even her fault, it's just that she comes with 40 years of baggage and there's just no way to untangle the parts of that she should own from the parts that are partisan hackery. She certainly has the experience, but many others would do just as fine and wouldn't have the baggage.  
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:26pm

 islander wrote:

I'm going to call false equivalence here.  The Dems have their host of issues, and Clinton(s) is high on the list among them. But they are a long way from Trump crazy. I'm a strong proponent of 3rd parties, and really think I'll be voting for Johnson. But if the election were held today, I'd probably vote Clinton just to show that I'm against Trump and don't want to give any legitimacy to his 'rigged' BS. I really hope that in ~100 days he's such a laughing stock that any talk of 'rigged' will be long gone and we can get a decent showing for third parties - This is what most of the ' want change / not racist' Trump voters should be doing anyway.

 
Ok. Your prerogative. This is the Trump thread after all. However, Kcar was referring to parties, not specifically Trump or Clinton. Tell me what about their choices and the process selecting those choices to lead their parties into this election makes you think one is any better than the other? What chance does either of those selections have to begin the healing of open and festering wounds. I'm not a fan of equivocation in general, and certainly not when it comes to grading mediocrity.


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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:09pm

 oldviolin wrote:

I'm pretty sure the other one  is neck and neck. It's just too hard for some folks of that persuasion to admit; plus the other is such an easy distraction. Sound plausible?

 
I'm going to call false equivalence here.  The Dems have their host of issues, and Clinton(s) is high on the list among them. But they are a long way from Trump crazy. I'm a strong proponent of 3rd parties, and really think I'll be voting for Johnson. But if the election were held today, I'd probably vote Clinton just to show that I'm against Trump and don't want to give any legitimacy to his 'rigged' BS. I really hope that in ~100 days he's such a laughing stock that any talk of 'rigged' will be long gone and we can get a decent showing for third parties - This is what most of the ' want change / not racist' Trump voters should be doing anyway.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 4:45pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Haven't you guys done something kind of similar before?

 
Why yes,yes we have indeed.It was a century earlier though.


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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 4:41pm

 VV wrote:

Bokey, it was fine to hold that opinion when Trump was considered "unorthodox" during the primaries. The anti-establishment/maverick act played well back then. However; when that act morphed into a state of prolonged lunacy and instability with no end in sight... your statement (at best) can't be anything but this at this point:   

Donald Trump MUST not be POTUS.
Hillary SHOULD not be POTUS.

To say anything else is ignoring the obvious... which is... that he's unfit for the position. He continues to reinforce that opinion in his words and deeds.
 If this sideshow was happening with any other Republican nominee they would have been driven out of town long ago. Trump has managed to set the bar and expectations so low that there doesn't appear to be a bottom anymore.

Trump is a far scarier proposition that Clinton. That is crystal clear. If you don't believe that then you're just fooling yourself.  

 


  

Trump is an insane raving lunatic.He would step on his dick a lot and embarrass himself and us.That sucks but we've had almost 8 years to get used to that as the new accepted behavior from a POTUS.

Hillary is a cold,calculating entity from below Satan's outhouse.If we wind up with a Democratic Congress she will do damage beyond repair.She knows the system,she knows where the bodies are,she's full of anger and frothing hate.

 I'll take the buffoon for $100 Alex.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 4:40pm

 kcar wrote:

The military staging a coup and removing a civilian government? That will never happen in the US as it looks right now. You'd have to have some sort of end-times situation for people to even consider that. My hunch is that things rarely improve with a military junta in any country. 

One of our two major parties is pretty dysfunctional right now. We also have too much money in our election system. That allows the super-rich and large corporations to block change based on popular will, to lock in their political power and to prevent attempts to address income inequality. However, as a country we're not in the same state of distress as we were during the Great Depression. I know Bill Clinton's slogan of "There's nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America" sounds pollyannish, but it's true. 

 
I'm pretty sure the other one  is neck and neck. It's just too hard for some folks of that persuasion to admit; plus the other is such an easy distraction. Sound plausible?
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 3:18pm

 bokey wrote:
VV wrote:
kurtster I admire your loyalty to your candidate to a point but when that loyalty (as viewed against Trump's accelerating self-inflicted implosion) starts to look like blind loyalty... isn't it time to cut bait? Continuing to support that buffoon through sh*t storm after sh*t storm begins to call your own credibility into question.

If not "cutting bait" entirely... maybe "going dark" is a better idea? At least until he is finally able to pull himself together (not that I think that is even possible given his track record). 

I can't speak for Kurt or anyone else,but there is a school of thought that there is absolutely nothing that could possibly be worse that to continue the course of self destruction that America has taken the last 8 years.
 While Trump is obviously a colossal douchbag asswipe,the thought of continuing on the destructive path of national self loathing and hatred that has been set down recently is totally unacceptable.
Here is the bottom line IMO-

Donald Trump SHOULD not be POTUS.
Hillary MUST not be POTUS.

 
b,  You did a pretty good job of summing it up.  

v,  Its getting hard to defend Trump to be sure.  I ain't living and breathing this stuff, posting 24 / 7.  Unless Johnson gets over 15% and on the stage, there's little else to do.  ABC, that's all I got, especially when we see the parade of the establishment on the left and right lining up behind her.  If nothing else, Trump has forced everyone to lay their cards on the table and we now see who supports who.  That should be more frightening than a Trump presidency.



 
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 2:00pm

 bokey wrote:

I can't speak for Kurt or anyone else,but there is a school of thought that there is absolutely nothing that could possibly be worse that to continue the course of self destruction that America has taken the last 8 years.
 While Trump is obviously a colossal douchbag asswipe,the thought of continuing on the destructive path of national self loathing and hatred that has been set down recently is totally unacceptable.
Here is the bottom line IMO-

Donald Trump SHOULD not be POTUS.
Hillary MUST not be POTUS.

 
Bokey, it was fine to hold that opinion when Trump was considered "unorthodox" during the primaries. The anti-establishment/maverick act played well back then. However; when that act morphed into a state of prolonged lunacy and instability with no end in sight... your statement (at best) can't be anything but this at this point:   

Donald Trump MUST not be POTUS.
Hillary SHOULD not be POTUS.

To say anything else is ignoring the obvious... which is... that he's unfit for the position. He continues to reinforce that opinion in his words and deeds.
 If this sideshow was happening with any other Republican nominee they would have been driven out of town long ago. Trump has managed to set the bar and expectations so low that there doesn't appear to be a bottom anymore.

Trump is a far scarier proposition that Clinton. That is crystal clear. If you don't believe that then you're just fooling yourself.  
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 1:51pm

 bokey wrote:

My view as to what needs to be done is terrifying even to me and I don't want to go down that slimy,slippery slope.It would involve the military.Historically that is the beginning of the end of decency for a long time until a society can right itself.

  As to  what is wrong? Our political system is so horribly dysfunctional it needs to be removed and replaced.With what? I dunno.Let the military run things and clean up the mess and then we'll decide.

 
Haven't you guys done something kind of similar before?
kcar

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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 1:19pm

 bokey wrote:

My view as to what needs to be done is terrifying even to me and I don't want to go down that slimy,slippery slope.It would involve the military.Historically that is the beginning of the end of decency for a long time until a society can right itself.

  As to  what is wrong? Our political system is so horribly dysfunctional it needs to be removed and replaced.With what? I dunno.Let the military run things and clean up the mess and then we'll decide.

 
The military staging a coup and removing a civilian government? That will never happen in the US as it looks right now. You'd have to have some sort of end-times situation for people to even consider that. My hunch is that things rarely improve with a military junta in any country. 

One of our two major parties is pretty dysfunctional right now. We also have too much money in our election system. That allows the super-rich and large corporations to block change based on popular will, to lock in their political power and to prevent attempts to address income inequality. However, as a country we're not in the same state of distress as we were during the Great Depression. I know Bill Clinton's slogan of "There's nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America" sounds pollyannish, but it's true. 
bokey

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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:57pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

as a foreigner far away that makes me curious (and no, I'm genuinely curious, not wanting to stir up a shit storm):

what is wrong with the US in your view and what needs to be fixed?

 
My view as to what needs to be done is terrifying even to me and I don't want to go down that slimy,slippery slope.It would involve the military.Historically that is the beginning of the end of decency for a long time until a society can right itself.

  As to  what is wrong? Our political system is so horribly dysfunctional it needs to be removed and replaced.With what? I dunno.Let the military run things and clean up the mess and then we'll decide.


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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:36pm

 meower wrote:

I was going to go into a whole explanation, but this is better:

http://www.alleycat.org/Eartip

 

basically, she was feral and taken in to be fixed and tipped with the rest of her colony, but the vets felt that she was too little to be released (afraid that she would die) so she was made available for adoption, and we got her.

 



 
Interesting. They put a small notch in all cats ears here when neutering but you wouldn't see that at a distance. 
kcar

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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:32pm

 meower wrote:

I was going to go into a whole explanation, but this is better:

http://www.alleycat.org/Eartip

 

basically, she was feral and taken in to be fixed and tipped with the rest of her colony, but the vets felt that she was too little to be released (afraid that she would die) so she was made available for adoption, and we got her.

 



 
Awww...Love her meow/snarl/bark...

Yeah, ear-tipping makes sense for instantly identifying fixed cats among strays. I wonder if it affects cats' hearing or freaks them out ("WTF happened to my ear?!?").  
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:25pm

 kcar wrote:

meower, I've been wondering for weeks and just have to ask: what happened to your avatar kitty's left ear? 

 
I was going to go into a whole explanation, but this is better:

http://www.alleycat.org/Eartip

 

basically, she was feral and taken in to be fixed and tipped with the rest of her colony, but the vets felt that she was too little to be released (afraid that she would die) so she was made available for adoption, and we got her.

 


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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:18pm

 meower wrote:

I love Michael Leunig

 
me too, he's my favourite 
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 12:16pm

 meower wrote:

I love Michael Leunig

 
meower, I've been wondering for weeks and just have to ask: what happened to your avatar kitty's left ear? 
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