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Rod

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Posted: Feb 26, 2009 - 10:14am

 Beaker wrote:

... perhaps in your locality.

We've had a curbside recycling program happening since 1988.

 
Yes, we do too, but that doesn't mean they are actually being recycled. Did you watch the slideshow?

Rod

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Posted: Feb 26, 2009 - 9:56am

Stop using plastic bags!


Please watch this slideshow. It is very eye opening! 'Recycling' of plastic bags is practically non-existent.

samiyam

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Location: Moving North


Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:56am

 brandog wrote:
America sez "The Earth Is An Ashtray, Get Used To It."

Thanks Exo, like we didn't already know.

 
I don' see why I should give up my Cadillac or my vacation trips to Bali just because the Polar Bears are drowning... I never liked those bastid anyway!

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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:54am

Hey, why is it that we're giving all those third-worlders computers and internets?  They don't deserve em.  Heck, all they use em for is to watch porn and bitch about Amerika.  They should be grateful for our generosity.

samiyam

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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:54am

 BillJ wrote:

you forgot to ask for my credit card number. its 7534289574523364860957545232536587695746534426  expiration date 06/3742
 
Yer missing a digit.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:44am

 arsenault wrote:

one more time...

if humans are responsible for 3% of the CO2 in the atmosphere.
reducing our output is like a drop in the bucket...if we reduce our output
of CO2 by 20%....that would be massively ambitious...
it wouldn't affect the total CO2 in the atmosphere by 1%!!
i am asking the question...its illogical, and graphs of mauna loa..
the site of an active volcano spewing out all kinds of gas is not persuasive to me.

edit..not that i doubt the increase, just the cause.

the focus on CO2 ignores the influence of the sun, and the corresponding global warming on
other planets in our solar system.
 

Arsen,

you're not being very clear.  You say you "doubt the cause" of the global increase in CO2 over the last half century?  If it has not come from human activity (combustion, deforestation, etc) than what exactly has increased CO2 in the atmosphere by 22%? 

You also seem to be of two minds regarding the monitoring of CO2 at Mauna Loa.  Do you think that measuring CO2 atop Mauna Loa renders the data useless?  or not?

If you do, see HERE and HERE regarding how the aerosol emission of CO2 from Mauna Loa (locally emitted CO2) is extracted from the atmospheric CO2 content being measured atop Mauna Loa, and why this location is an excellent one for measuring global CO2 content for the northern hemisphere.

Climatologists (who have been studying the cycles of earth's climate for well over a century) do not ignore the influence of the sun by any means.  The changes in climate caused by variations in solar insolation (the amount of sun incident on the earth's surface)  have been studied for decades and can be fairly dependably modeled/predicted.  It is well understood that our planet undergoes periodic cycles of warming and cooling with attendant changes in weather or climate (increased polar ice cover, etc.)  The point is, the well understood mechanism of variation in solar insolation cannot account for the recent warming trend we are experiencing globally.  Nor can volcanic forcing explain it.

What does explain it?  Human activity.

from THE COLD TRUTH ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE

 

Scientists have come to understand that "forcings" (natural and human-made) explain most of the changes in our climate and temperature both in recent decades and over the past millions of years. The primary human-made forcings are the heat-trapping greenhouse gases we generate, particularly carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil and natural gas. The natural forcings include fluctuations in the intensity of sunlight (which can increase or decrease warming), and major volcanoes that inject huge volumes of gases and aerosol particles into the stratosphere (which tend to block sunlight and cause cooling).

A 2002 study by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences warned, "Abrupt climate changes were especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly." The rapidly growing greenhouse warming we ourselves are causing today thus increases the chances for "large, abrupt and unwelcome regional or global climatic events."

Over and over again, scientists have demonstrated that observed changes in the climate in recent decades can only be explained by taking into account the observed combination of human and natural forcings. Natural forcings alone just don't explain what is happening to this planet.

For instance, in April 2005, one of the nation's top climate scientists, NASA's James Hansen, led a team of scientists that made "precise measurements of increasing ocean heat content over the past 10 years," which revealed that the Earth is absorbing far more heat than it is emitting to space, confirming what earlier computer models had shown about warming. Hansen called this energy imbalance the "smoking gun" of climate change, and said, "There can no longer be genuine doubt that human-made gases are the dominant cause of observed warming."

Another 2005 study, led by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, compared actual ocean temperature data from the surface down to hundreds of meters (in the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans) with climate models and concluded:

A warming signal has penetrated into the world's oceans over the past 40 years. The signal is complex, with a vertical structure that varies widely by ocean; it cannot be explained by natural internal climate variability or solar and volcanic forcing, but is well simulated by two anthropogenically forced climate models. We conclude that it is of human origin, a conclusion robust to observational sampling and model differences.

 

Such studies are also done for many other observations: land-based temperature rise, atmospheric temperature rise, sea level rise, arctic ice melt, inland glacier melt, Greeland and Antarctic ice sheet melt, expansion of the tropics (desertification) and changes in precipitation. Studies compare every testable prediction from climate change theory and models (and suggested by paleoclimate research) to actual observations.

 



Romm's article echoes the point I made about complex systems in delicately balanced equilibrium being subject to potentially profound changes as a result of small perturbations:

As famed climatologist Wallace Broecker wrote in Nature in 1995:
The paleoclimate record shouts out to us that, far from being self-stabilizing, the Earth's climate system is an ornery beast which overreacts even to small nudges.

 

That is, you need a trigger to start the process of rapid climate change. Historically, that has been orbital changes, or sometimes, massive natural releases of greenhouse gases.

Now humans have interrupted and overwhelmed the natural process of climate change. Thanks to humans, carbon dioxide levels are higher than they have been for millions of years. Even more worrisome, carbon dioxide emissions are rising 200 times faster than at any time in the last 650,000 years.

If the "Earth's climate system is an ornery beast which overreacts to even small nudges," what will happen to people foolish enough to keep punching it in the face?


Let's suppose that as a fellow at the AES, Romm is a little too partisan for your taste.  For a comprehensive website with tons of information on the science of climate change maintained by a scrupulously nonpartisan fellow, see SPENCER WEART'S website.

Human technological innovation and progress has had a profound impact on our culture and on our environment, for good and ill.  Bob Park noted that, for most of our history, humans have used technology to adapt themselves to changes in our climate.  Now the tables are turned; our technology has reached a point where it is driving changes in our climate. 
Finally, you allude to the "corresponding global warming on other planets in our solar system".  This sounds like a reference to the once popular denier argument that "Mars is heating up", and it must therefore be due to increased solar insolation, and that's why earth is heating up as well.

See HERE


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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:08am

America sez "The Earth Is An Ashtray, Get Used To It."

Thanks Exo, like we didn't already know.
cc_rider

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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 10:06am

 cookinlover wrote:
Scroll down this page, read all the posts, and you'll see why the earth is doomed.

 

Naw the Earth ain't doomed. Us humans iz. Mebbe sooner, mebbe later, but we'z doomed.
cookinlover

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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 9:01am

Scroll down this page, read all the posts, and you'll see why the earth is doomed.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2009 - 4:46am

 manbirdexperiment wrote:

OK we have reserved the Captain Kirk room for you. 

 

{#Eek}  Lined in yellow velour? With a swivel toilet? Oh boyohboyohboy!
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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 8:32pm

 MayBaby wrote:

Whoa, whoa... TEN minutes?
 
Relativity baby - Ten minutes to you, but to him it feels like days of bliss...
MayBaby

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 8:24pm

(talk about a threadjack! )

{#Lol}

rename it or somethin' already

MayBaby

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 8:21pm

 BillJ wrote:

Do you have any gegaplex star rated hotels? Non-smoking room. For next Tuesday. I'm only going to need it for about ten minutes.
 
Whoa, whoa... TEN minutes?

BillJ

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 8:05pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:

OK we have reserved the Captain Kirk room for you. 

 
you forgot to ask for my credit card number. its 7534289574523364860957545232536587695746534426  expiration date 06/3742

Manbird

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:42pm

 BillJ wrote:

Do you have any gegaplex star rated hotels? Non-smoking room. For next Tuesday. I'm only going to need it for about ten minutes.
 
OK we have reserved the Captain Kirk room for you. 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:40pm

 samiyam wrote:

Are we using real dice or are you one of those geeks with the Random Number Generator??
 
Dice - standard nineteen sided.

samiyam

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:36pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

Pre or post Pluto planethood?

We gotta get the rules squared away before we roll the dice.
 
Are we using real dice or are you one of those geeks with the Random Number Generator??

BillJ

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:33pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:

are we playing the solar system version or the universe version? because I have some hotels in the fornax dwarf galaxy.

 
Do you have any gegaplex star rated hotels? Non-smoking room. For next Tuesday. I'm only going to need it for about ten minutes.

Manbird

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:31pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

Pre or post Pluto planethood?

We gotta get the rules squared away before we roll the dice.
 
which one has all the hair?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Feb 18, 2009 - 7:29pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:

are we playing the solar system version or the universe version? because I have some hotels in the fornax dwarf galaxy.

 
Pre or post Pluto planethood?

We gotta get the rules squared away before we roll the dice.

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