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Coaxial

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 8:42am
IIf we are talking influence Carole King can't be ignored...She wrote some of the best music of the 60's for other performers and then recorded an impressive list of songs herself.

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 8:39am

Speaking of women and music...for those who don't know, Lilith Fair returns this summer. {#Jump}

Confirmed acts so far include Sarah McLachlan, Loretta Lynn, Indigo Girls, Beth Orton, Colbie Caillat, Norah Jones, Emmylou Harris, Heart, and a ton of other great acts. I'm really looking forward to seeing this, and can't wait to see which acts will be playing the shows around here. I've seen Sarah once in concert, and she is amazing, I think. Here's a link to the official site for it - http://www.lilithfair.com/ .

meower

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 8:26am

Jimi_the_Saint wrote:

Perhaps as a singer/songwriter, she is equal to Dylan - but by the time Joni came down from the Great White North to sing her folk songs, Dylan had already been there, done that and moved on to pioneer folk-rock. In addidtion, Joni's body of influencial music spans about four albums in my opinion (Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark and For the Roses). Dylan, on the other hand, has a body of influencial music that easily exceeds twice that number of albums. So, those things being said, is Joni Mitchell as important or iconic as Bob Dylan? I don't think so, although I'm a big fan of hers. I'm not even saying that I like Dylan better (OK, I do) - I'm just saying that I believe he is more important to the musical landscape than Joni was.

Aretha, on the other hand - I doubt there is any man that can compare to Aretha. She really had no rival, male or female, in her wheelhouse.

J,

You're missing something here ~ most artists who were influenced by Joni would call you to listen and experience her work with Jaco Pastorius, Don Alias, Pat Methany, Michael Brecker and Lyle Mays.

as in: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Mingus and Shadows and Light.

No, one compares to Dylan and I think it unfair to say that the musician to whom and artist should be compared is Dylan.

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 8:11am
No mention of Chrissy Hynde?

Jimi_the_Saint

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 8:07am

Hairfarmer wrote:

And Joni is easily in the same league as any of the artists in your boy's list.

Perhaps as a singer/songwriter, she is equal to Dylan - but by the time Joni came down from the Great White North to sing her folk songs, Dylan had already been there, done that and moved on to pioneer folk-rock. In addition, Joni's body of influencial music spans about four albums in my opinion (Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark and For the Roses). Dylan, on the other hand, has a body of influencial music that easily exceeds twice that number of albums. So, those things being said, is Joni Mitchell as important or iconic as Bob Dylan? I don't think so, although I'm a big fan of hers. I'm not even saying that I like Dylan better (OK, I do) - I'm just saying that I believe he is more important to the musical landscape than Joni was.

Aretha, on the other hand - I doubt there is any man that can compare to Aretha. She really had no rival, male or female, in her wheelhouse.

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 7:02am
muzik wrote: I don't think Patti Smith is considered pop. Patti Smith, Joan Jett, Heart, Pat Benatar, L7...just a few I can think of that that are considered to be "rock" stars.

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 6:02am
hippiechick wrote: Women's music is often considered to be "pop" music, therefore making it less valuable than even the most mediocre men's music. I don't think Patti Smith is considered pop.

meower

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Posted: Jan 28, 2010 - 5:58am

Hairfarmer wrote:

I feel pretty sure that the only reason there have not been as many female ground-breakers as males, in the professional music industry is because the industry has always been run by men. They're in it as a business and in the early days most producers and record company honchos were pretty much stuck with "Do I like it and do I think it'll sell" when it came to marketing/artist signing decisions. Since they, most likey, dismissed 90% of the female artists who tried to get records made because of not being able to relate to the work of those artists then it's easy to see where the dominance of male artists in the industry came from.

And Joni is easily in the same league as any of the artists in your boy's list.

I agree. and thus men shaped and influenced music.

and, the truth is, I prefer the female vocal sound to the male..... EXspecially in the jazz genre.....

hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 3:26pm

sirdroseph wrote:

I don't agree with you in as far as female vs. male importance to musical landscape. I think those very women and more that you mentioned are equal to the male examples you stated and in general. However, I do for the most part prefer male voices over females in general. This is just a personal preference of mine and no statement to overall gender contributions to musical history. Just my 2 cents.

Women's music is often considered to be "pop" music, therefore making it less valuable than even the most mediocre men's music.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 2:22pm

Jimi_the_Saint wrote:

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway.

I think that women tend to get somewhat overshadowed in the music industry because, historically, there are very few groundbreaking female artists compared to groundbreaking male artists.

Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of many, many female musicians/singers, both from yesteryear and today. I think the musical universe would be boring and stagnant if not for some very important and influencial women like Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Billie Holiday, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin. You could argue that those ladies (and a few more) are as important to the musical landscape as any man, but I would respectfully diasagree. I personally feel that artists like Led Zep, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Monroe, The Beatles, Miles Davis, The Rolling Stones and Robert Johnson have no equal female counterparts. I could possibly include Aretha with those fellas, but that's about as far as I'm willing to concede. And, I'm only talking about modern music. If we go back to the classic masters, it becomes even more one-sided.

My point is that I believe men shaped many of the musical genres that we hold dear today and that the men many people (myself included) consider them to be the pioneers of popular and important music. Is it because women weren't given the same opportunities in the business? I guess it could be a factor, but using sexism as a scapegoat sounds like a bad argument to me.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 2:19pm
Why isn't there a "Women and Music and Beer thread? "

Mot

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 2:10pm

MsJudi wrote:

This might have the effect of throwing gas on a flame, but I think if you had a chance to ask most female musicians who have "made" it in the music business, they will tell you that the reason there aren't MORE of them is plain and simple sexism. Music has classicly been a male-dominated field and despite obvious stand-outs, women have gotten the shorter end of that stick. A lot of women's careers get the pop send-up by the business, resulting in their careers being short and without much merit. The true (female) rockers have to fight through a lot of stereotyping before they are accepted by exces, other musicians and listeners.

Girls Rock Radio

Hairfarmer

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 2:09pm

Jimi_the_Saint wrote:

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway.

Jimi_the_Saint

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 1:25pm

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway.

I think that women tend to get somewhat overshadowed in the music industry because, historically, there are very few groundbreaking female artists compared to groundbreaking male artists.

Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of many, many female musicians/singers, both from yesteryear and today. I think the musical universe would be boring and stagnant if not for some very important and influencial women like Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Billie Holiday, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin. You could argue that those ladies (and a few more) are as important to the musical landscape as any man, but I would respectfully diasagree. I personally feel that artists like Led Zep, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Monroe, The Beatles, Miles Davis, The Rolling Stones and Robert Johnson have no equal female counterparts. I could possibly include Aretha with those fellas, but that's about as far as I'm willing to concede. And, I'm only talking about modern music. If we go back to the classic masters, it becomes even more one-sided.

My point is that I believe men shaped many of the musical genres that we hold dear today and that many people (myself included) consider them to be the pioneers of popular and important music. Is it because women weren't given the same opportunities in the business? I guess it could be a factor, but using sexism as a scapegoat sounds like a bad argument to me.

JRenea

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 12:51pm
cc_rider wrote: Then take either one away, and you've got another fine song. I resemble that remark.

Coaxial

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 12:11pm
winter wrote: I like both. Me too and in that order.

winter

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 12:05pm
I like both.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 8:16am

MsJudi wrote:

To paraphrase Tim Allen ~"Women are smarter than men. Men are pigs. Too bad we own everything"

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 7:35am
jadewahoo wrote: ... add some whisky and you have the makings of a fine country western song. Then take either one away, and you've got another fine song.

meower

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Posted: Jan 27, 2010 - 6:52am
She. Is. SO. Cute.

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