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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 8:34pm

 steeler wrote:

NY Times is reporting that a Trump lawyer sent a letter to DOJ in June stating that there were no more classified documents at MAL. That may explain why Trump yesterday stated that all of the documents had been declassified by him — to be consistent with that documented statement, Whether Trump actually did declassify the documents seized at MAL pursuant to the warrant before leaving the White House remains to be seen. The seized documents were marked as classified. 


In a news bit this morning I heard that the remaining documents were supposed to have been declassified by him, but there was no paperwork to back up that claim.

steeler

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 7:09pm

NY Times is reporting that a Trump lawyer sent a letter to DOJ in June stating that there were no more classified documents at MAL. That may explain why Trump yesterday stated that all of the documents had been declassified by him — to be consistent with that documented statement, Whether Trump actually did declassify the documents seized at MAL pursuant to the warrant before leaving the White House remains to be seen. The seized documents were marked as classified. 

Apropos: Don’t believe what you see and hear. 

And so it continues to go . . .



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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 4:36pm

Trump lawyer claimed no classified material was at Mar-a-Lago in signed letter to Justice Department
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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 12:22pm

The Rosenbergs were executed for less...
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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 11:34am

POTUSes can classify or declassify many materials with a simple declaration—-but not materials relating to nuclear weapons or the identity of spies. And that presidential power leaves the individual once he leaves office.

https://www.theatlantic.com/id...

Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets

Fan letters and snapshots are one matter, and launch codes are another—and here the details of classification might decide just how much trouble Trump is in.

The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight.


steeler

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 9:34am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


seems legit

Follow the bouncing ball . . .

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 8:25am

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 8:15am

 steeler wrote:

Prior to the release of the warrant, Trump suggests documents seized pursuant to the warrant were “planted.”

After release of the warrant, Trump says that all of the documents had been declassified by him.


So, the DOJ/FBI planted at MAL documents that Trump had declassified?





seems legit
steeler

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 8:05am

Prior to the release of the warrant, Trump suggests documents seized pursuant to the warrant were “planted.”

After release of the warrant, Trump says that all of the documents had been declassified by him.


So, the DOJ/FBI planted at MAL documents that Trump had declassified?



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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 10:47pm

DeSantis takes significant issue with it being described as a “raid” btw.

https://twitter.com/urbanachie...
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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 10:41pm



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Nearly every POTUS has taken stuff home with them upon leaving office.

The archives say Obama didn't take classified documents. The trump administration and his highly partisan Attorney General didn't say anything, do any investigation, or even bring it up until trump got caught.

So, no, it didn't happen and even if it did, there is no reason not to go after trump with the full force of the laws that he broke. Especially since trump says he wants to run again and do it all over.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 9:58pm

It’s easy to search for more specifics, but this is not a small deal, and it’s unprecedented. So, the guy who had no political experience took top secret government documents home - for what reason, we have yet to know. But there’s no argument about this. (Security cameras were there; so there was no planting of evidence.)

Specifics from NYT: F.B.I. agents seized 11 sets of documents in all, including some marked as “classified/TS/SCI” — shorthand for “top secret/sensitive compartmented information,” according to an inventory of the materials seized in the search. Information categorized in that fashion is meant to be viewed only in a secure government facility.…
In January, Mr. Trump turned over to the National Archives 15 boxes of material he had improperly taken with him when he left office. The archives subsequently identified classified material in the boxes and referred the matter to the Justice Department, which later convened a grand jury.

But as the results of Monday’s search appeared to show, other government material remained at Mar-a-Lago. Why Mr. Trump did not return it along with the 15 boxes he gave to the archives in January is not clear. But at some point, the Justice Department learned about it, and it issued a subpoena this spring demanding the return of some materials.

The existence of the subpoena suggests that the department tried methods short of a search warrant to account for the material before taking the politically explosive step of sending F.B.I. agents unannounced to Mar-a-Lago.


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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 9:30pm

 rgio wrote:
I apologize, I got in the way of you answering Dragon's question (by suggesting you wouldn't provide any evidence). kurtster wrote:
Nearly every POTUS has taken stuff home with them upon leaving office.

Links? Articles? Evidence?
 
Apology accepted.

As I have been reading up on the PRA I have been learning more about the process which only became fully operational with Reagan going forward.

Looks good on paper, but and it is a big but, at least to me ... That compliance seems to be unsupervised and 100% on the honor system. 

It would seem that total compliance would involve the entire staff of the outgoing administration to leave the building(s) with only the clothes on their backs, leaving everything else behind.  This is not the case and I am not aware of any mechanism that overseas the exit process.  In other words, we don't know what we don't know.  How do we know that all covered documents and artifacts are left behind as dictated by law ?  Who packs up what ?

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As far as the stuff at MAR, what about the Secret Service presence there ?  Surely they take actions to make the proper security arrangements for known items in question.  Or not.

I guess that we all will learn more, or at least I hope so, about this process.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 7:53pm

As someone prior said, pure speculation…but Maybe it was entrapment by chubby? took a bunch of innocuous stuff, and then when the feds came sniffing, rather say it’s nothing go ahead take a look…refused to set them up with gotcha!
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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 6:47pm

 kurtster wrote:

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And quit yer bitchin about what I say.  You are the one who keeps bringing me up by name and asking what I would say about this or that more than anyone else here.

So fuck you.

I apologize, I got in the way of you answering Dragon's question (by suggesting you wouldn't provide any evidence).

kurtster wrote:
Nearly every POTUS has taken stuff home with them upon leaving office.

Links? Articles? Evidence?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 5:28pm

A good Q & A about the documents matter. It seems that even if convicted of crimes pertaining to federal laws regarding protection of government documents and property, Trump might not be disqualified from holding  a federal office in the future.

Q&A on the FBI’s Search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Home

https://www.factcheck.org/2022...
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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 5:12pm

Two timelines to help people keep track of what happened and when in the matter of documents at MAL.


https://www.usnews.com/news/po...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/0...
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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 4:43pm

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That's right !  There are no other crooks.  Just Trump.  He is the only one. 

Well, the republicans are in general, but absolutely no democrats.  Pure as the driven snow they are.

That's what you all keep saying.  And you believe it, too.  Anything to the contrary is Russian disinformation ...

And quit yer bitchin about what I say.  You are the one who keeps bringing me up by name and asking what I would say about this or that more than anyone else here.

So fuck you.



Joe Manchin is a crook and a democrat. Go figure. He's a "DINO"!

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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 4:09pm

 kurtster wrote:

That's right !  There are no other crooks.  Just Trump.  He is the only one. 

Well, the republicans are in general, but absolutely no democrats.  Pure as the driven snow they are.

That's what you all keep saying.  And you believe it, too.  Anything to the contrary is Russian disinformation ...

And quit yer bitchin about what I say.  You are the one who keeps bringing me up by name and asking what I would say about this or that more than anyone else here.

So fuck you.


I have never stated that every politician except Trump is utterly innocent. They're not. Trump, however, takes corruption to astronomical heights. Also, it's become(ing) blatantly obvious that he has, in fact, committed extremely serious crimes. Justice must be applied. At this point he's a flight risk and should be arrested immediately. All this falls on deaf ears, but there it is.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2022 - 4:02pm

 steeler wrote:


Sorry your boy has turned out to be such a reprobate. Has to hurt. My condolences.




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