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1) I didnât suggest action except to recognize (and presumably act upon) that our elections system is untrustworthy. Needs fixinâ
2) No, you can bitch anytime the problem hasnât been addressed. Doesnât have a statute of limitations. I still bitch about things in the past that havenât been rectified, hoping that theyâll be fixed just to shut me up.
1) I think our elections system could use some help, but it's generally reliable. The main problem is that it is scaled and calibrated for large percentages of the population being engaged and active. The bad actors figured out it was easier to impact the voters than the votes, and a small group of voters is an easier target. Adjust the voting system and you have the same problem with the voters. Adjust the voters and things work as intended.
2) I guess. I'm just not sure that's a good channel for the energy. Let's say you get everything you want out of this, Elon admits his crew did it, Trump says he asked him to, they both acknowledge on live TV that they did it, Elon's little bullet shield says "see, told you so". What changes? He's still president. The justice department will still do nothing. The house won't impeach, the senate won't convict. He'll still put another judge on the court. The vast majority of his voters will probably cheer and vote for him again (originalist, amendments don't count).
Better to stand up some structures that are true opposition. Get the moral people engaged again. Start mending the fences that are smashed and tattered. Get some people who will pursue criminal charges against people who have clearly broken the law. Claw back some of the grift. Make people think twice about doing it again (they will, but they should know there might be consequences).
I saw Jonathan a few weeks ago at the Warhol museum and he extended it out to triple its length including extra verses and his usual acting out. Wonderful stuff.
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Mar 18, 2026 - 7:12am
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
so that's why the girls would turn the color of an avocado!
Always wondered.
I saw Jonathan a few weeks ago at the Warhol museum and he extended it out to triple its length including extra verses and his usual acting out. Wonderful stuff.
Really? From the adjudicated rapist who wonât show us his grades, the felon who has âthe best words,â and the loser who says âexcursionâ when the right word is âincursion,â we now give youâ¦âStraightâ instead of âStrait.â
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@realDonaldTrump
I wonder what would happen if we "finished off" what's left of the Iranian Terror State, and let the Countries that use it, we don't, be responsible for the so called "Straight?" That would get some of our non-responsive "Allies"
in gear, and fast!!! President DJT
If we don't use it...why are gas prices up 30% in a month? Idiot.
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Mar 18, 2026 - 5:54am
Really? From the adjudicated rapist who wonât show us his grades, the felon who has âthe best words,â and the loser who says âexcursionâ when the right word is âincursion,â we now give youâ¦âStraightâ instead of âStrait.â
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Donald J. Trump *
@realDonaldTrump
I wonder what would happen if we "finished off" what's left of the Iranian Terror State, and let the Countries that use it, we don't, be responsible for the so called "Straight?" That would get some of our non-responsive "Allies"
in gear, and fast!!! President DJT
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Mar 17, 2026 - 5:35pm
islander wrote:
But even if it were proven, the process right now would be what? Have the justice department go after people involved? that's not going to happen. Have them promise to be better next time?
The time to bitch was last year.
1) I didnât suggest action except to recognize (and presumably act upon) that our elections system is untrustworthy. Needs fixinâ
2) No, you can bitch anytime the problem hasnât been addressed. Doesnât have a statute of limitations. I still bitch about things in the past that havenât been rectified, hoping that theyâll be fixed just to shut me up.
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Mar 17, 2026 - 5:32pm
Trump Says Endorsement in Texas G.O.P. Senate Fight Is Imminent
Dateline March 4 2026 NYT
And then he didnât endorse either of them by the deadline - #TACO
trump cannot be counted on to fulfill his promises or commitments or contracts or wedding vows.
Well, it throws cold water on anyoneâs suggestion that thereâs a national mandate for the failed real estate salesman. Reinforces the idea that heâs a cheater. Practically: it cements the idea that our elections are at risk from many aspects. Gives more impetus to abolishing the Electoral College (harder to fake things if weâre not voting for electors by state).
Thereâs an important parallel story to this obvious fraud: the Democrats didnât follow up on it, just rolled over. They abandoned the nation when it was imperative that they didnât.
That said: trump is a felon rapist loser. We shouldnât lose sight of the fact that Democratic infighting is why they lose. Republicans obviously hold their nose and vote as a block for their candidate, no matter if he was best friends with a child rapist and human trafficker. That shows you how little âmoralityâ means to the party.
But even if it were proven, the process right now would be what? Have the justice department go after people involved? that's not going to happen. Have them promise to be better next time?
The time to bitch was last year. Yes, don't throw in the towel. We did fine for weeks while Gore and Bush argued their cases, Hillary and Harris should have done the same. Once you concede, it's over. A big part of why I'll vote Democrat when Trump is on the ticket, but I don't consider myself a Democrat. I'm all for infighting and arguments at party level, but on election day, it's all in and don't stop pushing until you have a clear winner. If you have conviction in your cause it shouldn't be that hard. That we can barely motivate 2/3rds of the country to vote is pathetic. That we accept what we have been given the last few decades is even worse. Yeah, yeah, citizens united.... whatever, there is a way to win. I'm not sure if it is too late or not, but a lot of people who are vested in the system don't seem to be to concerned with making it work.
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Mar 17, 2026 - 4:15pm
islander wrote:
Not unlike trumps endless re-litigation of 2020 - so what? The time to throw the flag was a year ago. The way to combat it is to have a good enough candidate that a solid majority will show up and the results will be beyond any manipulation without some pretty obvious evidence. The concession 'for the good of the country' is bullshit. If only one side is 'playing by the rules', then the game needs a reset.
Well, it throws cold water on anyoneâs suggestion that thereâs a national mandate for the failed real estate salesman. Reinforces the idea that heâs a cheater. Practically: it cements the idea that our elections are at risk from many aspects. Gives more impetus to abolishing the Electoral College (harder to fake things if weâre not voting for electors by state).
Thereâs an important parallel story to this obvious fraud: the Democrats didnât follow up on it, just rolled over. They abandoned the nation when it was imperative that they didnât.
That said: trump is a felon rapist loser. We shouldnât lose sight of the fact that Democratic infighting is why they lose. Republicans obviously hold their nose and vote as a block for their candidate, no matter if he was best friends with a child rapist and human trafficker. That shows you how little âmoralityâ means to the party.
Not unlike trumps endless re-litigation of 2020 - so what? The time to throw the flag was a year ago. The way to combat it is to have a good enough candidate that a solid majority will show up and the results will be beyond any manipulation without some pretty obvious evidence. The concession 'for the good of the country' is bullshit. If only one side is 'playing by the rules', then the game needs a reset.
88 counties flipped red. None flipped blue. Trump swept every swing stateâeach just above the mandatory recount thresholds. What are the odds? About one in never.
the foremost expert in election forensics, Dr. Walter Mebane, backed it up. His eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. Of those, 111,088 were identified with high confidence as intentional, malevolent manipulations.
And thatâs just the data. It doesnât even include the tens of thousands of voters still reporting their ballots as unaccounted for.
Not unlike trumps endless re-litigation of 2020 - so what? The time to throw the flag was a year ago. The way to combat it is to have a good enough candidate that a solid majority will show up and the results will be beyond any manipulation without some pretty obvious evidence. The concession 'for the good of the country' is bullshit. If only one side is 'playing by the rules', then the game needs a reset.
88 counties flipped red. None flipped blue. Trump swept every swing stateâeach just above the mandatory recount thresholds. What are the odds? About one in never.
the foremost expert in election forensics, Dr. Walter Mebane, backed it up. His eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. Of those, 111,088 were identified with high confidence as intentional, malevolent manipulations.
And thatâs just the data. It doesnât even include the tens of thousands of voters still reporting their ballots as unaccounted for.
