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samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:41am

JrzyTmata wrote:

this is uncalled for.

Someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?

OK... let's amp it down a bit. He was just being kind in a very overly educated way.

Perhaps a more direct answer without the sarcastic quip could be achieved, though.

May I make an answer as long as my oar is in the water? I am notorious so I'm commenting with the understanding that I am the last person to judge any one's behavior, but I don't remember Beeker ever being racist or anything like that, but there have been times when he's posted things (I cannot remember specifically) and I've kinda gasped and said to myself, "I don't want to speak to him right now." That being said, I like Beaker's being here because he stirs the hidden stuff up from the bottom where it was festering.

JrzyTmata

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:32am

romeotuma wrote:

Stinker is a very smart dude... his only really bad thing was that he used to beat up women, but he doesn't do that anymore... he can be blunt and caustic and alienate himself from people, but he is not motivated to win popularity contests like I am... and also I am politically sane... Stinker is downright diabolical in his political insanity...

but I have to say, I like him, as long as he is not beating up women... he keeps things lively here, and I sometimes secretly giggle at his witty comments...

this is uncalled for.
someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?

lily34

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:04am

pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader. His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist. I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see. The people who don't like him seem to be pretty smart and witty, and I'm inclined to think they are right, but I can't find anything.

i'm with lazy8 and winter, etc.

i'm a big beaker fan. maybe one of few. but they all said it right. make up your own mind. and no, he's no racist nor is a sexist.

winter

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:00am
islander wrote: Does that mean I should stop stalking all of those people you friended on facebook? BTW, I consider myself smart, witty and an excellent judge of character. But I may be wrong on any and all points. So you're the guy that keeps getting in all my surveillance pictures!

islander

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 8:58am

winter wrote:

I don't agree with his politics, but that's neither here nor there. A racist? A misogynist? Hates the poor, the sick, or the handicapped? I've never seen anything that even suggested any of that from him.

In any case, I'd make up my own mind. Being "smart and witty" doesn't necessarily make you a good judge of character, and I'm not sure it's good policy to decide whether you like someone or not based on whether others do. :)

Does that mean I should stop stalking all of those people you friended on facebook?

BTW, I consider myself smart, witty and an excellent judge of character. But I may be wrong on any and all points.

winter

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 8:23am

pjcle wrote:

I don't agree with his politics, but that's neither here nor there. A racist? A misogynist? Hates the poor, the sick, or the handicapped? I've never seen anything that even suggested any of that from him.

In any case, I'd make up my own mind. Being "smart and witty" doesn't necessarily make you a good judge of character, and I'm not sure it's good policy to decide whether you like someone or not based on whether others do. :)

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:53am
smokinsean wrote: Thanks, I needed that!

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:25am

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:17am

islander wrote:

Well said.

I would add that while his politics probably matter more than it should, his style and its consequences have more to do with the lack of defenders. As with most posters, I disagree with some of his stances, but agree with many as well. But I find his bombastic presentation and his willingness to cling ruthlessly to inate minutia boring. I am also bothered by the way he attacks those who question him on a personal and subtly threatening manner. His previous habit of deleting posts always bugged me too, he had an explanation for it but it always seemed awkward.

It's too bad, because I do think he can bring value to the discussion. Unfortunately, he has alienated even those who wish to here his opposing view. I think RP could use a healthy dose of opposing views (and I think that does exist to some extent). I wish everyone (myself included) didn't react by viewing peoples posts through the filter of what party they are believed to originate from. Politics is not a lost cause here or anywhere else. I actually think the fights can help if they are within reason. It shows people have passion, and makes me want to understand why. But as with all things, there are limits that need to be observed. What RP and the rest of the world could use is a bit of compassion, and a willingness to possibly be wrong. Or barring that an acceptance that two divergent views may both be correct.

That's my 2¢, canI have some change?

The nature of modern political style problem solving seems to cause people to lose sight of the objectivity required to make real and
lasting progress because of the staunch and often media/ether driven adherence to ideology and attempts to prop up public perception to the detriment of real change based on common sense...IMO

After all, what party is responsible for electing President Obama? None...the Independents are responsible...and how has this segment of the electorate been addressed in this first year of his administration? Not significantly, as addresses the general distrust with Washington DC style politics that has been building for 40 plus years . Again, IMO.

islander

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:04am

Lazy8 wrote:

pjcle wrote:

I've never been able to see into anyone's heart from a forum post (or even from years of forum posts) but I've never seen a racist/sexist word come out of his keyboard. I've crossed swords with him numerous times but his angry rhetoric tends to blow over quickly enough.

"People" aren't saying this. There are a couple of folks here who go all non-linear at the mention of his name and have made rash accusations before, and probably will again. I can't say he responds all that rationally either, but calling him those particular names reminds me of campus politics in the '80s. Witch hunting. He denies he's a racist? That's proof right there!

People aren't lining up to defend him because his politics aren't popular here, and that matters more than it should. But it's also because he has alienated people who otherwise might.

Make up your own mind. And please feel free to speak it.

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 5:17am

pjcle wrote:

You are right, he was the "Chief" sponsor according to what I read on the internet. Yes, as I was very young, I had to look it up online. I didn't mean to imply that it was ONLY because of him. Anyway, I've heard of bill sponsors and co-sponsors but never "chief" sponsors, so .... if I'm quoting from a bs site, and you want to do the "gotacha" that seems so prevalent these days, I won't protest.

Not into the "gotcha" stuff. (there may be a couple of exceptions, but I am in recovery now {#Wink}

). Just correcting what I recall from living vs. history books. I truly am interested on how history is being written about things I have lived through. I want to see how events are remembered from the many different points of view other than my own.

Keep posting, we need a deep gene pool here. {#Lol}

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:41am
arsenault wrote: NO he is a decent bloke, and he was gone for a while, but now he is back. it is called hyperbole... I too am a relative newbie, but i like him. I AM SPARTACUS!! he has had dust ups here, but it is always entertaining. I've been coming to RP for about gosh, 4 years or something. I just am sporadic. I listen more than I post.

arsenault

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:36am

pjcle wrote:

NO

he is a decent bloke, and he was gone for a while, but now he is back.

it is called hyperbole...

I too am a relative newbie, but i like him.

I AM SPARTACUS!!

he has had dust ups here, but it is always entertaining.

pjcle

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:30am
Thank you

Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:21am

pjcle wrote:

pjcle

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:01am

pjcle

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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 11:27pm

kurtster wrote:

The Viet Nam War was is why 18 year olds got the vote. They were old enough to be drafted, fight and die, therefore they got the right to vote and drink. It was a national tide that swept the nation. I remember. We were gonna get the right to vote, even if we had to burn down the country to get it. The war brought about change, not Kennedy.

The drinking age has since rissen to 21 again, maybe we should do the same with the voting age. The war is over and there is no draft. {#Whistle}

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Edit: I don't need a history book to tell me that, I lived it. Is that how the new revisionist history books explain how 18 year olds got the right to vote, because of only Kennedy ?

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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 10:36pm

lester wrote:

Since learning here of Beaker's white-supremacist views — which have been posted somewhere, I'm sure — I have thought some on the subject.

I'm not so bothered by his expressed bias on the basis of gender — expression which I've not yet found, though I'm sure it's there, somewhere — or his inhumane attitudes towards the disabled (also displayed via a post somewhere, I feel certain). But this recently acquired knowledge of Beaker's negative views on people of color particularly upsets me, since, as I've said before, my own family is such a mixed-race bag:

He's a white sugarist .

lester

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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 10:27pm

Now, in light of this site's published policy, namely:

Please refrain from using racist, violent, or sexual imagery in avatars & forum pictures. . . . We reserve the right to edit or delete any post or avatar without notice.
Failure to follow these guidelines may result in the immediate deletion of the offending posts. Gross or repeated violations will result in the immediate suspension or termination of your posting privileges.

The offensive posts may not be sufficiently numerous to warrant posting privilege suspension/termination, but if this guy's violations have been repeated so much their nature has become common knowledge reflecting an obvious truth, which is probably the case here, I think it's high time for policy enforcement, to rid ourselves of these posts — wherever they may be, that is.

Beanie

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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 8:02pm

Beaker wrote:

I'm taking lester's comments as sarc, and in jest - poking at something Brandon wrote downthread. lester and I go waaay back - in a good way. Not sure if he recalls the incident in question, but I sure do.

If the meaning of his words are actually meant to be what they are on their face, that would surprise me.

Oops, Sorry! I saw the one comment and not the other!

Lester: Sorry, man!

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