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oldviolin

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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 4:21am

 Manbird wrote:
 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
I'm hungry for a really good peach now.


Zippppp.... ain't that a peach?
 
keen on it...
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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 10:23pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
I'm hungry for a really good peach now.




Zippppp.... ain't that a peach?


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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 10:20pm

 Manbird wrote:



Homage, maybe. Ripoff, no.
I'm hungry for a really good peach now.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 10:12pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Ah man... you sound like an Allman Brothers album.





Homage, maybe. Ripoff, no.
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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 10:04pm

 Manbird wrote:



Reason, ration, reach...
shall I eat a peach?
Ah man... you sound like an Allman Brothers album.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 7:20pm

 BillG wrote:


I agree. All music is derivative. Everything you'd want to listen to, anyway. 

I can't think of anything we play that could legitamitely be labeled as a deliberate attempt to cash in on someone else's style. 

Homage, maybe. Ripoff, no. 



The posts I don't care for are when someone says "this sounds like Motley Crüe with a harp" and someone chimes in to say "this sounds NOTHING like that." Well that's wrong. Everything's filtered through the listener's set of experiences so there's no reason to say they're wrong. 

I think the "this makes me think of..." comments are okay too. Partly because I always make those connections and you do too: we have a whole thread dedicated to your segues, most of which are just that sort of leap that our brains make to connect things —even if the musicians themselves didn't intend it or haven't even heard the song we think it sounds like. The derivation just took a circuitous route from one song to the other.
 
When we start to say "ripoff," as in "deliberate attempt to cash in on someone else's style," that's always going to be hard to nail down, but it's even harder to think of major bands that have no soundalikes (soundsimilars?) downstream from them. Those probably aren't deliberate, either, but in the pre-internet years you know there were A&R guys scouring the clubs for bands that sounded like REM or U2 and most of the REM ones got signed. Without U2, the Alarm probably don't get signed, at least that was the feeling back then. The Alarm went on and put out some good records and pissed off Bob Dylan fans* so they at least have some lasting cred. ;-) 

*I can't find the review of the show but Mike Peters of the Alarm apparently did a short monologue telling the people how much the music of Woody Guthrie meant to him... while Bob Dylan stood literally 40 feet away. No word on what Bob thought but the Chronicle reviewer was incensed. /jackedmyownpost 

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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 3:22pm

 Manbird wrote:

shall I eat a peach?


Only after you clean up all those coffee spoons.

And on the subject of homage v ripoff




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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 1:16pm

"True Music, like all true Art, is an experience to be shared, not judged, for praise cannot make it better, as blame cannot make it worse"
Pat Martino


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Posted: Nov 5, 2021 - 6:54am

 BillG wrote:
 gottclay wrote:

I find some of the most annoying song comments on RP to be of the type, "I hear so and so" or "This sounds like so and so" or "This is a rip-off of so and so".  Sometimes the track being alleged to be similar to some other was actually recorded earlier than the supposed model.  So why do people need to compare music artists and songs?  I find music competitions to be meaningless or comparisons needless to enjoying the music.

I agree. All music is derivative. Everything you'd want to listen to, anyway.  I can't think of anything we play that could legitamitely be labeled as a deliberate attempt to cash in on someone else's style.  Homage, maybe. Ripoff, no. 
 
I think that's what dischuckin was saying. Music is kind of a miracle in that way...{#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 4:35pm

 gottclay wrote:

I find some of the most annoying song comments on RP to be of the type, "I hear so and so" or "This sounds like so and so" or "This is a rip-off of so and so".  Sometimes the track being alleged to be similar to some other was actually recorded earlier than the supposed model.  So why do people need to compare music artists and songs?  I find music competitions to be meaningless or comparisons needless to enjoying the music.



But it's great for my start-up company RiffsRUs. The plan is to computer-generate riffs and copyright them. We will license the riffs to musicians to use in their works. Then web-crawling and AI algorithms will identify works by other artists who we will sue for royalties to be split between our company and the artist.  
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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 4:20pm

 gottclay wrote:

I find some of the most annoying song comments on RP to be of the type, "I hear so and so" or "This sounds like so and so" or "This is a rip-off of so and so".  Sometimes the track being alleged to be similar to some other was actually recorded earlier than the supposed model.  So why do people need to compare music artists and songs?  I find music competitions to be meaningless or comparisons needless to enjoying the music.



I agree. All music is derivative. Everything you'd want to listen to, anyway. 

I can't think of anything we play that could legitamitely be labeled as a deliberate attempt to cash in on someone else's style. 

Homage, maybe. Ripoff, no. 

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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 2:47pm

 Proclivities wrote:

What I find more annoying are the comments about "this is a rip-off of...", or "this sounds exactly like..." (more than half the time they fill in the blank with Pink Floyd, but that's another matter).  For one thing, those comments are almost never accurate, and it seems that many people who comment in those threads have a misunderstanding of the word "exact", let alone knowing what a musical "homage" or "nod" is.
......



Hear! Hear!  Three or four measures that sound somewhat like band or performer X could be a coincidence, could be 'nod' or a 'homage' but does not constitute a rip-off.

From what I observe out the window, favourite artists who without hesitation explicitly recognize all their influences, often create some of the most original pop music. 

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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 2:08pm

 dischuckin wrote:

i think those comments are better than "i like/dislike this."  i don't really care if others like the music, but if i like the music & someone says this sounds like so-and-so, then i can research and possibly find more music that i like.
i like different versions of songs too
sometimes a 'sounds like' can enlighten you to the inspiration that brought the song to be.
https://radioparadise.com/musi...


What I find more annoying are the comments about "this is a rip-off of...", or "this sounds exactly like..." (more than half the time they fill in the blank with Pink Floyd, but that's another matter).  For one thing, those comments are almost never accurate, and it seems that many people who comment in those threads have a misunderstanding of the word "exact", let alone knowing what a musical "homage" or "nod" is.
 The comments that say something like "this reminds me of...", or "sounds like something so-and-so would've done" can be helpful in the ways that you describe.


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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 11:53am

 oldviolin wrote:

You make excellent points...




Reason, ration, reach...
shall I eat a peach?
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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 11:46am

 dischuckin wrote:
i think those comments are better than "i like/dislike this."  i don't really care if others like the music, but if i like the music & someone says this sounds like so-and-so, then i can research and possibly find more music that i like.
i like different versions of songs too
sometimes a 'sounds like' can enlighten you to the inspiration that brought the song to be.
https://radioparadise.com/musi...

 dischuckin wrote:

i think p-funk listened to this then had to remake one of their tracks in this style, at least that's what i hear...
b4 today i had not heard the original, so when i heard this i was reminded of the p-funk track i was familiar with (remake). upon youtube search i came up with the original, which was nothing like this:
original('70)

remake('77)


 You make excellent points...

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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 11:34am

i think those comments are better than "i like/dislike this."  i don't really care if others like the music, but if i like the music & someone says this sounds like so-and-so, then i can research and possibly find more music that i like.
i like different versions of songs too
sometimes a 'sounds like' can enlighten you to the inspiration that brought the song to be.
https://radioparadise.com/musi...

 dischuckin wrote:

i think p-funk listened to this then had to remake one of their tracks in this style, at least that's what i hear...
b4 today i had not heard the original, so when i heard this i was reminded of the p-funk track i was familiar with (remake). upon youtube search i came up with the original, which was nothing like this:
original('70)

remake('77)




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Posted: Nov 4, 2021 - 9:19am

I find some of the most annoying song comments on RP to be of the type, "I hear so and so" or "This sounds like so and so" or "This is a rip-off of so and so".  Sometimes the track being alleged to be similar to some other was actually recorded earlier than the supposed model.  So why do people need to compare music artists and songs?  I find music competitions to be meaningless or comparisons needless to enjoying the music.