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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:36am |
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How the Media Got Played ... Again The US Played Hardball Against Ukraine…and the EUWhen the EU mediated a deal between the opposition and the government, I thought Yanukovich had dodged the bullet. Not quite. In parsing the circumstances of Yanukovich’s downfall, it is interesting to look for the machinations of Victoria Nuland, the State Department neo-con (wife of Robert Kagan) who was apparently given a free hand in matters Ukraine by President Obama. (...) It is rather ironic that Barack Obama, the progressive paragon, took a few hits from the Dick Cheney regime-change crack pipe, and now apparently finds it irresistible. Maybe he feels that he might as well grab for a few cheap foreign policy wins, damn the consequences, because in two years he’s outta here and President Clinton can deal with the mess. I imagine that Alfred Nobel’s image on President Obama’s Peace Prize medal is weeping blood tears by now.
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Red_Dragon

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Red_Dragon

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R_P


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Feb 23, 2014 - 9:05am |
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(...) “Among the reasons Mr. Yanukovych turned away from signing political and trade accords with Europe in November was his unwillingness to carry out painful austerity measures and other reforms that had been demanded by the International Monetary Fund in exchange for a large assistance package.On Sunday, the Fund’s managing director, Christine Lagarde, said that there was concern about the political instability in Ukraine and that the fund could only provide assistance in response to a formal request.Speaking at the end of a meeting of the Group of 20 finance ministers and central bank governors in Sydney, Australia, Ms. Lagarde said, “If the Ukrainian authorities were to ask for I.M.F. support, whether it is policy advice, whether it is financial support together with economic reform discussions, we would be ready to do that.” But, she said, “We need to have somebody to talk to because any discussion takes two.” Ms. Lagarde added that an economic program to help Ukraine had to be “owned by the authorities, by the people, because at the end of the day it will be the future of the Ukrainian economy.” The I.M.F. has extended help to Ukraine in the past, but has expressed reluctance to do so again because the Ukrainian government repeatedly failed to carry out agreed-upon reforms.” (...)
http://nyti.ms/1mnkLA2
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Red_Dragon

Location: Dumbf*ckistan 
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Feb 23, 2014 - 8:41am |
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RichardPrins wrote: EU/IMF/US. That might address one aspect of the problem, but is likely to mean the population might get saddled with more massive debt (and followed by austerity?).
Regardless, that doesn't address the (alleged) two cultures in Ukraine, Pro-Western West and Pro-Russian East, which likely can't be solved that 'easily' by throwing cash at it.
I have to back up and recall that someone(s) somewhere has a plan.
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R_P


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Feb 23, 2014 - 8:39am |
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Red_Dragon wrote: So the EU - that at least tacitly approved of the revolution - had better put their money where their mouth is now.
EU/IMF/US. That might address one aspect of the problem, but is likely to mean the population will get saddled with more massive debt (and followed by privatization and austerity). Regardless, that doesn't address the (alleged) two cultures in Ukraine, Pro-Western West and Pro-Russian East, which likely can't be solved that 'easily' by throwing cash at it.
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Red_Dragon

Location: Dumbf*ckistan 
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Feb 23, 2014 - 8:13am |
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RichardPrins wrote: So the EU - that at least tacitly approved of the revolution - had better put their money where their mouth is now.
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miamizsun

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Feb 23, 2014 - 6:49am |
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Red_Dragon wrote:it seems as if the Ukrainian Revolution has been successful. interesting, given the fact that only the losing side had any firearms...  just a couple of random thoughts the masses have the numbers on their side and they're obviously willing to sacrifice their lives/everything but for what? if they don't understand the true root causes of their problems, this will be a "reset" and the same cycle will start all over again centralized or concentrated power without a clear charter or guidelines usually (on a long enough timeline) leads to corruption swapping one bad ideology for another is like meet the new boss same as the old boss (eventually) corrupt rulers with a monopoly on the initiation of force/violence isn't going to produce the desired results for the masses just think if the ukraine was the weapons dealer to the world (like the US) and had the weapons/technology that the US govt has and ask if things would have turned out differently peace
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Red_Dragon

Location: Dumbf*ckistan 
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Feb 23, 2014 - 6:05am |
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it seems as if the Ukrainian Revolution has been successful. interesting, given the fact that only the losing side had any firearms...
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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Feb 21, 2014 - 12:50am |
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RichardPrins wrote:I guess you missed the part of the already existing divisions in Ukraine. I am sure some of the factions want what "we in the west take for granted", even though we don't actually necessarily have that accountability everywhere either ( we increasingly suffer from corruption, like for instance Russia does under the kleptocrat Putin, but in a different degree). Other factions, from what I've gathered, already include fascist and nationalist thugs. Sure Russia has a "national interest" as well, as discussed there, and produces propaganda, like any other country does to serve that nation interest. So lots of countries in Europe aren't doing good because of a brain drain? Haven't heard that one before. So I guess in your "highly esteemed opinion" the interpretation of what was said in those "tapes" is completely baseless? Who knew you dealt with rats?  The European Union collocates two entirely different concepts and that is not necessarily a good thing. The first is the European idea dating back to the Enlightenment and the enshrinement of basic freedoms and rights which is strangely appealing to the rest of the world too it seems. The second is economic and political entanglement under one union to dismantle nationalist tendencies, encourage the European idea, and, unfortunately, encourage a flow of economic and human resources to the large European economic centers. Whether this latter point was actually intended or not is a moot point but it is de facto what is happening. I am pretty well aware of how splintered Ukrainian society, after all I live in one of those big European economic centers and surprise, surprise, there are a lot of really cool bright young Ukranians living here. I am glad you liked my highly esteemed opinion. (I work diligently on that every morning with a can of brasso.) ... and no nothing is completely baseless. All of us are trying to see the truth wearing glasses in a sandstorm. ;-) So how many rats would you like? There's a bit of a glut on the rat market at the moment. Rats everywhere!
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Feb 21, 2014 - 12:08am |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:Sorry, but in my highly esteemed opinion, this guy is totally off his head. The entire eastern bloc is still undergoing a transition to modern democracy and is less and less forgiving of questionably elected leaders who are clearly products of the ancient soviet past than modern bumbling bureaucrats (like Angela Merkel). This current protest movement is most definitely a movement of the people and not caused by foreign powers.
The argument he makes that by offering the Ukrainians a trade pact the Europeans caused all this trouble is a glaring non-sequitur because it is based on the premise that what the Europeans were offering is exactly what the people (at least the people in the western half of the country) want. Naughty, naughty Europeans, how could they?!
I am more open to the idea that integration in the EU might not actually do the country any good (as a lot of other EU countries aren't doing particularly good right now as their talent gets sucked up the UK and Germany) but that is a secondary issue to what's at stake here. What the protesters want is a modern state that guarantees them modern freedoms and allows them to hold their politicians accountable. All those things that we in the west take for granted.
This is also why this issue is so sensitive. Putin knows there is a large groundswell in Russia that is heading the same way and that his days are actually numbered. In my experience rats in corners start getting pretty vicious. He is likely to stir up nationalist sentiment just to keep in power and that is precisely what the Russian propaganda machine is currently doing, and they can conveniently sacrifice the Ukrainians to do it. I guess you missed the part of the already existing divisions in Ukraine. I am sure some of the factions want what "we in the west take for granted", even though we don't actually necessarily have that accountability everywhere either ( we increasingly suffer from corruption, like for instance Russia does under the kleptocrat Putin, but in a different degree). Other factions, from what I've gathered, already include fascist and nationalist thugs. Sure Russia has a "national interest" as well, as discussed there, and produces propaganda, like any other country does to serve that "national interest". And it would benefit (by distraction) from fomenting what might turn into a civil war in a bordering nation? So lots of countries in Europe aren't doing good because of a brain drain? Haven't heard that one before. So I guess in your "highly esteemed opinion" the interpretation of what was said in those "tapes" is completely baseless? Who knew you dealt with rats?
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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Feb 20, 2014 - 10:59pm |
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RichardPrins wrote: Sorry, but in my highly esteemed opinion, this guy is totally off his head. The entire eastern bloc is still undergoing a transition to modern democracy and is less and less forgiving of questionably elected leaders who are clearly products of the ancient soviet past than modern bumbling bureaucrats (like Angela Merkel). This current protest movement is most definitely a movement of the people and not caused by foreign powers. The argument he makes that by offering the Ukrainians a trade pact the Europeans caused all this trouble is a glaring non-sequitur because it is based on the premise that what the Europeans were offering is exactly what the people (at least the people in the western half of the country) want. Naughty, naughty Europeans, how could they?! I am more open to the idea that integration in the EU might not actually do the country any good (as a lot of other EU countries aren't doing particularly good right now as their talent gets sucked up the UK and Germany) but that is a secondary issue to what's at stake here. What the protesters want is a modern state that guarantees them modern freedoms and allows them to hold their politicians accountable. All those things that we in the west take for granted. This is also why this issue is so sensitive. Putin knows there is a large groundswell in Russia that is heading the same way and that his days are actually numbered. In my experience rats in corners start getting pretty vicious. He is likely to stir up nationalist sentiment just to keep in power and that is precisely what the Russian propaganda machine is currently doing, and they can conveniently sacrifice the Ukrainians to do it.
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R_P


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Feb 20, 2014 - 8:55am |
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helenofjoy

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Feb 18, 2014 - 5:26pm |
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RichardPrins wrote:Nine Dead as Mayhem Grips Ukrainian Capital - NYTimes.comKIEV, Ukraine — Mayhem gripped the center of the Ukrainian capital on Tuesday evening as riot police officers tried to drive two armored personnel carriers through stone-reinforced barriers in Independence Square, the focal point of more than two months of protests against President Viktor F. Yanukovych. Pelted by rocks and fireworks, the vehicles became stuck in the massive barricades outside the Khreschatyk Hotel and burst into flames, apparently trapping the security officers inside, prompting desperate rescue efforts from their colleagues. In the course of wild day of parries and thrusts by the protesters and the police, the authorities in Kiev reported nine people killed, including two police officers. It was the bloodiest day of violence since President Yanukovych spurned a trade deal with Europe in November and set of protests that began peacefully but have since involved occasional spasms of deadly violence. (...)
This is horrible. No good can come of this. I've been trying to follow this as much as time allows. This is going to be touchy.
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R_P


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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:16am |
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Nine Dead as Mayhem Grips Ukrainian Capital - NYTimes.comKIEV, Ukraine — Mayhem gripped the center of the Ukrainian capital on Tuesday evening as riot police officers tried to drive two armored personnel carriers through stone-reinforced barriers in Independence Square, the focal point of more than two months of protests against President Viktor F. Yanukovych. Pelted by rocks and fireworks, the vehicles became stuck in the massive barricades outside the Khreschatyk Hotel and burst into flames, apparently trapping the security officers inside, prompting desperate rescue efforts from their colleagues. In the course of wild day of parries and thrusts by the protesters and the police, the authorities in Kiev reported nine people killed, including two police officers. It was the bloodiest day of violence since President Yanukovych spurned a trade deal with Europe in November and set of protests that began peacefully but have since involved occasional spasms of deadly violence. (...)
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R_P


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Feb 6, 2014 - 1:37pm |
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ScottN

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Jan 29, 2014 - 8:39am |
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Red_Dragon wrote: Very good analysis, but there is a long way to go with a series of unpredictable events to happen before anyone can claim to know what the end game is, imo. I study/follow Ukrainian affairs fairly closely. I have Ukrainian friends here and there. Their opinion, and mine, is that the end game may be a division of the country—to avoid a civil war that nobody wants to see occur. The pro west, western part of the country, including Kiev, stays Ukraine and forges stronger ties with EU Europe. The pro-Russian east becomes a Russian client state similar to Belarus. There will be stress and contention over Crimea. Russia will leverage intensely to maintain a naval presence and port. Black Sea access is VERY important to them. They have a nuclear submarine base in Ukraine on the Black Sea, currently, I believe. Moldova (a small, very poor country) is in the middle of this too. But they should have their own forum. The Gov't resignation is important. But what President Yanukovych decides will be the major pressing issue. Are his hands tied? Will he resign? Coup? Stay tuned.
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Red_Dragon

Location: Dumbf*ckistan 
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Jan 28, 2014 - 9:24am |
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