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latrippa

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Posted: Feb 10, 2015 - 9:26am

 kurtster wrote:

Ukraine is hostile to who ?

 Russia is the aggressor in my view.  Russia does not want peace, it wants Ukraine.

Let's also not forget that Ukraine owes Russia a lot of money (billions) for natural gas purchases.  Russia does have a right to collect it.


There are few choices on the table and none of them good.

It seems that the choices are to either arm Ukraine in order to defend themselves and give them money to pay Russia what they owe or tell them to surrender to Russia and be absorbed, once again.  

We can tell Russia to leave Ukraine alone, but can we tell Ukraine to get over it and surrender in the name of keeping peace in the world ?
 

 
Russia is the aggressor...if you think to Crimea, well it was gifted from Russia to Ukraine in 1954, when both countries belonged to the SSSR.
If you think to foreign troops in the country you are right, but they are not only russian
USA are very involved in this mess...actually financing the so-called supporter of democracy, like these, making any kind of atrocities to east, russian-speaking Ukrainian civil population.
I'm not a Putin supporter in any way, but here the situation is quite clear: USA want to expand their influence toward east, including Ukraine in the NATO.
If in this process there will be a war...well...it's in Europe after all.
Why the democracy-defender Ukrainians don't allow eastern populations to decide on their status with a referendum?


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Posted: Feb 10, 2015 - 8:54am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Let's just crystallize this whole thing, how would we feel if Russia were sending arms to a hostile country so close to our borders to assist in their conflict with us?  Let's jes say for shits and giggles....Cuba or something like that.

 
Ukraine is hostile to who ?  Russia is the aggressor in my view.  Russia does not want peace, it wants Ukraine.

Let's also not forget that Ukraine owes Russia a lot of money (billions) for natural gas purchases.  Russia does have a right to collect it.


There are few choices on the table and none of them good.

It seems that the choices are to either arm Ukraine in order to defend themselves and give them money to pay Russia what they owe or tell them to surrender to Russia and be absorbed, once again.  

We somebody can tell Russia to leave Ukraine alone, but who can tell Ukraine to get over it and surrender in the name of keeping peace in the world ?

The US has no standing in this as it does not consider its own borders worth defending ...
 


latrippa

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Posted: Feb 10, 2015 - 8:37am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Let's just crystallize this whole thing, how would we feel if Russia were sending arms to a hostile country so close to our borders to assist in their conflict with us?  Let's jes say for shits and giggles....Cuba or something like that.

 
I guess so angry to be ready to start a nuclear war...maybe to start it actually if you are not as clever as JFK...
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Posted: Feb 10, 2015 - 6:59am

Let's just crystallize this whole thing, how would we feel if Russia were sending arms to a hostile country so close to our borders to assist in their conflict with us?  Let's jes say for shits and giggles....Cuba or something like that.
latrippa

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Posted: Feb 10, 2015 - 5:09am

The ancient citizens of my town were used to ask themselves "cui prodest?" (to whose benefit?) in these situations.
I think I know the answer... 
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 3:09pm

 miamizsun wrote:

i don't want it

can i just say no to UN-ending war?

(some pun intended)

 
No.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 1:30pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

and there you have it.

 
i don't want it

can i just say no to UN-ending war?

(some pun intended)
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 1:24pm

 RichardPrins wrote:


 
and there you have it.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 1:18pm


Doing the same thing again and again while expecting a different outcome...
latrippa

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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 9:54am

Chomsky and Kissinger Agree: Avoid the Historic Tragedy of Ukraine
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Posted: Dec 26, 2014 - 8:31am


Glory to Ukraine!

Invaders must die!



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Posted: Sep 5, 2014 - 4:55am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

I know you don't condone the use of your likeness.{#Lol}


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Posted: Sep 4, 2014 - 1:51pm

madness
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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:29am

"For three weeks, the Ukrainian army lost half of artillery and air force is no more" - source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

Today, August 21, the media published an article about the catastrophic loss of the Ukrainian army in the battle for the last three weeks. Check the accuracy of the knowledge source is not possible, but the facts articulated by him for the most part confirmed by including the Ukrainian side. For example, information about the huge losses of helicopters and airplanes MAT today has been reduced in the analytical material on Ukrainian TSN .

"Changing tactics," stated Poroshenko during the meeting with the security forces on 18 August due to a loss in the "ATO" most of the shock of arms, according to a source in the Defense Ministry of Ukraine.

According to him, "the advance of our troops at the Donetsk and Lugansk actually stopped. Calculation of the success of massive use of long-range artillery in order to clear the bridgehead to capture our troops suburbs of Donetsk and Luhansk - we can say has failed. "

"Separatists during the last three weeks has been punched out more than half of the available conventional and rocket artillery our group. More specifically - since the beginning of operations lost more than 200 guns and rocket systems "Grad" and "Hurricane". But the worst thing is that about a third of them fell into the hands of the separatists. During the retreat of our military they pull out all that is able to shoot on the territories under their control, and then used against our troops. I'm not talking about the armored vehicles: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, which in recent help from the staff of ATO, we have already lost more than 500 units. To make up for these losses, we have now removed from the conservation storage in warehouses technique the third and fourth categories. This means that it was stored for 30-40 years. Her condition, to say the least, unsatisfactory: scopes stolen, the engine starts, at best, one of the three or four wire half-rotten ... Our companies do help as they can, but they are not omnipotent, spare parts must be ordered in Russia. "

At the same time, according to a source in Kiev, the most catastrophic situation - with aircraft APU.

"She was with us and it was a bit of ability to fly. And now, after losing in the ATO almost everything that flies - 32 airplanes and helicopters, we can say that the Ukrainian Air Force is no more. No funds for its restoration, or professionals who would have done, and now have no place to take parts for obvious reasons. Therefore, without the normal fire support troops stood. And not just ordinary, but the officers refused to lead their units on the firing points. If people had raised slogans in attack, but now will only threats. That's all the "change of tactics."


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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:18am

from: http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/the-american-israeli-ukrainian-crisis/

(caveat mine - 1% or less war hawks, /Republican/Democrat and hardline Zionist war mongers produce the wars the 99% of us have to live with. The Jewish family next door and their children playing kick ball on the grass are not hard-line war mongers.)

The American-Israeli Ukrainian Crisis

Filed under: Uncategorized — grypa666 @ 01:21

America’s Hypocrisy: Damn Russia, Bomb Muslims, But Defend Israel’s War Crimes

March 11, 2014 by

evil

By Mohamed KhodrSabbah Report §

“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” –Nelson Mandela, Iraq Speech 2003

“Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman, or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed, or disappeared’, at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame.” –, 1996

“Hypocrisy, double standards, and “but nots” are the price of universalist pretensions. Democracy is promoted, but not if it brings Islamic fundamentalists to power; on proliferation is preached for Iran and Iraq but not for Israel….Double standards in practice are the unavoidable price of universal standards of principle” –Professor , “Clash of Civilization and the Remaking of the World Order”, (p. 184)

The American-Israeli Ukrainian Crisis

Does anyone in the U.S. government or media realize how extremely hypocritical for the U.S. to demand Russia respect the sovereignty, integrity, human rights, and “self determination” of the Ukrainian people?

Long before it even became a nation Americans, and later America, have never given a damn about any nation’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, independence, or people’s right to “self determination”. If a nation has some economic or strategic benefit to the U.S. you’ll become a victim of the freedom spreading U.S. military.

Do you ever notice that whenever the U.S. faintly pushes for peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians that a Jewish manufactured crisis occurs somewhere in the world to distract the U.S. and the world from dealing with Israel’s brutal military occupation of Palestinian territories and its killing siege of Gaza for 7 years? I don’t know about you but there’s something Jewishly rotten in the Ukraine Crisis... More here: http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/the-american-israeli-ukrainian-crisis/
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 - 11:38am

Why Is Washington Risking War With Russia?
Kiev’s siege of the Donbass, supported by the Obama administration, is escalating an already perilous crisis.

As The Nation has warned repeatedly, the unthinkable may now be rapidly unfolding in Ukraine: not just the new Cold War already under way but an actual war between US-led NATO and Russia. The epicenter is Ukraine’s eastern territory, known as the Donbass, a large industrial region heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens and closely tied to its giant neighbor by decades of economic, political, cultural and family relations.

The shoot-down of Malaysian jetliner MH17 on July 17 should have compelled the US-backed government in Kiev to declare a prolonged cease-fire in its land and air attacks on nearby cities in order to honor the 298 victims, give international investigators safe access to the crash site, and begin peace talks. Instead, Kiev, with Washington’s backing, immediately intensified its attacks on those residential areas, vowing to “liberate” them from pro-Russian “terrorists,” as it brands resisters in eastern Ukraine, killing more innocent people. In response, Moscow is reportedly preparing to send heavy weapons to the “self-defenders” of the Donbass.

Now, according to a story in The New York Times of July 27, the White House may give Kiev sensitive intelligence information enabling it to pinpoint and destroy such Russian equipment, thereby, the Times article also suggests, risking “escalation with Russia.” To promote this major escalation, the Obama administration is alleging, without firm evidence, that Russia is already “firing artillery from its territory into Ukraine.” Virtually unreported, however, is repeated Ukrainian shelling of Russia’s own territory, which killed a resident on July 13. (...)


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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 - 5:05am

Actually this was the first thing that I thought of when I first heard of this tragedy.  It saddens me deeply the soured relations with Russia.  I have always thought Russia was a key Ally and am very troubled by the path our relationship is headed......



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Posted: Jul 26, 2014 - 12:36pm

 kurtster wrote:
On the latter, I got nothing.

On the former, anyone who says one size fitz all ...  {#Mrgreen}
 
Ouroboros comes to mind... {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Jul 26, 2014 - 12:32pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

Who could you provoke if there were no "foes/enemies/evildoers", or, how could you possibly justify a bloated corporate warfare state?  {#Mrgreen}

 
On the latter, I got nothing.

On the former, anyone who says one size fitz all ...  {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Jul 26, 2014 - 12:26pm

 kurtster wrote:
I heard this yesterday.  Our newest contingents are over 20 years old.  

Safer to let Putin have his way then try and play 20 years of catch up in one week. 

Or Obama could ask Romney what to do next ...
 
Who could you provoke if there were no "foes/enemies/evildoers", or, how could you possibly justify a bloated corporate warfare state?  {#Mrgreen}
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