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Posted: Dec 18, 2022 - 11:26am

 islander wrote:
Yeah, it is wierd how far people will go to defend this guy.

Remember the 9/11 conspiracy theorists? You'd criticize some cut&paste manifesto and the first response out of their keyboards was "How dare you defend George Bush!" (or the Trilateral Commission, or the International Zionist Conspiracy, or George Soros, or whoever their bugbear was at the moment).

You can hold an ideal of free speech and a fail to live up to it. You can refuse to censor people without sympathizing with their causes.

Musk has turned to the tools he criticized when he was on the outside of Twitter to punish his enemies. You could see that as conclusive proof that he didn't mean a word of it, that he's a fascist* who wants to use Twitter as a megaphone for right-wing propaganda...or you could take a breath, look at his track record (the whole of it, not the quote-mined bits cherrypicked to fit your agenda) and realize that he is a human who is deeply in over his head in waters he has never had to navigate. A lot of the criticism I'm reading here is pure hatred directed at a single human being, and the attention to his every misstep borders on the obsessive.

An electric car company is nothing like PayPal. A space launch company is nothing like an electric car company. Electric cars are nothing like underground trains, which is only peripherally related to tunnel boring, which is unlike home solar power, which is unlike satellite internet, which is unlike a social media company. Not all these ventures succeeded and he wasn't good at running all of them, but they were startups and his bumbling first steps at running them weren't as public as those at Twitter, but enough of them did to make him hard to dismiss. Unless that very success makes you just irrationally hate him—then the worst things you can imagine are true!

There is a vigorous debate going on about how we communicate with each other, and who gets to decide what gets said and who gets to say it. Twitter, imperfect as it was, was a step forward in opening up that process. Everybody had something to say about how well it did that, including Musk. Now Musk gets to put his money where his mouth is. 

I want to emphasize that: his money. If his version fails at that the users who made it a success will abandon it and he'll be thoroughly punished. Maybe not as thoroughly as you'd like, but it'll sting. 

* Because he wouldn't keep giving free internet services to the Ukrainians. Who are also fascists. In fact everyone is a fascist except RP and maybe Noam Chomsky.

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Posted: Dec 18, 2022 - 10:41am

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And it’s not doxing. And please don’t tell us how horrible rocket science is. We get it; you’re angry and miserable.

Smirk. 
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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 11:38am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Doxing is evil......period.  This isn't rocket science.


And it’s not doxing. And please don’t tell us how horrible rocket science is. We get it; you’re angry and miserable.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 10:36am

 rgio wrote:

Kurt...did you look at the link you provided?  One X.  As I noted, they both work, but your regurgitation of Fox talking points is word for word.  Pure plagiarism.  

You really get defensive about Fox, while simultaneously ignoring the point:  The bans from Musk are not doxing.  It's an excuse. A lie.  

Anyone going to the effort to follow (and then possibly hurt) someone with a private plane doesn't need Twitter.  Lemme show you...

Go to this page:  https://globe.adsbexchange.com...  That's Elon's plane.  The data on the left is either the plane's current location in the air...or a bunch  of blanks.  You can also see that Elon has registered in the LADD program to limit data being shared, but you can't hide the plane when it's in the air for safety reasons.

Every plane in the US is listed.  Click on the yellow X on the top of the left panel (next to No Callsign), and you'll see every plane in the air right now. If you look to the right, you'll see the number change every second or two as planes land and take off. 

The plane tracking issue for Elon is a year old.  @ElonsJet is the Twitter account that initially pissed off Elon before he owned Twitter.  It was set up by a 19-year-old who was banging on this database and automatically posting when the plane went on and off the system.  It's actually an impressive bit of coding for a kid.

It's not doxing when someone shares publicly available data.  Reporters who care to comment on Musks movements are not doxing him.  If you read Elon's post on the ElonsJet banned account page now, he freely admits that he's removing links to databases with the data.  It's information from somewhere else.  Of the reporters he banned, only one had made a comment about Elon's location.

Elon is using it as an excuse to stop journalists critical of him from posting on Twitter.  He's also blocking links to other platforms, so people can't post their criticism elsewhere and provide a link (ie all Mastodon db links have been blocked). 

Talk about hypocrisy.  You went all "government conspiracy theory to block free speech" regarding the Biden's, but now line up for a leader spewing lies in violation of your sacred principles.   









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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 10:15am

 miamizsun wrote:
my thought process is similar to this
 
Doxing is evil......period.  This isn't rocket science.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 9:06am

my thought process is similar to this


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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 8:05am

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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 5:29am

 kurtster wrote:

The beloved Atlantic even spells it with XX ... "According to The Atlantic, from 2014 to 2020, "the doxxing conversation was'"


Kurt...did you look at the link you provided?  One X.  As I noted, they both work, but your regurgitation of Fox talking points is word for word.  Pure plagiarism.  

You really get defensive about Fox, while simultaneously ignoring the point:  The bans from Musk are not doxing.  It's an excuse. A lie.  

Anyone going to the effort to follow (and then possibly hurt) someone with a private plane doesn't need Twitter.  Lemme show you...

Go to this page:  https://globe.adsbexchange.com...  That's Elon's plane.  The data on the left is either the plane's current location in the air...or a bunch  of blanks.  You can also see that Elon has registered in the LADD program to limit data being shared, but you can't hide the plane when it's in the air for safety reasons.

Every plane in the US is listed.  Click on the yellow X on the top of the left panel (next to No Callsign), and you'll see every plane in the air right now. If you look to the right, you'll see the number change every second or two as planes land and take off. 

The plane tracking issue for Elon is a year old.  @ElonsJet is the Twitter account that initially pissed off Elon before he owned Twitter.  It was set up by a 19-year-old who was banging on this database and automatically posting when the plane went on and off the system.  It's actually an impressive bit of coding for a kid.

It's not doxing when someone shares publicly available data.  Reporters who care to comment on Musks movements are not doxing him.  If you read Elon's post on the ElonsJet banned account page now, he freely admits that he's removing links to databases with the data.  It's information from somewhere else.  Of the reporters he banned, only one had made a comment about Elon's location.

Elon is using it as an excuse to stop journalists critical of him from posting on Twitter.  He's also blocking links to other platforms, so people can't post their criticism elsewhere and provide a link (ie all Mastodon db links have been blocked). 

Talk about hypocrisy.  You went all "government conspiracy theory to block free speech" regarding the Biden's, but now line up for a leader spewing lies in violation of your sacred principles.   




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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 5:16am

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

You go all grammar cop over this ?  Give the Fox sux stuff a rest.  You're obsessed with it.  I used the spelling of "doxxing" in quotes because it was a quote of the way Musk used it in a tweet. The beloved Atlantic even spells it with XX ... "According to The Atlantic, from 2014 to 2020, "the doxxing conversation was'" According to many sources, either way is acceptable, unless you hate Fox or Musk.  Then you are obliged to disparage anyone or thing that uses the XX spelling for they must be evil non liberal entities.  Next you're going to say that anyone who uses XX to spell the word is racist, homophobic and xenophobic ...  Unless a liberal publication or person uses the spelling you object to ... .
What would Redd Foxx do ?

The point of rgio’s post was that Elon’s claim that he had suspended accounts for doxing/doxxing him does not hold water. 
 
Yeah, maybe, but he opened his remarks with a swipe at Foxx news.  Why ?  That's a rhetorical question, btw.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2022 - 4:57am

 kurtster wrote:

You go all grammar cop over this ?  Give the Fox sux stuff a rest.  You're obsessed with it. 

I used the spelling of "doxxing" in quotes because it was a quote of the way Musk used it in a tweet.

The beloved Atlantic even spells it with XX ... "According to The Atlantic, from 2014 to 2020, "the doxxing conversation was'"

According to many sources, either way is acceptable, unless you hate Fox or Musk.  Then you are obliged to disparage anyone or thing that uses the XX spelling for they must be evil non liberal entities.  Next you're going to say that anyone who uses XX to spell the word is racist, homophobic and xenophobic ...  Unless a liberal publication or person uses the spelling you object to ...

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What would Redd Foxx do ?

The point of rgio’s post was that Elon’s claim that he had suspended accounts for doxing/doxxing him does not hold water. 

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 9:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

You go all grammar cop over this ?  Give the Fox sux stuff a rest.  You're obsessed with it. 

I used the spelling of "doxxing" in quotes because it was a quote of the way Musk used it in a tweet.

The beloved Atlantic even spells it with XX ... "According to The Atlantic, from 2014 to 2020, "the doxxing conversation was'"

According to many sources, either way is acceptable, unless you hate Fox or Musk.  Then you are obliged to disparage anyone or thing that uses the XX spelling for they must be evil non liberal entities.  Next you're going to say that anyone who uses XX to spell the word is racist, homophobic and xenophobic ...  Unless a liberal publication or person uses the spelling you object to ...

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What would Redd Foxx do ?


Kurt, don't be like Trump. 

Pointless and a waste of time, I mean. 

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 9:21pm

 rgio wrote:
. Fox and Elon have apparently decided to use the term doxing  (spelled with either one or two x's...but Fox is using 2, so there you go...) 
 
You go all grammar cop over this ?  Give the Fox sux stuff a rest.  You're obsessed with it. 

I used the spelling of "doxxing" in quotes because it was a quote of the way Musk used it in a tweet.

The beloved Atlantic even spells it with XX ... "According to The Atlantic, from 2014 to 2020, "the doxxing conversation was'"

According to many sources, either way is acceptable, unless you hate Fox or Musk.  Then you are obliged to disparage anyone or thing that uses the XX spelling for they must be evil non liberal entities.  Next you're going to say that anyone who uses XX to spell the word is racist, homophobic and xenophobic ...  Unless a liberal publication or person uses the spelling you object to ...

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What would Redd Foxx do ?
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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 5:22pm

 rgio wrote:

A few things...

Fox and Elon have apparently decided to use the term doxing  (spelled with either one or two x's...but Fox is using 2, so there you go...) when someone discloses his airplane's location.  That's not doxing.  Doxing is when PII (personally identifiable information... DL #, SSN, home address, phone number, etc.) is shared (usually online) without permission.  His plane's location is public information.  It can't be doxing if it's public, but it sure sounds bad.  The kid in FL simply wrote a script to look for the filing of his flight plans (every min or two), and then automatically generated a tweet with the data.  No reporting...just a little coding to scrape public data and re-post it.  Fly commercial or borrow someone else's plane...and nobody will know. 

Elon has been trying to get the kids posting his location removed from Twitter for a while.  The kid tried to extort a Model 3 from Elon earlier in the year and made the kid's account explode with followers (Elon, meet Barbra Streisand).  In November after taking over, he reiterated he's all about free speech. Well...maybe not.

Since he's gone full-on conspiracy wonk, apparently the risks are just too great to not act.   Now that he's the Right's rich uncle, it's criminal what all of those crazy MSM reporters are out there saying.  It's complete BS.



Yeah, it's not like those reporters were inciting violence or anything, right?
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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 5:05pm

 rgio wrote:

A few things...

Fox and Elon have apparently decided to use the term doxing  (spelled with either one or two x's...but Fox is using 2, so there you go...) when someone discloses his airplane's location.  That's not doxing.  Doxing is when PII (personally identifiable information... DL #, SSN, home address, phone number, etc.) is shared (usually online) without permission.  His plane's location is public information.  It can't be doxing if it's public, but it sure sounds bad.  The kid in FL simply wrote a script to look for the filing of his flight plans (every min or two), and then automatically generated a tweet with the data.  No reporting...just a little coding to scrape public data and re-post it.  Fly commercial or borrow someone else's plane...and nobody will know. 

Elon has been trying to get the kids posting his location removed from Twitter for a while.  The kid tried to extort a Model 3 from Elon earlier in the year and made the kid's account explode with followers (Elon, meet Barbra Streisand).  In November after taking over, he reiterated he's all about free speech. Well...maybe not.

Since he's gone full-on conspiracy wonk, apparently the risks are just too great to not act.   Now that he's the Right's rich uncle, it's criminal what all of those crazy MSM reporters are out there saying.  It's complete BS.


I don't get your point. Are you being sarcastic? What risk is it knowing where his plane is, or actually was a couple of hours ago? And what do the reporters have to do with it?

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 12:57pm

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My understanding is that the reporters weren't doxxing musk but some were reporting on accounts that provided information on where his jet was located. 

A few things...

Fox and Elon have apparently decided to use the term doxing  (spelled with either one or two x's...but Fox is using 2, so there you go...) when someone discloses his airplane's location.  That's not doxing.  Doxing is when PII (personally identifiable information... DL #, SSN, home address, phone number, etc.) is shared (usually online) without permission.  His plane's location is public information.  It can't be doxing if it's public, but it sure sounds bad.  The kid in FL simply wrote a script to look for the filing of his flight plans (every min or two), and then automatically generated a tweet with the data.  No reporting...just a little coding to scrape public data and re-post it.  Fly commercial or borrow someone else's plane...and nobody will know. 

Elon has been trying to get the kids posting his location removed from Twitter for a while.  The kid tried to extort a Model 3 from Elon earlier in the year and made the kid's account explode with followers (Elon, meet Barbra Streisand).  In November after taking over, he reiterated he's all about free speech. Well...maybe not.

Since he's gone full-on conspiracy wonk, apparently the risks are just too great to not act.   Now that he's the Right's rich uncle, it's criminal what all of those crazy MSM reporters are out there saying.  It's complete BS.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 12:33pm

Twitter condemned by UN and EU over reporters’ ban
Sanctions on the oligarch!

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 12:18pm

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No one here cared when the other side was cut off from Twitter and it was also a publicly held company then. In fact the cheering was rather loud in here over all of the censorship, banishments and suspensions.

Just heard that these accounts were suspended because of "doxxing".




My understanding is that the reporters weren't doxxing musk but some were reporting on accounts that provided information on where his jet was located. Nevermind that those accounts apparently agreed to a delay in reporting the jet's location so there was nothing real time about it. Some of the other journalists were not reporting on that but were reporting on other aspects of musk's business.
 
You are correct that I didn't mind trump being banned from twitter for inciting insurrection, although I wouldn't say I cheered loudly. There is a bit of a difference between traitorous acts and making someone look bad by reporting on what they are doing. And "the other side" wasn't cut off from twitter. There are still plenty of ultra-right congress people and conspiracy nuts tweeting.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 9:15am

 kurtster wrote:
No one here cared when the other side was cut off from Twitter and it was also a publicly held company then. In fact the cheering was rather loud in here over all of the censorship, banishments and suspensions.

Just heard that these accounts were suspended because of "doxxing".

This is where all you woke progressives will learn that what you can do to others may be done to you. A weakness in progressive thinking is that they will stay in power and control of all their tools and don't believe that they can be taken away and untoward activities can be exposed in that process. Twitter was one of the biggest tools in the progressive tool box.

Interesting to see what rattles around in your brain and spills out without much thought behind it.  The information that kcar posted (that you responded to) did not have any editorialization added by kcar to even prompt your response. It's called information sharing. Apparently, it hit a nerve with you though?
  
Twitter was the biggest tool in Trump's tool-box... until he stepped on his own d*ck... and then it wasn't. Trump f*cked up and then had to pay the price. I wasn't doing backflips that he was thrown off Twitter but left to wonder why it took a failed insurrection for Twitter to finally wake up to the danger he posed all along.  That decision was something that even you can understand.
 
FYI, Musk seems to be rather unhinged and can ban whoever he wants for whatever reason. Seems like you may be unhappy that I (and others) are not unhappy/outraged by that move as it doesn't fit your tit-for-tat narrative.

Also curious to know how many of Trump’s bitchin’ NFTs you have bought?

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 9:14am

 haresfur wrote:

My quick estimate was 1/4 to 1/3 but 1/2 or whatever. The point is that he is still stinking rich and the twitter thing won't really hurt him, except emotionally. 


Agree the difference between the filthiest and just merely filthy rich is immaterial.  I do think that becoming the richest person alive can mess with your head a bit, especially when you're socially awkward to begin with.  He has 4 jobs that most people would kill for, and yet spends an inordinate amount of time on social media now.  He's become addicted to the immediacy of the feedback loop and his ability to keep his name circulating.  Over time, those who tire of the banter start to fall away, so he ups the ante and goes darker, deeper.  

He was the dog that caught the car when he was forced to buy Twitter.  Instead of letting go, he's determined to eat the car, even if it's unhealthy and tastes horrible.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2022 - 8:17am

And still the inner workings of Twitter being exposed means very little to very few here.
{#Yawn}
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