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If the facts bear this out for the 400, the parallel would be the lack of intent.
The other 6200 who were registered but did not vote clearly did not engage in fraud. Any suggestion otherwise is propaganda and exploitation. I agree with your reasoning that what happened in New Jersey âdoesnât support the notion that our elections are âat riskâ and need federal intervention.â
I'm not defending them "breaking the law", but if you look at the complexity of the process (of voting) and how few citizens really understand it (see: MAGA+)...
Imagine you're here, legally, working your way through the citizenship or visa process. I've worked with people doing it, and it's a maze of complexity and confusion. In the mail, you get a voter registration packet that automatically comes when you got your driver's license from the DMV. It's entirely reasonable to assume that this is just another step in your 12 year, $30,000 process of becoming a US citizen.
This is proof that the system works. Slowly. Inefficiently. But it ultimately limits risk to large scale election fraud. The biggest risk of election fraud is the guy running around talking about a stolen election with zero proof, and the congress who won't tell the emperor he's naked.
While we're on the subject of the Emperor's naked self....
He and the administration are so dumb that they prove they're lying without even knowing it.
Last Thursday (and several times since), Trump said the "deep state" was suppressing information...hiding it from him...that China was targeting US elections.
John Ratcliffe, the current CIA Director, was then the DNI. He oversaw the President's Daily Briefing then. If he kept shit from Trump.... HE IS THE DEEP STATE.
or... there was no credible evidence of this in 2020, and it's all just a lie?
So are you the Deep State or lying Mr. Trump? Drain the swamp!!!
400 is not nothing. It's 0.00925514372% of the total votes though, so any businessman or statistician will tell you that the literal cost of eliminating those 400 will bankrupt New Jersey. They blame the Motor Voter bill? I didn't read it. Fix that loophole and there will be other holes. And when you consider that New Jersey might be the worst in the nation (or they wouldn't be held up as a bad example, right?), the problem is even less significant. Of course you'll come at me with an "every vote counts" argument and sure that's right but any actuary will tell you that 0.00925514372% is not worth correcting. "Worth" meaning the actual dollar cost of eliminating an error so tiny.
A friend said every bureaucracy needs a capacity for abuse, otherwise nothing gets done. This activity had absolutely no effect on the elections and I'm far more concerned about ensuring that everyone who has a legal right to vote is allowed and encouraged to do so without excessive roadblocks in their way. Things that republicans are happy to do.
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Posted:
Jul 23, 2026 - 1:32pm
rgio wrote:
There is no perfect system, but that doesn't mean that the results of elections are flawed. If non-citizens vote...deport them. Voting rights for felons is an entirely different issue.
Since this is the Trump thread... There's a guy who argued that Mar-a-lago was a club that he didn't live at for real estate purposes, and then used that address to vote from and claim residency when he left NY. It's financially wrong, but it didn't tip any elections.
If the facts bear this out for the 400, the parallel would be the lack of intent.
The other 6200 who were registered but did not vote clearly did not engage in fraud. Any suggestion otherwise is propaganda and exploitation. I agree with your reasoning that what happened in New Jersey âdoesnât support the notion that our elections are âat riskâ and need federal intervention.â
Although cleared by a hack county election supervisor, his registration is still technically a violation. It is a violation of the same caliber that has been used to go after many other people who did not commit the crimes willfully. So it is especially hypocritical for him to continue to use the loophole while screaming about 'fraud'. Also notable, he cast a mail-in ballot while screaming about people using mail-in ballots.
We agree, on not only his hypocrisy, but of those who defend his actions. When you can't agree on facts, what's the point.
There is no perfect system, but that doesn't mean that the results of elections are flawed. If non-citizens vote...deport them. Voting rights for felons is an entirely different issue.
Since this is the Trump thread... There's a guy who argued that Mar-a-lago was a club that he didn't live at for real estate purposes, and then used that address to vote from and claim residency when he left NY. It's financially wrong, but it didn't tip any elections.
Although cleared by a hack county election supervisor, his registration is still technically a violation. It is a violation of the same caliber that has been used to go after many other people who did not commit the crimes willfully. So it is especially hypocritical for him to continue to use the loophole while screaming about 'fraud'. Also notable, he cast a mail-in ballot while screaming about people using mail-in ballots.
There appear to be parallels here between the 400 noncitizens who voted in New Jersey after this computer glitch resulted in their being registered to vote and some felons in Florida who were prosecuted for illegally voting even though they had been incorrectly certified as eligible by the state.
There is no perfect system, but that doesn't mean that the results of elections are flawed. If non-citizens vote...deport them. Voting rights for felons is an entirely different issue.
Since this is the Trump thread... There's a guy who argued that Mar-a-lago was a club that he didn't live at for real estate purposes, and then used that address to vote from and claim residency when he left NY. It's financially wrong, but it didn't tip any elections.
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Posted:
Jul 23, 2026 - 10:25am
rgio wrote:
It's real. You can't attack him for his refusal to accept/address facts and then ignore the ones he (and others below) presents.
An immaterial mistake in NJ doesn't support the notion that our elections are "at risk" and need federal supervision. All of this is practice to invalidate the mid-term and presidential election results that the Republicans don't like.
There appear to be parallels here between the 400 noncitizens who voted in New Jersey after this computer glitch resulted in their being registered to vote and some felons in Florida who were prosecuted for illegally voting even though they had been incorrectly certified as eligible by the state.
So prosecute them. Assuming it actually happened. There, 400 (or 30, try and sort that out, will you?) non-citizens you now have an excuse to deport! They even gave you their names and addresses. Go pick 'em up.
Unless the whole thing is fake and you're just making it up to gin up outrage in the anti-immigrant base because it won't stand up in court.
It's real. You can't attack him for his refusal to accept/address facts and then ignore the ones he (and others below) presents.
An immaterial mistake in NJ doesn't support the notion that our elections are "at risk" and need federal supervision. All of this is practice to invalidate the mid-term and presidential election results that the Republicans don't like.
White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said New Jerseyâs news underscores the importance of the SAVE America Act, a bill that proposes to restrict voter access by adding requirements to register and cast ballots, including photo IDs. Trump supports passage of the bill but it has yet to clear Congress.
âDemocrats and their media allies have repeatedly said it is impossible for noncitizens to register to vote, let alone cast a ballot. Time and again, they have been proven wrong,â Jackson said.
The Trump administration is suing New Jersey in federal court for access to the stateâs unredacted voter rolls.
New Jersey Republicans are calling for investigations and for an end to automatic voter registration at motor vehicle locations.
âTo protect the sanctity of our elections, we must end automatic voter registration at every MVC immediately,â state Sen. Mike Testa (R-Cumberland) posted on social media.
The New Jersey GOP last month said it had identified hundreds of non-citizens who had been registered to vote and at least 30 cases of them illegally casting votes, citing a âkey vulnerabilityâ at the Motor Vehicle Commission. On Tuesday, the partyâs chair, Christine Giordano Hanlon, texted a New Jersey Monitor reporter about Sherrillâs revelations.
So prosecute them. Assuming it actually happened. There, 400 (or 30, try and sort that out, will you?) non-citizens you now have an excuse to deport! They even gave you their names and addresses. Go pick 'em up.
Unless the whole thing is fake and you're just making it up to gin up outrage in the anti-immigrant base because it won't stand up in court.
400 is not nothing. It's 0.00925514372% of the total votes though, so any businessman or statistician will tell you that the literal cost of eliminating those 400 will bankrupt New Jersey. They blame the Motor Voter bill? I didn't read it. Fix that loophole and there will be other holes. And when you consider that New Jersey might be the worst in the nation (or they wouldn't be held up as a bad example, right?), the problem is even less significant. Of course you'll come at me with an "every vote counts" argument and sure that's right but any actuary will tell you that 0.00925514372% is not worth correcting. "Worth" meaning the actual dollar cost of eliminating an error so tiny.
I was going to post something when this came out 2 days ago, but figured I'd leave it for Kurt... who never fails to fall in line with the Republican propaganda.
What's important is your commentary. Found it last week, fired the vendor, fixed the voter registration, issue addressed.
The registrants in NJ were on the Democrat, Republican, and Independent rolls. They were scattered across our 21 counties and 560 municipalities. It's theoretically possible that a local election was impacted (not something that will ever be determined based on the insane complexity in voting in NJ... a long discussion for another day), but it's statistically very unlikely.
This is an example of the system working... in defense of the democracy.
400 is not nothing. It's 0.00925514372% of the total votes though, so any businessman or statistician will tell you that the literal cost of eliminating those 400 will bankrupt New Jersey. They blame the Motor Voter bill? I didn't read it. Fix that loophole and there will be other holes. And when you consider that New Jersey might be the worst in the nation (or they wouldn't be held up as a bad example, right?), the problem is even less significant. Of course you'll come at me with an "every vote counts" argument and sure that's right but any actuary will tell you that 0.00925514372% is not worth correcting. "Worth" meaning the actual dollar cost of eliminating an error so tiny.
The article indicates that the error was caused by a "software glitch" and not a determined effort by non-voters to game or cheat the voting system. Non-citizens, when applying for a driver's license or ID, indicated on a form that they were not citizens. The software ignored that and stated they were eligible to vote. Apparently the applications were not cross-checked to a database of the Division of Elections to verify eligibility to vote.
The state and the Motor Vehicle Commission should have caught and addressed the error more quickly, but the error existed only for a year.
About 6,600 non-citizens were registered to vote in New Jersey because of a software glitch in the state Motor Vehicle Commissionâs automatic voter registration system, and about 400 of them cast ballots, Gov. Mikie Sherrill said Tuesday.
Sherrill, who said the error began in June 2023 and was not fixed until a year later, said the state has no evidence at this time that any elections were swayed. She noted that the error occurred when her predecessor, Phil Murphy, was governor. Sherrill assumed office in January.
âThis entire situation is unacceptable,â Sherrill said. âItâs unacceptable that the vendor released software with such a glaring error. Itâs unacceptable that the MVC took a year to get this issue fixed, and itâs unacceptable that no one, in the previous administration, brought this to light, demanded accountability.â
Sherrill said she learned about the issue just last week, is investigating the software error, and will make the probeâs findings public.
A spokesman for Murphy, like Sherrill a Democrat, did not return a request for comment.
Sherrill said the error happened when some non-citizens applied for driverâs licenses or identification cards at the Motor Vehicle Commission and were asked if they wanted to register to vote. They indicated on a form that they were non-citizens, but the software marked them as citizens eligible to vote anyway, Sherrill said.
Idemia, the state vendor identified by Sherrill on Tuesday, sent an unsigned statement defending its work with the Motor Vehicle Commission and placing blame for any voter registration mistakes with state officials.
âIdemiaâs role is to transmit information through the motor vehicle system. The voter registration information is transmitted to the New Jersey Department of State, Division of Elections, which is ultimately responsible for verifying eligibility to vote. Information submitted by Idemia must still be validated and adjudicated by the Division of Elections,â the statement reads.
Sherrill said Idemiaâs software would be phased out.
White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said New Jerseyâs news underscores the importance of the SAVE America Act, a bill that proposes to restrict voter access by adding requirements to register and cast ballots, including photo IDs. Trump supports passage of the bill but it has yet to clear Congress.
âDemocrats and their media allies have repeatedly said it is impossible for noncitizens to register to vote, let alone cast a ballot. Time and again, they have been proven wrong,â Jackson said.
The Trump administration is suing New Jersey in federal court for access to the stateâs unredacted voter rolls.
New Jersey Republicans are calling for investigations and for an end to automatic voter registration at motor vehicle locations.
âTo protect the sanctity of our elections, we must end automatic voter registration at every MVC immediately,â state Sen. Mike Testa (R-Cumberland) posted on social media.
The New Jersey GOP last month said it had identified hundreds of non-citizens who had been registered to vote and at least 30 cases of them illegally casting votes, citing a âkey vulnerabilityâ at the Motor Vehicle Commission. On Tuesday, the partyâs chair, Christine Giordano Hanlon, texted a New Jersey Monitor reporter about Sherrillâs revelations.
400 is not nothing. It's 0.00925514372% of the total votes though, so any businessman or statistician will tell you that the literal cost of eliminating those 400 will bankrupt New Jersey. They blame the Motor Voter bill? I didn't read it. Fix that loophole and there will be other holes. And when you consider that New Jersey might be the worst in the nation (or they wouldn't be held up as a bad example, right?), the problem is even less significant. Of course you'll come at me with an "every vote counts" argument and sure that's right but any actuary will tell you that 0.00925514372% is not worth correcting. "Worth" meaning the actual dollar cost of eliminating an error so tiny.
White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said New Jerseyâs news underscores the importance of the SAVE America Act, a bill that proposes to restrict voter access by adding requirements to register and cast ballots, including photo IDs. Trump supports passage of the bill but it has yet to clear Congress.
âDemocrats and their media allies have repeatedly said it is impossible for noncitizens to register to vote, let alone cast a ballot. Time and again, they have been proven wrong,â Jackson said.
The Trump administration is suing New Jersey in federal court for access to the stateâs unredacted voter rolls.
New Jersey Republicans are calling for investigations and for an end to automatic voter registration at motor vehicle locations.
âTo protect the sanctity of our elections, we must end automatic voter registration at every MVC immediately,â state Sen. Mike Testa (R-Cumberland) posted on social media.
The New Jersey GOP last month said it had identified hundreds of non-citizens who had been registered to vote and at least 30 cases of them illegally casting votes, citing a âkey vulnerabilityâ at the Motor Vehicle Commission. On Tuesday, the partyâs chair, Christine Giordano Hanlon, texted a New Jersey Monitor reporter about Sherrillâs revelations.
