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Posted: Jan 4, 2023 - 11:56am

 westslope wrote:

Proposition:

Affirmative action hire programs for female academics, denigrates the accomplishments of female academics.  

The same could be said of any under-represented groups.
Affirmative action can be a minefield, no doubt. It has been misused, misapplied, and blamed for all manner of 'injustices' regardless of merit.

Do you hire the less-qualified candidate because they are underrepresented in the workforce? Doesn't seem like a smart business move.
On the other hand, many positions have fewer 'minority' applicants in the first place, so even if you're truly colorblind, odds are in favor of the 'majority' (let's admit it and just say 'white guys').

Maybe part of the answer is the 'Affirmative' part. Which requires action - affirmatively seeking out applicants with different backgrounds. How and where you advertise, for example. Job and career fairs at disadvantaged schools - High Schools certainly, plus community colleges, etc. It's more work than just weeding through resumes, but sometimes the best candidates don't even know about you.

I get your point, and do not disagree. I'm just saying it's one thing to advertise for female applicants, quite another to hire a female over a more qualified male.
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Posted: Dec 26, 2022 - 11:41pm

Proposition:

Affirmative action hire programs for female academics, denigrates the accomplishments of female academics.  
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Posted: Oct 20, 2022 - 11:13am

 kurtster wrote:

Just saw this.

I have a problem with the use of the term equity.  It is not a term that goes with justice.  Equality is the proper term.  Equity and equal are not the same and do not mean the same thing.

Putting equity together with justice implies mob rule or vigilantism.

The concept is equal justice for all, not equitable justice for all.  The Constitution is about equal justice for all in case you forgot.


Never said they did.  Your objections to equity makes it clear you have a very limited understanding of its importance , of its necessity and, quite frankly the utter lack of EQUALITY in justice across the history of this country.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2022 - 1:47pm

 kurtster wrote:

Just saw this.

I have a problem with the use of the term equity.  It is not a term that goes with justice.  Equality is the proper term.  Equity and equal are not the same and do not mean the same thing.

Putting equity together with justice implies mob rule or vigilantism.

The concept is equal justice for all, not equitable justice for all.  The Constitution is about equal justice for all in case you forgot.

Unfortunately, those terms are too often used interchangeably and they don't mean the same thing.  However, they do both apply to justice (or a justice system), as equity meaning: ​“the state, qual­i­ty or ide­al of being just, impar­tial and fair.”

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Posted: Oct 12, 2022 - 12:25pm

 maryte wrote: 
Just saw this.

I have a problem with the use of the term equity.  It is not a term that goes with justice.  Equality is the proper term.  Equity and equal are not the same and do not mean the same thing.

Putting equity together with justice implies mob rule or vigilantism.

The concept is equal justice for all, not equitable justice for all.  The Constitution is about equal justice for all in case you forgot.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2022 - 9:14am

F.B.I. Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows
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Posted: Aug 30, 2022 - 7:40am

 maryte wrote:


Except that he's not white. I guess you missed that, both in the article title and the author's name.

That doesn't really change things.

"The reality is that any of us (and our organizations, foundations, publications, etc.) could fall into any of these archetypes at various times and into multiple archetypes simultaneously."
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Posted: Aug 30, 2022 - 5:57am

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Seems the author falls squarely in the #13 camp


Except that he's not white. I guess you missed that, both in the article title and the author's name.
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Posted: Aug 29, 2022 - 6:31pm

 maryte wrote:

Seems the author falls squarely in the #13 camp
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