You, the great defender of the unjustly maligned Federal Bureaucracy. Yeah, Trump saw that there was a problem and fixed it, immediately, in an end run around your beloved bureaucracy and put them in their place and got them the hell out of the way. He didn't play ball. He just did it. He didn't whine to Congress to get it fixed like he was supposed to do. He just did it. He is fixing all the broken shit in your beloved bureaucracy without going through the proper Beltway channels. We'd still be waiting if he went to Congress to get it done properly.
Y'all are collectively amazing.
The main fallacy in this argument is that he hasn't fixed shit.
The second fallacy is that he has screwed shit up while claiming he fixed it.
President Trump is weighing calls from some Republican lawmakers and White House advisers to scale back steps to contain the coronavirus despite the advice of federal health officials as a growing number of conservatives argue that the impact on the economy has become too severe, according to several people with knowledge of the internal deliberations.
Loosening restrictions on social distancing would override the internal warnings of senior U.S. health officials, including Anthony S. Fauci, who have said that the United States has not yet felt the worst of the pandemic.
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But the push to reopen parts of the economy has gained traction among Republican lawmakers in both the Senate and the House, said two people with knowledge of the matter.
Conservative economists Steven Moore and Art Laffer have been lobbying the White House for more than a week to consider scaling back the recommendation that restaurants, stores and other gathering spots be closed, although exactly what that would entail remains unclear. Leading Wall Street and conservative media figures have also embraced the idea.
Trump has begun canvassing his advisers, GOP senators and other allies about what his course of action should be, according to a senior administration official. He is worried about the impact of soaring unemployment numbers and severe economic contraction on his 2020 reelection bid, and fielded phone calls for much of the weekend from alarmed business leaders. He remains fixated on the plummeting stock market, is chafing at the idea of the country remaining closed until the summer and growing tired of talking only about the coronavirus, one person said.
... One senior administration official said that there is a widespread understanding among government officials about the need to reopen the economy but that proposals have not yet been presented to Trump. The administration has looked at options such as whether people can go back to work if they are able to avoid public transportation, or if they can return to their jobs if they are not in areas with high infection rates.
Internally, National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and officials from the Office of Management and Budget are pushing to get the economy back on track as quickly as possible, according to people familiar with the matter.
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(Anthony) Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the presidentâs coronavirus task force, and other leading public health experts have told administration officials and Republican lawmakers that prematurely scaling back social distancing measures would hamper efforts to mitigate the virus and would devastate hospitals, according to the people with knowledge of the conversations, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private deliberations. More than 30,000 people in the United States have tested positive for the coronavirus, a number expected to significantly increase in the coming days and potentially overwhelm the nationâs health-care infrastructure.
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âThere is a discussion and a delicate balance about whatâs the overall impact of shutting everything down completely for an indefinite period of time. So, thereâs a compromise,âFauci told Science magazine in a recent interview. âIf you knock down the economy completely and disrupt infrastructure, you may be causing health issues, unintended consequences, for people who need to be able to get to places and canât. You do the best you can.âWhile Trump has focused on the 15 day timeline, health experts said that is not expected to be enough time to defeat the virusâs spread.
Public health experts are strongly warning against the idea of loosening social distancing measures. Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiology professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and director of Harvardâs Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said âevery well-informed infectious epidemiologist I know ofâ believes the United States should be tightening the restrictions.
âWe havenât yet even seen signs that the growth is slowing, much less reversing. Now is the time to tighten restrictions on contacts that could transmit the virus, not loosen them,â Lipsitch said. âIf we let up now we can be virtually certain that health care will be overwhelmed in many if not all parts of the country. This is the view of every well-informed infectious epidemiologist I know of.â
I was reprimanded for the language before so I refrained because it's not my sandbox. You have a problem with semantically referring to teenagers who may or may not be old enough to drive as "babies." Okay Mister Literal. But what we have learned today is that, evidently, raping "minors" is okay with you. Own it.
If you don't think Trump slept with minors, you are disallowed from commenting. #wishihadthepower
So you deny calling Trump a baby raper and want me DD'ed for saying that you did ? Changing it to "minors" is chicken shit, dude. You said it, own it. You went on quite the tirade. And with no proof. Just your bitter hate.
I was reprimanded for the language before so I refrained because it's not my sandbox. You have a problem with semantically referring to teenagers who may or may not be old enough to drive as "babies." Okay Mister Literal. But what we have learned today is that, evidently, raping "minors" is okay with you. Own it.
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Mar 23, 2020 - 3:36pm
JrzyTmata wrote:
New Jersey is on lockdown. I filed for unemployment for the first time in my life. We are still open and working but our hours were cut in half due to a lot of print cancellations. Somehow, we are considered an essential business. I guess people can't live without their supermarket circulars.
I filed last week online since the unemployment office was closed. The nice thing was getting a letter telling me I got the fuel assistance I filed for 3 weeks ago approved today.
If you don't think Trump slept with minors, you are disallowed from commenting. #wishihadthepower
So you deny calling Trump a baby raper and want me DD'ed for saying that you did ? Changing it to "minors" is chicken shit, dude. You said it, own it. You went on quite the tirade. And with no proof. Just your bitter hate.
To a large extent, the opinion that we can't afford to lock down for a few weeks or even months is a function of a lack of preparedness - a just in time society, whether its a store inventory level or a laborers paycheck. From corporations who over leverage, over spend on share repos...to individuals overspending on tvs, phones...discretionary items..and living paycheck to paycheck. Too many ignore the possibility that it may rain one day and I may need to hunker down. We have all been responsible for this environment (keeping up with the Jones?), one that lacks capacity, stretching things so thin, that whenever pressure comes, everything snaps. The same issue played out during the great recession- a lack of redundancies and capacity in the financial system and individual bank accounts. And while we added some measures to increase redundancies in our banking systems, its was a bare minimum, while many politicians were already eager to hack away at those. I'm not playing the told you so game, but when we make it out the other end of this dark tunnel, hopefully we all learn a thing or two about planning and setting aside. What's that grade school story about the grasshopper and ant?
New Jersey is on lockdown. I filed for unemployment for the first time in my life. We are still open and working but our hours were cut in half due to a lot of print cancellations. Somehow, we are considered an essential business. I guess people can't live without their supermarket circulars.
New Jersey is on lockdown. I filed for unemployment for the first time in my life. We are still open and working but our hours were cut in half due to a lot of print cancellations. Somehow, we are considered an essential business. I guess people can't live without their supermarket circulars.
New Jersey is on lockdown. I filed for unemployment for the first time in my life. We are still open and working but our hours were cut in half due to a lot of print cancellations. Somehow, we are considered an essential business. I guess people can't live without their supermarket circulars.
Say what ? China knew about their first case in November and even locked up their whistleblower, the now dead doctor from the virus he tried to warn the world about. China hid this from the world. Check yer facts.
I simply give up.
*please note that I am not challenging Kurt in any way, am merely attempting to participate in the conversation. Let's see how he responds* =======
There's a reason for any country of origin (my term) of a disease to cover it up. If it's something terrible like ebola that doesn't travel super easily, and in the early stages of a novel virus, who knows?, any country would STFU to try to weather it without word getting out because they KNOW the US and the Western world will boycott them. It's only logical to try to deal with it quietly. This is why, early on, most people were of the opinion that boycotts and travel restrictions were going to be counterproductive. They only force people (and governments) into hiding and deception, if not this time, then next. Economics guides all thinking at first. Then health. Then economics again.
To a large extent, the opinion that we can't afford to lock down for a few weeks or even months is a function of a lack of preparedness - a just in time society, whether its a store inventory level or a laborers paycheck. From corporations who over leverage, over spend on share repos...to individuals overspending on tvs, phones...discretionary items..and living paycheck to paycheck. Too many ignore the possibility that it may rain one day and I may need to hunker down. We have all been responsible for this environment (keeping up with the Jones?), one that lacks capacity, stretching things so thin, that whenever pressure comes, everything snaps. The same issue played out during the great recession- a lack of redundancies and capacity in the financial system and individual bank accounts. And while we added some measures to increase redundancies in our banking systems, its was a bare minimum, while many politicians were already eager to hack away at those. I'm not playing the told you so game, but when we make it out the other end of this dark tunnel, hopefully we all learn a thing or two about planning and setting aside. What's that grade school story about the grasshopper and ant?
stay safe 
