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Posted: Mar 5, 2022 - 3:53pm

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The EU can defeat Russia on its own, they don't need the US.

Not sure I follow your logic, but apparently Vlad doesn't think so.

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Posted: Mar 5, 2022 - 3:35pm

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So now Russia is taking American hostages...just in case.

Basketball player Brittney Griner reportedly detained in Russia; WNBA, representatives working 'to get her home'




The EU can defeat Russia on its own, they don't need the US.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2022 - 3:30pm

So now Russia is taking American hostages...just in case.

Basketball player Brittney Griner reportedly detained in Russia; WNBA, representatives working 'to get her home'


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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 11:27am

Why Is Putin at War Again? Because He Keeps Winning.
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Posted: Feb 12, 2022 - 4:01pm

As Russia faces off against Western nations over Ukraine, it has edged closer to China, a relationship that increasingly poses a challenge to American dominance on the world stage.

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Posted: Feb 11, 2022 - 6:09am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:

did he say horde lands?   I think Putin is going to turn this into a war of attrition rather than a hot war. Every time he so much as moves a finger, Ukraine and NATO shiver in fear (even if it's just some of them). That wears people down. Point being, Putin is trying to maximise his leverage. Play off the EU against each other, drive a wedge between NATO members, still sell gas (Europe needs it, at least for the time being), keep the money coming in, play the strong patriot in front of his people in the face of a foreign threat, win the next round of elections, kill his opponents, that sort of thing. I didn't realise the demographics of the Russian people were so precipitous. That changes things quite a bit.
 

yeah putin has literally put russia into a well known and legendary quagmire
in a few months when that ground thaws, any vehicle is going to be sitting/operating in a giant mudhole (maybe a lesson from ww2?)
i agree he is trying to max out his leverage and i think he wants negotiate some sort of deal while saving face

demographics are a huge problem for russia and big players around the globe
china is the fastest aging country on the planet, their one child policy worked very well and is going to be a major challenge

generally i agree with much of this information in his presentation (esp the demographics)
have a look and make of it what you will
enjoy
(for educational purposes only)

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Posted: Feb 10, 2022 - 9:35pm

 miamizsun wrote:


did he say horde lands?  

I think Putin is going to turn this into a war of attrition rather than a hot war. Every time he so much as moves a finger, Ukraine and NATO shiver in fear (even if it's just some of them). That wears people down. Point being, Putin is trying to maximise his leverage. Play off the EU against each other, drive a wedge between NATO members, still sell gas (Europe needs it, at least for the time being), keep the money coming in, play the strong patriot in front of his people in the face of a foreign threat, win the next round of elections, kill his opponents, that sort of thing.

I didn't realise the demographics of the Russian people were so precipitous. That changes things quite a bit.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2022 - 1:28pm

Dogma

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Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 3:45am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
In post WWII Russia, Stalin banned the possession of any western music. All records allowed in the country had to be of Russian composers. But there was an underground hungry for Western popular music—everything from jazz and blues to rock & roll. But smuggling vinyl was dangerous, and acquiring the scarce material to make copies of those records that did make it into the country was expensive and very risky. An ingenuous solution to this problem began to emerge in the form of “bone music," or sometimes called "bones 'n' ribs" music, or simply Ribs. A young 19 year-old sound engineer Ruslan Bogoslowski in Leningrad changed the game when he created a device to bootleg western albums so he could distribute them across Russia. Problem was he couldn't find material to bootleg his pressings onto, vinyl was scare as were all petroleum products after the war. Then, one day he stumbled upon a pile of discarded X-rays. It worked. At the time, Russian law mandated that all X-rays had to be destroyed after 1 year of storage because they were flammable so he dug through trash bins and paid off orderlies for x-rays and for 20 years he handmade about 1,000,000 bootlegs onto X-ray film of everything from classical to the Beach Boys, eventually spending five years imprisoned in Siberia for this rebellion. For over 20 years, Bone Music was the only way Russian music lovers could get western music, which they played at "music and coffee parties" in their kitchens, away from the KGB ears and eyes. So I had to find one. This is a 78 rpm recording of the Indian Song "Awaara" by Raj Kapoor on an exposed Chest X-ray. Probably around 1951. Each Rib, was handmade, and one of a kind. Bone Music. A testament to the underground courage to subvert authority, rebellion, and the love of music. The spirit of rock n roll.
And from the comments on the reddit page, another one:
 

it was for their own good comrade! western culture, especially music, is evil! 

it is also why we are here at rp  {#Music}
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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 10:34pm

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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 10:17pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


An NPR article: https://www.npr.org/2016/01/09...

Bones And Grooves: The Weird Secret History Of Soviet X-Ray Music

...Stephen Coates, the leader of a British band called The Real Tuesday Weld, happened on this secret history by accident.
He apparently made a documentary. 



WOW!

The concept of pressing a record into some really bizarre and obscure substrate really turns me on.
The mind boggles at the possibilities...


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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 7:37pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
 
An NPR article: https://www.npr.org/2016/01/09...

Bones And Grooves: The Weird Secret History Of Soviet X-Ray Music

...Stephen Coates, the leader of a British band called The Real Tuesday Weld, happened on this secret history by accident.
 
He apparently made a documentary. 
 
Wow.  Fascinating.  Went through all of it.  Did find a Ted Talk by Coates I haven't listened to yet though.

A take away from the NPR interview that struck me as relevant to things of today.  Especially the interviewer's question which is bolded below.

... talking to people who bought these records when they were young — even the tiniest thread of melody, of this forbidden sound, was so exciting. And it led to a different world, really, a world of freedom, [even though the music was] not obviously anti-Soviet. You would think, "Why would that mambo be regarded as something worth forbidding?"

I was actually thinking that myself. It opens up all kinds of questions about what people think is dangerous, doesn't it?

It really does. And of course, in some [cases] it's obvious: rock 'n' roll, jazz, the music of America, the music of the UK. But with other stuff, it got very strange in the Soviet Union.

I'll leave that there and move on.

There are some current attempts to build home record lathes, Phonocut being the biggest and best attempt so far.  It is very good, yet has yet to make it into production and the initial cost of $1100 when I first became aware of it has now jumped to around $10k since going to their website just now and poking around.

https://phonocut.com/

Thanks for bringing up this important part of music history.  I may have heard about these bone records before way back when in the 60's but if I did, they were long ago forgotten as just a piece of trivia about life in the USSR along with the cold, the terrible food, housing and long lines for bread and toilet paper.
{#Cheers}



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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 1:02pm

 kurtster wrote:


An NPR article: https://www.npr.org/2016/01/09...

Bones And Grooves: The Weird Secret History Of Soviet X-Ray Music

...Stephen Coates, the leader of a British band called The Real Tuesday Weld, happened on this secret history by accident.
He apparently made a documentary. 

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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 11:36am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
In post WWII Russia, Stalin banned the possession of any western music. All records allowed in the country had to be of Russian composers. But there was an underground hungry for Western popular music—everything from jazz and blues to rock & roll. But smuggling vinyl was dangerous, and acquiring the scarce material to make copies of those records that did make it into the country was expensive and very risky. An ingenuous solution to this problem began to emerge in the form of “bone music," or sometimes called "bones 'n' ribs" music, or simply Ribs. A young 19 year-old sound engineer Ruslan Bogoslowski in Leningrad changed the game when he created a device to bootleg western albums so he could distribute them across Russia. Problem was he couldn't find material to bootleg his pressings onto, vinyl was scare as were all petroleum products after the war. Then, one day he stumbled upon a pile of discarded X-rays. It worked. At the time, Russian law mandated that all X-rays had to be destroyed after 1 year of storage because they were flammable so he dug through trash bins and paid off orderlies for x-rays and for 20 years he handmade about 1,000,000 bootlegs onto X-ray film of everything from classical to the Beach Boys, eventually spending five years imprisoned in Siberia for this rebellion. For over 20 years, Bone Music was the only way Russian music lovers could get western music, which they played at "music and coffee parties" in their kitchens, away from the KGB ears and eyes. So I had to find one. This is a 78 rpm recording of the Indian Song "Awaara" by Raj Kapoor on an exposed Chest X-ray. Probably around 1951. Each Rib, was handmade, and one of a kind. Bone Music. A testament to the underground courage to subvert authority, rebellion, and the love of music. The spirit of rock n roll.
And from the comments on the reddit page, another one:
 
Very interesting.  I certainly do remember how non Soviet music was banned and knew of the underground distribution of music from the outside.  IIRC Billy Joel was one of the first major acts to perform in Russia.  Never knew about the repurposing of X Ray plates.  Pure genius.

Today, Russia is a major source of Mint copies for 60's 1st pressings of Rock music.  Mostly from European countries and also a lot of Japanese items as well.  Amazing that they were somehow safely kept hidden for decades.  Also many stories of counterfeit pressings, both vinyl and CD's.  This just reinforces that they do have the wherewithal and ability to counterfeit vinyl.

Here are just two Russian seller's listings I found at random just by searching Led Zep I.  Many more of them with mind blowing inventories. 

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https://www.discogs.com/seller/vinylrarities62/profile?sort=price%2Cdesc&limit=100&format=Vinyl

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https://www.discogs.com/seller/alex19601906/profile?sort=price%2Cdesc&limit=100&format=Vinyl
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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 9:47am

gasp, stunningly bizarre and somehow fitting all at the same time
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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 9:42am

In post WWII Russia, Stalin banned the possession of any western music. All records allowed in the country had to be of Russian composers. But there was an underground hungry for Western popular music—everything from jazz and blues to rock & roll. But smuggling vinyl was dangerous, and acquiring the scarce material to make copies of those records that did make it into the country was expensive and very risky.

An ingenuous solution to this problem began to emerge in the form of “bone music," or sometimes called "bones 'n' ribs" music, or simply Ribs.

A young 19 year-old sound engineer Ruslan Bogoslowski in Leningrad changed the game when he created a device to bootleg western albums so he could distribute them across Russia. Problem was he couldn't find material to bootleg his pressings onto, vinyl was scare as were all petroleum products after the war. Then, one day he stumbled upon a pile of discarded X-rays. It worked. At the time, Russian law mandated that all X-rays had to be destroyed after 1 year of storage because they were flammable so he dug through trash bins and paid off orderlies for x-rays and for 20 years he handmade about 1,000,000 bootlegs onto X-ray film of everything from classical to the Beach Boys, eventually spending five years imprisoned in Siberia for this rebellion.

For over 20 years, Bone Music was the only way Russian music lovers could get western music, which they played at "music and coffee parties" in their kitchens, away from the KGB ears and eyes.

So I had to find one. This is a 78 rpm recording of the Indian Song "Awaara" by Raj Kapoor on an exposed Chest X-ray. Probably around 1951. Each Rib, was handmade, and one of a kind.

Bone Music. A testament to the underground courage to subvert authority, rebellion, and the love of music. The spirit of rock n roll.
And from the comments on the reddit page, another one:

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Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 4:25am

for me this was sort of difficult to follow (due to accent) while driving, but once seated at home i found it worthwhile

highlights really poor thinking (or thought process) of the extremes
typical pre-modern and post-modern framework
authoritarian rule and an unabashed lack of fidelity to objective science
what could go wrong?   ;-)

and this guy is supposedly very influential to putin...







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Posted: Jan 14, 2022 - 10:02am

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paywall?

Shmaywall.

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