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islander
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:51am |
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aflanigan wrote:Picky,picky. Ballot holes are easier to fix that bullet holes, especially in people.
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islander
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:50am |
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cc_rider wrote: Indeed. http://www.godsarmy.org/Marraige.htm Marriage Under Attack!
- more at the link if you can stomach it.
The lie of homosexuality attempts to weakened the institution of marriage by trying to dilute and defame its purpose. Trying to change the natural use (Romans 1:26-27) which God intended. One man and one woman in covenant relationship for life. Anyone who escapes this awful lie of homosexuality (I was born that way) is truly blessed. You see, God did not make any mistakes. Submit yourself to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you! (James 4:7). Interesting that he does admit to being "born that way". Edit: This reads weird, the point I'm brining up is the militaristic language and imagery used in many churches.
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aflanigan
Location: At Sea Gender:
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:49am |
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islander wrote: I still prefer the governance structure with the regularly scheduled elections and orderly transitions of power.
Picky,picky.
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R_P
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:46am |
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miamizsun wrote:both mythologies the difference in the US is that churches don't have militarized goon squads commanded by self anointed god-like rulers....yet. You have religious goon squads in the military...
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cc_rider
Location: Bastrop Gender:
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:44am |
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miamizsun wrote:both mythologies the difference in the US is that churches don't have militarized goon squads commanded by self anointed god-like rulers.... yet. Indeed.
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islander
Location: West coast somewhere Gender:
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:42am |
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miamizsun wrote:both mythologies the difference in the US is that churches don't have militarized goon squads commanded by self anointed god-like rulers....yet. MILITARIZE transitive verb 1: to give a military character to 2: to equip with military forces and defenses 3: to adapt for military use 1mil·i·tary adj Ëmi-lÉ-Ëter-Ä 1 a : of or relating to soldiers, arms, or war b : of or relating to armed forces; especially : of or relating to ground or sometimes ground and air forces as opposed to naval forces With the exception of "arms", I'd say most churches are fairly militarized. Many refer to themselves as "God(tm)'s army" or "soldiers of the lord", and many are "at war" with evil/heathens/sin... I still prefer the governance structure with the regularly scheduled elections and orderly transitions of power.
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miamizsun
Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:34am |
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oldslabsides wrote:
I'll get yelled at for this but for some the state is god. many don't realize/will never admit that, but it's true nonetheless.
both mythologies the difference in the US is that churches don't have militarized goon squads commanded by self anointed god-like rulers....yet.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:26am |
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miamizsun wrote: hundreds of millions murdered (democide) trillions up trillions stolen and forced at gun point to cooperate in their scams.
yeah, i think i'll vote for that.
(talk about indoctrination! and i thought gods were detrimental. seems we can't just leave bad enough alone)
I'll get yelled at for this but for some the state is god. many don't realize/will never admit that, but it's true nonetheless.
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miamizsun
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Feb 10, 2011 - 9:12am |
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oldslabsides wrote: fair and equitable government is no less a fallacy/fantasy.
hundreds of millions murdered (democide) trillions up trillions stolen and forced at gun point to cooperate in their scams. yeah, i think i'll vote for that. (talk about indoctrination! and i thought gods were detrimental. seems we can't just leave bad enough alone)
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Feb 9, 2011 - 6:10pm |
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aflanigan wrote: Like I said, I understand well that libertarian ideology holds that if we just eliminate all rules and regulations, the free market will supposedly self regulate and make everything hunky dory. This notion ignores human nature. Businesses that see an opportunity to game the system regardless of the absence of rules (such as by setting up a trust) will usually not hesitate to do so. It is in their self interest to take whatever advantage they can obtain. Free market competition that is fair and equitable is a fallacy IMO. fair and equitable government is no less a fallacy/fantasy.
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R_P
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Feb 9, 2011 - 6:08pm |
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aflanigan wrote:(...) Free market competition that is fair and equitable is a fallacy fantasy IMO.
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aflanigan
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Feb 9, 2011 - 6:01pm |
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miamizsun wrote: When the current system is run by politicians holding for sale signs, businesses, especially those seeking a legal leg up on their competition, or sweetheart government contracts, will bite. If we level the playing field by eliminating government corruption, then free market competition will enable all businesses to compete which usually ensures the best product at the best price (and a fair shot without political discrimination).
Like I said, I understand well that libertarian ideology holds that if we just eliminate all rules and regulations, the free market will supposedly self regulate and make everything hunky dory. This notion ignores human nature. Businesses that see an opportunity to game the system regardless of the absence of rules (such as by setting up a trust) will usually not hesitate to do so. It is in their self interest to take whatever advantage they can obtain. Free market competition that is fair and equitable is a fallacy IMO.
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R_P
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Feb 9, 2011 - 5:34pm |
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miamizsun wrote:(...) speaking of war, why do countries invade?
To bring democracy of course...
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miamizsun
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Feb 9, 2011 - 4:52pm |
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RichardPrins wrote:Because it is utopian (or possibly dystopian) and insular (if not parochial). A country 'ruled' by anarchism (not necessarily anarchy) would likely be no match for countries with other systems.
well you gotta have nukes, cause no country has ever been attack/invaded when they have had nukes. or if you're swiss, i think. srsly, there's been a quite a bit of discussion about why countries do or don't invade. speaking of war, why do countries invade? regards
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R_P
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Feb 9, 2011 - 4:38pm |
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Because it is utopian (or possibly dystopian) and insular (if not parochial). A country 'ruled' by anarchism (not necessarily anarchy) would likely be no match for countries with other systems.
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miamizsun
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Feb 9, 2011 - 4:29pm |
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aflanigan wrote:It seems to me that this sort of dispute resolution framework suffers from the same fundamental flaw that underlies libertarianism: A reliance upon the assumption that, no matter how powerful or wealthy, people (or corporations) will behave themselves. It's a fatally naive assumption IMO.
When the current system is run by politicians holding for sale signs, businesses, especially those seeking a legal leg up on their competition, or sweetheart government contracts, will bite. If we level the playing field by eliminating government corruption, then free market competition will enable all businesses to compete which usually ensures the best product at the best price (and a fair shot without political discrimination).
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aflanigan
Location: At Sea Gender:
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Feb 7, 2011 - 12:17pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: Just as the idea that government - if composed of the correct, morally upstanding people - will behave itself. I don't like one power structure any better than the other.
The difference is that a constitutional government such as ours provides a recorded (written) framework within which the behavior of everyone - individuals, corporations, elected officials - can be viewed to see if everyone is playing by the rules. And it concentrates power (which unfortunately lends itself to corruption) in order to compel compliance when people and corporations don't follow the rules. But you're right, misbehavior by government officials can lead to great harm. Our democratic system is indeed a flawed one, but until a better one can be devised, I'll stick with it.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Feb 7, 2011 - 10:42am |
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aflanigan wrote:
It seems to me that this sort of dispute resolution framework suffers from the same fundamental flaw that underlies libertarianism: A reliance upon the assumption that, no matter how powerful or wealthy, people (or corporations) will behave themselves. It's a fatally naive assumption IMO.
Just as the idea that government - if composed of the correct, morally upstanding people - will behave itself. I don't like one power structure any better than the other.
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aflanigan
Location: At Sea Gender:
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Feb 7, 2011 - 10:36am |
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miamizsun wrote: As I understand this framework, DROs are hired arbiters by two or more people, who have voluntarily entered into a contract, to settle possible (future) disputes. (I think DROs hire security or collection agents to perform this task if all else fails.) So Stan defaults, Molyneux says DROs are well within their right to remove property by force, per Bob and Stan's endorsement, which could be a easy as towing a vehicle or as difficult as eviction. If you read on (or any of his other stuff) he points toward the preferred method of non-violent incentive - economic ostracization. Stan also realizes that he becomes the aggressor by taking (or refusing to return) someone's property that he didn't pay for. This whole scenario also assumes that there is no appeal which he says is unlikely.
Regards
It seems to me that this sort of dispute resolution framework suffers from the same fundamental flaw that underlies libertarianism: A reliance upon the assumption that, no matter how powerful or wealthy, people (or corporations) will behave themselves. It's a fatally naive assumption IMO.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 4, 2011 - 4:56pm |
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cc_rider wrote:In the abstract, in our complex world, I tend to agree. But boil it down to something very simple, like an argument between neighbors over, say, a fruit tree that hangs over the other's property. They argue about who owns what fruit, but one of the neighbors has a terrible stutter, so it's very difficult for the poor guy to get his point across. So he hires someone to listen to his problem 'offline' when his stuttering is not exacerbated by stress, and then the 'speaker' argues for him.
Of course that's a gross oversimplification (I'm very good at those), but the idea is, sometimes you need somebody to speak for you. Now that our legal system has gotten too complex for anyone to really understand, it's even more important for someone who is familiar with the system (such as it is) to speak for you. Lawyers are one of the many necessary evils of a civilized society, at least one that's as large as ours.
Actually its a great example. Lawyers are sometimes called paid advocates, as well as many other things, but this is one of the nicer ones.
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