Once again, I'll raise my primary point that the quickest way to peace is with an abundance of oil. For a whole host of reasons. Peace through prosperity. Doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon with Biden once again declaring a fight to the death against the fossil fuel industry.
Ok, so connect the dots for me. . Your idea for the quickest way to an end to the Russia's military action against Ukraine is tied directly to oil and its availability?
. This will lead to peace? Please enlighten me as to what would be the ideal scenario to achieve that. Allocate all Ukrainian oil & natural gas production to Russia for the next 1, 2, 3, 5 years... or indefinitely? Or is Ukraine supposed to just give up all of their natural resource producing lands to Russia? Seems like that would certainly make Russia prosperous.... Ukraine?.... not so much.
How does Biden's support of alternative sources of energy (which is needed and inevitable though you would prefer to believe otherwise) even factor into a discussion of ending the conflict in Ukraine or maybe you just wanted to vent for venting sake?
This is the Anti War thread, not the Ukraine or Russia thread. An abundance of cheap, reliable energy is the quickest way to a real lasting peace globally as most wars since Korea have been about energy resources. Viet Nam was just as much about oil as it was the domino effect of Communism throughout SE Asia. I was made aware of this by the Quakers who handed out information to the group I was in boarding the bus to go downtown for my draft physical. It mentioned the oil fields in and offshore of Viet Nam. The Middle East wars have been centered around oil, at the very least, financed by oil. The Middle East had a strangle hold over the world regarding the supply of oil since the 70's, until a couple of years ago when the USA became energy independent and help to stabilize the global supply as well as lower the prices. Your buddy in the WH ended our energy independence on day 1 upon taking office and the world has gone to hell since incase you hadn't noticed.
Again oil is not just about internal combustion engines. We get fertilizer, plastics and medicine from petrochemicals.
Most movement in the industrialized world is dependent on fossil fuel (oil, coal, and natural gas). Not only does fossil fuel power our vehicles, but the plastics in vehicles and the roads they ride on are made in part by oil. Many of our clothes and medicines are made in part by oil. Amanda Little, who has published widely on energy, technology, and the environment, has written Power Trip: From Oil Wells to Solar Cells—Our Ride to the Renewable Future (1). Some of her observations follow.
Oil accounts for roughly half of our nation's fossil fuel usage. What it provides by and large is movement. America's transportation sector is almost entirely dependent on petroleum, which can be refined not just into gasoline, kerosene, and motor oil but into the petrochemicals that are the basic building blocks of a vast range of consumer products. What petroleum doesn't provide is electricity, which accounts for the other half of America's fossil fuel use. Electricity generation in the USA comes from coal (50%), natural gas (20%), and nuclear sources (20%). Natural gas essentially is petroleum that has been slow-cooked over time into a gaseous form.
Since nearly all plastics, polymers, inks, paints, fertilizers, and pesticides are made from petrochemicals and all products are delivered to market by trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes, virtually nothing in our offices or on our bodies is not dependent on fossil fuels. Ms. Little described sitting in her office at a desk made of Formica (a plastic), wearing a sweatshirt made of fleece (a polymer) and yoga pants made from Lycra (a polymer), sipping coffee shipped from Zimbabwe, eating an apple trucked from Washington, surrounded by walls covered with oil-derived paints, jotting notes in petroleum-derived ink, typing words on a petrochemical keyboard into a computer powered by coal plants. The breakfast cereal and veggie burger came from crops treated with oil-derived fertilizers. She spoke of Tylenol made from acetaminophen, refined from petroleum. The glossy magazines on her desk and a packet of photos were printed with petrochemicals; the mascara, lip balm, eyeliner, and perfume in her pocketbook, like most cosmetics, have key components derived from oil. The synthetic fabrics, like Spandex and nylon, as well as plastic sutures and photographic computed tomographic images come from petrochemicals. Energy, in other words, is everything and everywhere, and our survival is dependent on it.
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Plastics are hydrocarbons, compounds consisting of carbon and hydrogen, arranged in different formations. (Some also contain other atoms including nitrogen, chlorine, and silicon.) Hydrocarbons are found in nearly all organic substances—coal, plants, and animals—but they are most abundant in and most easily extracted from crude oil and natural gas. The energy equivalent of roughly 1 gallon of oil yields 3 pounds of plastics such as polypropylene. Polypropylene is produced at a global rate of 65 million tons a year. Polypropylene is found in soda bottles, camera film, fleece jackets, upholstery blends, and most other versatile fabrics and materials. Polypropylene is used in Tupperware and is also the quick-drying insulating fiber in many types of long underwear. Polycarbonate, used in the shell of the Smart car, for example, is also used to make hard hats, eyeglass lenses, and water cooler jugs. Polystyrene comprises everything from computer and appliance casings to Scotch tape dispensers and Styrofoam. Polyvinyl chloride is used in products such as industrial-strength sewage pipes. Acrylics include Plexiglas, latex paints, and Superglue. Polyamides are used to make everything from nylon stockings and suitcases to skateboard wheels, bullet-proof vests, and fire-resistant clothing. Finally, polyurethanes are used in automobile clear coats, furniture foam, and home insulation.
Nowhere is the durability of plastics more valuable than in medicine. Pacemakers and artificial heart valves are among the dozen of implantable medical devices made from plastics. The titanium and plastic hips and prosthetic legs and contact lenses and bioabsorbable polymers are all plastics. Many medical implants and prostheses are made of Silicon, which is a flexible, lightweight, inert plastic that can be manufactured to bear a remarkable similarity to the look and feel of flesh. Countless nonsilicon plastics are commonly used in medicine, including syringes, blood bags, surgical gloves, dressings, catheters, and intravenous tubes, which are made of polyethylene nylon and flexible polyvinyl chloride. These disposable materials guarantee sterility, cutting down on potential infections that were far more common in the preplastics era.
Certain forms of chemotherapy also have core petroleum-derived ingredients called nitrogen mustards. Most pharmaceuticals come from petrochemicals. Carboxylic acids and anhydrides are used to make Novocaine and acetaminophen as well as sedatives, tranquilizers, decongestants, antihistamines, and antibacterial soaps. Esters and alcohols derived from fossil fuels are used in fermentation processes that produce antibiotics. Glycols and celluloses are used to coat pills and bind together the contents of tablets. Petrochemicals may be found in everything from penicillin, cough syrup, and rectal suppositories to radiological dyes and x-ray film. Petroleum byproducts also are in most cosmetics—lipstick, foundation, mascara, cleansers, moisturizing agents, alcohols, binders, and aromatic chemicals. Petrochemicals are the basic ingredients in industrial glues and adhesives as well as the dyes that make up ink and paint. Each year in the USA roughly 100 billion pounds of plastics are produced annually—nearly one quarter of all global plastic production.
And then there are the fertilizers. Each year American farmers apply $6.2 billion of fossil fuel–based fertilizers to their crop lands. Nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium are the 3 most common nutrients in the fertilizers applied to American farmlands. The main form of nitrogen fertilizer is in anhydrous ammonia, and natural gas is its primary feed stock. America's food system accounts for roughly 10% of annual energy demands. While fertilizers account for roughly a quarter of the energy that sustains American agriculture, huge volumes of petroleum and electricity are also used to operate farm machinery, power irrigation systems, process crops, and package, refrigerate, and transport them to stores, restaurants, and kitchens.
We are indeed at the mercy of fossil fuels. Becoming energy independent is a dream without a radical change in the US lifestyle.
. Like it or not, we need oil and will indefinitely. How are windmills and solar powers going to replace everything mentioned above ? A couple of years ago I posted an article that said with the currently available technology we could only reduce our dependence on oil as an energy source to 70% by 2030. I am sure that present circumstances have pushed that date back even further because of inflation and the exporting of moneys needed for development to our enemies to buy more expensive foreign oil. How far do I have to go and how many more dots do you need to see ? Obviously much farther than this, because this is the obvious that you should already know being an educated American. But evidently you have forsaken your education for pies in the sky and other ideological pipe dreams brought on by the fear of dying in 10 years from global warming. You wish.
Over time, we will indeed move away from petrochemicals for energy, but not for sustaining life. At least the kind of life I would like to have. A life filled with peaceful abundance. You may prefer caves, huts and wars, but that is you, not me ...
The higher the global standard of living, the more likely we will have peace. Our standard of living is more dependent on the price and abundance of oil than anything else.
Of course, there's a never-ending supply. Isn't it. Fracking is a big help, next to...
I never claimed it was a never-ending supply, but has the world-wide production of diesel fuel ceased? The point is, there is always a number of days that a supply will last if production stops - for everything - especially commodities. Refinement of diesel fuel has not stopped. That's the point which Tucker Carlson and his ilk have repeatedly chosen not to mention. They just want people to believe that diesel fuel will disappear - and that it will be because of the current administration.
I was surprised to learn that nutrient export is a big issue in farming, particularly in places like Australia with crap soils. When you harvest crops for sale you are basically moving nutrients from the soil out your farm gate. Even wool removes a significant amount from the soil. Marginal land becomes more marginal unless you spend a bunch of money for fertiliser. But that's hard to afford because the land is marginal.
Indeed. Derplahoma was marginal land to begin with and the early agricultural excesses brought on The Dust Bowl in the 1930s. It's still marginal land that has to be manually enriched to produce anything.
Maybe we can talk about how we're draining California's aquifer to ship water to China in the form of alfalfa for their cows. Everyone's worried about oil but water's gonna be a big reason for war...
I was surprised to learn that nutrient export is a big issue in farming, particularly in places like Australia with crap soils. When you harvest crops for sale you are basically moving nutrients from the soil out your farm gate. Even wool removes a significant amount from the soil. Marginal land becomes more marginal unless you spend a bunch of money for fertiliser. But that's hard to afford because the land is marginal.
Maybe we can talk about how we're draining California's aquifer to ship water to China in the form of alfalfa for their cows. Everyone's worried about oil but water's gonna be a big reason for war...
I guess that leaves over 80 percent for domestic (animal) use.
When most Americans think of U.S. dairy, they picture cows roaming on the verdant pastures of Wisconsin. But in reality, they should replace that image with the tawny fields of California, the largest dairy producing state.
California produces more milk and cheese than anywhere else, including Wisconsin, the second biggest producer. California is in the middle of a megadrought, and dairy cows need loads of water. Some of that water is for the animals to drink and wash, but most of the water consumed by dairy is connected to what cows eat, in the form of feed and forage. (...)
Of the total irrigation water used to irrigate cattle feed, the Nature Sustainability study demonstrated that one-third went to dairy products (and the rest to beef products). In effect, eating cheese and drinking milk produced in the western U.S. typically means slurping up irrigation water taken from depleted water sources.
band name. Maybe we can talk about how we're draining California's aquifer to ship water to China in the form of alfalfa for their cows. Everyone's worried about oil but water's gonna be a big reason for war...
Maybe we can talk about how we're draining California's aquifer to ship water to China in the form of alfalfa for their cows. Everyone's worried about oil but water's gonna be a big reason for war...
Just-in-time manufacturing can lead to some interesting problems, but I hear people howling about the 25 days until diesel runs out and I wonder if they think that McDonalds has a year's supply of Big Macs sitting on the shelves too? HYPOTHETICAL because of course they do but you get my point.
Just-in-time manufacturing can lead to some interesting problems, but I hear people howling about the 25 days until diesel runs out and I wonder if they think that McDonalds has a year's supply of Big Macs sitting on the shelves too? HYPOTHETICAL because of course they do but you get my point.
i have a gasoline shortage about every three hundred and fifty miles
this happens at least three or four times a month
what gives?
Yeah, it seems kind of like saying your phone's battery will only power your phone for another 3 hours, but leaving out the part that says :"unless you charge it".
Of course, there's a never-ending supply. Isn't it. Fracking is a big help, next to...
Just-in-time manufacturing can lead to some interesting problems, but I hear people howling about the 25 days until diesel runs out and I wonder if they think that McDonalds has a year's supply of Big Macs sitting on the shelves too? HYPOTHETICAL because of course they do but you get my point.
Yeah, it seems kind of like saying your phone's battery will only power your phone for another 3 hours, but leaving out the part that says :"unless you charge it".
Just-in-time manufacturing can lead to some interesting problems, but I hear people howling about the 25 days until diesel runs out and I wonder if they think that McDonalds has a year's supply of Big Macs sitting on the shelves too? HYPOTHETICAL because of course they do but you get my point.
Once again, I'll raise my primary point that the quickest way to peace is with an abundance of oil. For a whole host of reasons. Peace through prosperity. Doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon with Biden once again declaring a fight to the death against the fossil fuel industry.
Ok, so connect the dots for me.
Your idea for the quickest way to an end to the Russia's military action against Ukraine is tied directly to oil and its availability? This will lead to peace? Please enlighten me as to what would be the ideal scenario to achieve that. Allocate all Ukrainian oil & natural gas production to Russia for the next 1, 2, 3, 5 years... or indefinitely? Or is Ukraine supposed to just give up all of their natural resource producing lands to Russia? Seems like that would certainly make Russia prosperous.... Ukraine?.... not so much.
How does Biden's support of alternative sources of energy (which is needed and inevitable though you would prefer to believe otherwise) even factor into a discussion of ending the conflict in Ukraine or maybe you just wanted to vent for venting sake?
...Here in the States we were recently informed that we have a 50 day supply of diesel. No diesel ? The country stops. No trucks, no trains, people freeze to death, especially in the Northeast. Then people starve with no food being shipped. And our asswhipe of a POTUS has drained our strategic reserve for a political ploy making things even more unsure...
you can replenish a lot of gas in 50 days if you set your mind to it. Consumption is also down significantly in 2022 (partly due to a mild autumn). Contrary to the Kremlin's line amplified by Tucker Carlson I believe, we are not too perturbed here in Europe. We are starting from a very high base line and can save a shit ton in gas consumption without it costing too much in the quality of life.
