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Your narrow spoon fed thinking has you believing that only an attack on the continental US would qualify as a direct attack on the US.
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Aren't you the America First guy? What threat is worth $1B a day plus increased economic pressure in the US? Who were they going to bomb....and how were they going to get it there? Broaden the spoon for me with your evolved geopolitical acumen.
A final thought for the night ... if you want to go down this road then we need to start talking about Persia, not Iran. Just like you want to refer to Palestine ...
g'night.
oh shucks, why not just go straight back to Darius the Great
(He was the first guy to use monotheism to consolidate the power of the state)
A final thought dodge for the night ... if you want to go down this road then we need to start talking about Persia, not Iran. Just like you want to refer to Palestine ...
Lying by omission. The US/UK started it in 1953 when you took away their democracy and installed a dictator. For oil. The Iranian people had a revolution (which Americans should be able to appreciate) in 1979, and worked hard to ensure you won't do it to them again. You started this.
A final thought for the night ... if you want to go down this road then we need to start talking about Persia, not Iran. Just like you want to refer to Palestine ...
So sad that you blindly take the Iranians at their word. They have done nothing but lie, cheat and stall during all of their negotiations in the past 47 years.
In all of this time, they succeeded in their goal of obtaining appeasement. Rather simple and so obvious if you examine all of the negotiations over all of these years.
These are theocrats whose religion states and encourages lying to the Infidel as a worthy religious means to an end.
They just killed 30 plus thousand of their own people on the streets like dogs, not taking into account all those arrested and executed within the prisons.
But you're okay with them and see them as the poor missundertood good guys in all of this.
ymwv, of course.
oh you are quite right about the Iranian regime being assholes. That doesn't change the analysis. I get that Trump was probably thinking he could leverage local unrest to encourage regime change. But bombing shit out of the infrastructure of a massively large city that is already suffering from a crippling drought is not a good way to do it. Nor is partnering with the long-term enemy of the nation (Israel), nor is the history of the UK and later the US siding on the side of the oil industry helpful. Instead, Trump has given the regime a "rally-round-the-flag" moment.
I doubt many people would like to side with the perceived invaders, even if they do hate their own regime.
So sad that you blindly take the Iranians at their word. They have done nothing but lie, cheat and stall during all of their negotiations in the past 47 years.
In all of this time, they succeeded in their goal of obtaining appeasement. Rather simple and so obvious if you examine all of the negotiations over all of these years.
These are theocrats whose religion states and encourages lying to the Infidel as a worthy religious means to an end.
They just killed 30 plus thousand of their own people on the streets like dogs, not taking into account all those arrested and executed within the prisons.
But you're okay with them and see them as the poor missundertood good guys in all of this.
ymwv, of course.
I see that you added thoughts after posting your link and while I was composing this. The above only addresses your original post. I haven't read what you added and it will have to wait until tomorrow. I need to get to bed now as I have a 5 hour long monthly appointment with a big recliner in about 7 hours.
This war, battle, excursion or whatever you want to call it has been 47 years in the making. Every POTUS since and including Carter has been making promises at the same time they kicked the can down the road. Trump is just making good on all the until now, empty promises made over the decades.
And as most of us know, timing is everything and push came to shove.
Personally, I see this as a now or never moment. And unlike most of the thinking on display here, I think that Iran are the bad guys in this, not us. They started this 47 years ago and we are finishing it, finally. The wheel has turned one full revolution now.
Lying by omission. The US/UK started it in 1953 when you took away their democracy and installed a dictator. For oil. The Iranian people had a revolution (which Americans should be able to appreciate) in 1979, and worked hard to ensure you won't do it to them again. You started this.
This war, battle, excursion or whatever you want to call it has been 47 years in the making. Every POTUS since and including Carter has been making promises at the same time they kicked the can down the road. Trump is just making good on all the until now, empty promises made over the decades.
And as most of us know, timing is everything and push came to shove.
Personally, I see this as a now or never moment. And unlike most of the thinking on display here, I think that Iran are the bad guys in this, not us. They started this 47 years ago and we are finishing it, finally. The wheel has turned one full revolution now.
The trouble with US policy in the Middle East is that it your decision-makers are getting pushed around by a bunch of foreign actors, not just Israel but also Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, the international oil industry etc. , etc., none of whom have US national interest at heart.
Had you instead stood for fairness, female emancipation, democracy and civil rights and all the other things that people (used to) identify with the US, you could have used soft power to achieve a lot. Instead you got your hands dirty multiple times taking sides in a region where affiliations are intractable and constantly shifting.
bombing shit out of people is not normally a good way to win friends.
I see no denial of the claim that Iran has enough material to make 11 bombs or whatever you want to call them. Just a denial of what actually transpired at the meeting in question. And from anonymous sources which are always so reliable ...
They have the material, which was enriched after Trump broke the JCPOA, and offered it in exchange for a new agreement. The Iranians have the right to enrich, and work with IAEA and NPT. Unlike nuclear-armed Israel with its ~200 nuclear weapons. The Trump/Fox fear-mongering can't be helped. Every US war needs it. And there are always cheerleaders helping it spread. 1984 (irony), fooled for 40+ years now:
You're close to right but it is irrelevant.
This war, battle, excursion or whatever you want to call it has been 47 years in the making. Every POTUS since and including Carter has been making promises at the same time they kicked the can down the road. Trump is just making good on all the until now, empty promises made over the decades.
And as most of us know, timing is everything and push came to shove.
Personally, I see this as a now or never moment. And unlike most of the thinking on display here, I think that Iran are the bad guys in this, not us. They started this 47 years ago and we are finishing it, finally. The wheel has turned one full revolution now.
I'm sorry that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
I guess that you don't remember seeing the pre bombing satellite images of all of the trucks lined up at one of the facilities. The speculation then was that the Iranians were moving already processed material to a new and unknown location in anticipation of the coming attack on the enrichment facilities. That would be the source for making bombs would it not ?
When the Iranian foreign minister made the claim of having enough material for 11 warheads it was also concluded that it would take only about 10 weeks to make them operational. Common sense would equate 10 weeks to be the same as an immanent threat.
You and everyone else here also seem to ignore that should the Iranians nuke our largest Middle Eastern base in Bahrain which has about 10,000 personnel stationed and is also within spitting distance from Iran would equate to a direct attack on the US.
Your narrow spoon fed thinking has you believing that only an attack on the continental US would qualify as a direct attack on the US.
You need to turn off your phone and your news feeds and start thinking for yourself ... if you remember how ...
This admin has not presented sufficient evidence to justify this war. And yes it is a war. Hell, they keep changing the reason they're attacking. At least GW Bush was consistent when he led us into a war we never had to fight.
And oh look. Trump's still all over the Epstein files and the evidence that he raped a 13 year-old girl has come back in the news. What BS craziness will Trump come up with next to distract people from his sex crimes?
I see no denial of the claim that Iran has enough material to make 11 bombs or whatever you want to call them. Just a denial of what actually transpired at the meeting in question. And from anonymous sources which are always so reliable ...
They have the material, which was enriched after Trump broke the JCPOA, and offered it in exchange for a new agreement.
The Iranians have the right to enrich, and work with IAEA and NPT. Unlike nuclear-armed Israel with its ~200 nuclear weapons.
The Trump/Fox fear-mongering can't be helped. Every US war needs it. And there are always cheerleaders willing to jump on the bandwagon to spread it around.
If Iran wanted nukes they'd only have to ask their North Koreans friends.
I see no denial of the claim that Iran has enough material to make 11 bombs or whatever you want to call them. Just a denial of what actually transpired at the meeting in question. And from anonymous sources which are always so reliable ...
I'm sorry that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. (...)
When the Iranian foreign minister made the claim of having enough material for 11 warheads it was also concluded that it would take only about 10 weeks to make them operational. Common sense would equate 10 weeks to be the same as an immanent threat. (...)
You need to turn off your phone and your news feeds and start thinking for yourself ... if you remember how ...
That's only according to Witkoff on Hannity. Still Fox much?
I do believe that the Iranians told them that they had enough enriched uranium already that was capable of making 11 warheads with a little bit of tweaking. That is pretty hard to ignore especially when just a few months earlier they only had enough for 9 warheads.
On June 21, 2025: “Iran’s key nuclear facilities have been completely and obliterated.” On June 24, 2025: “It was my honor to obliterate all nuclear capability, and then, STOP THE WAR!” July 16, 2025: “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” July 31, 2025: “It’s been obliterated." March 2026....they were soooo close to killing us all. BTW...how were the warheads getting to the US?
I'm sorry that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
I guess that you don't remember seeing the pre bombing satellite images of all of the trucks lined up at one of the facilities. The speculation then was that the Iranians were moving already processed material to a new and unknown location in anticipation of the coming attack on the enrichment facilities. That would be the source for making bombs would it not ?
When the Iranian foreign minister made the claim of having enough material for 11 warheads it was also concluded that it would take only about 10 weeks to make them operational. Common sense would equate 10 weeks to be the same as an immanent threat.
You and everyone else here also seem to ignore that should the Iranians nuke our largest Middle Eastern base in Bahrain which has about 10,000 personnel stationed and is also within spitting distance from Iran would equate to a direct attack on the US.
Your narrow spoon fed thinking has you believing that only an attack on the continental US would qualify as a direct attack on the US.
You need to turn off your phone and your news feeds and start thinking for yourself ... if you remember how ...
