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kurtster

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 4:23pm

 VV wrote:
Your "do nothing" approach is inspirational! 
 
So yeah, let's all continue to do nothing and hope mass shootings just magically stop. That'll fix things?
 
Passing more laws that never get enforced nor are intended to be enforced is the same as doing nothing.  Hunter is the poster child for more guns laws.

How about actual consequences for bad behaviour ?  Criminals, when arrested, are out in the street within hours.  No cash bail.  And then the prosecutors drop the charges, because the criminals are the victims.  They have more rights than the actual victims.  

Who again wants to defund the police ?  Ain't my side of the aisle.  Well they sure did a great job, didn't they ?  The system is totally broken.
VV

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 2:47pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Well, “thoughts and prayers.“  That’s doing something. 


Yes, comforting.

Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 2:43pm

 VV wrote:

Your "do nothing" approach is inspirational! 
 
Let's all continue to do nothing and hope mass shootings just magically stop. 



Well, “thoughts and prayers.“  That’s doing something. 

VV

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 2:39pm

 kurtster wrote:

This is not the urban nightmare made for politicizing.  It is a tragedy.

There were according to reports that there have been only 29 murders by any means in the state of Maine this past year.  Not to make light of this by any means but 29 is a long weekend in Chicago.

This is someone going off the rails.  Gun control laws have no bearing on this other than the ones in place for people with mental issues did not work.  As usual ...

So yeah, lets have more laws that don't work.  That'll fix things ...


Your "do nothing" approach is inspirational! 
 
So yeah, let's all continue to do nothing and hope mass shootings just magically stop. That'll fix things?

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 2:05pm

 steeler wrote:
 Maine does not have a “red-flag” law.
 
It has a "yellow flag" law.  The system failed.

Oh, and Hunter.  Selective enforcement.  The laws don't work.
steeler

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 7:43am

 kurtster wrote:

This is not the urban nightmare made for politicizing.  It is a tragedy.

There were according to reports that there have been only 29 murders by any means in the state of Maine this past year.  Not to make light of this by any means but 29 is a long weekend in Chicago.

This is someone going off the rails.  Gun control laws have no bearing on this other than the ones in place for people with mental issues did not work.  As usual ...

So yeah, lets have more laws that don't work.  That'll fix things ...


Maine does not have a “red-flag” law.

rgio

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 7:36am

 kurtster wrote:

This is not the urban nightmare made for politicizing.  It is a tragedy.

There were according to reports that there have been only 29 murders by any means in the state of Maine this past year.  Not to make light of this by any means but 29 is a long weekend in Chicago.

This is someone going off the rails.  Gun control laws have no bearing on this other than the ones in place for people with mental issues did not work.  As usual ...

So yeah, lets have more laws that don't work.  That'll fix things ...


Dude...you talk in circles.

It's a mental health issue... gun laws for people with mental health issues don't work... it's not a gun issue.

The number of mass shootings went down when we had a weapons assault ban, and has skyrocketed since it expired.

Appreciating that mental health is the problem...and it's growing...and laws don't work...what do you suggest we do?  Learn to live with it (if we're lucky that is)?

Sooner or later this discussion will come around to Constitutional rights.  How can you support a candidate who has violated it, called for its termination, and this month told a judge it's not his job (as President) to support it?


FWIW - you're more likely to die in states where there are lax gun laws (MS, AL, etc.) than you are in Chicago.
ColdMiser

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 7:18am

 thisbody wrote:

Bill Clinton banned assault weapons in 1994; mass shootings dropped by 43%.

George W. Bush and the GOP let the assault weapons ban expire in 2004; mass shootings increased by 245%.

These numbers tell the whole story.

Just like the latest one.




should be a public service ad, like this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs. run the ads daily, maybe more folks will pressure their congressperson to act and permanently ban them. 
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 27, 2023 - 12:10am

This is not the urban nightmare made for politicizing.  It is a tragedy.

There were according to reports that there have been only 29 murders by any means in the state of Maine this past year.  Not to make light of this by any means but 29 is a long weekend in Chicago.

This is someone going off the rails.  Gun control laws have no bearing on this other than the ones in place for people with mental issues did not work.  As usual ...

So yeah, lets have more laws that don't work.  That'll fix things ...
R_P

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Posted: Oct 26, 2023 - 4:00pm

At Least 31% of Mass Shooters Were Trained to Shoot by the U.S. Military
thisbody

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Posted: Oct 26, 2023 - 11:52am

Bill Clinton banned assault weapons in 1994; mass shootings dropped by 43%.

George W. Bush and the GOP let the assault weapons ban expire in 2004; mass shootings increased by 245%.

These numbers tell the whole story.

Just like the latest one.


islander

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Posted: Oct 25, 2023 - 9:23pm

 Beaker wrote:

Err.   Tell me you don't know much about the Canadian health care system without telling me...  talk to your Cdn friends about their experiences and lengthy wait times with our healthcare system.  That our health care system is better than the US is a myth.  Ask around.

As for guns, we, like you, currently have a govt bent on taking away legally owned guns from registered owners - all in spite of the fact that almost all gun crime comes from illegal guns smuggled in from the US - ie - unregistered and types not auth in Canada, and used by gangs and the the criminal element.  Our situation has some similarities, but on the whole is different.



Thanks for the point. You regulate guns and have better outcomes, despite the ongoing problems with illegally procured weapons. That's pretty much what most rational American are asking for. 

Beaker

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Posted: Oct 25, 2023 - 9:04pm

 islander wrote:


Don't ever do anything different, won't ever get anything different.

So known mental health issues, how did he have access to a gun?  If we defend guns under all circumstances, this is what you get.  Much like healthcare - most other countries, even yours,  seem to do a much better job.

Err.   Tell me you don't know much about the Canadian health care system without telling me...  talk to your Cdn friends about their experiences and lengthy wait times with our healthcare system.  That our health care system is better than the US is a myth.  Ask around.

As for guns, we, like you, currently have a govt bent on taking away legally owned guns from registered owners - all in spite of the fact that almost all gun crime comes from illegal guns smuggled in from the US - ie - unregistered and types not auth in Canada, and used by gangs and the the criminal element.  Our situation has some similarities, but on the whole is different.


islander

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Posted: Oct 25, 2023 - 8:35pm

 Beaker wrote:


Gun instructor with known mental health issues.
It's not the gun, it's the person.   Deal with the person & their situation.


Don't ever do anything different, won't ever get anything different.

So known mental health issues, how did he have access to a gun?  If we defend guns under all circumstances, this is what you get.  Much like healthcare - most other countries, even yours,  seem to do a much better job.
Beaker

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Posted: Oct 25, 2023 - 8:15pm

 islander wrote:

sigh.




Gun instructor with known mental health issues.

It's not the gun, it's the person.   Deal with the person & their situation.
islander

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Posted: Oct 25, 2023 - 8:11pm

sigh.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Sep 19, 2023 - 7:59pm

 haresfur wrote:


That weird US thing where carrying a gun to protect yourself makes you more afraid.


right?

EDIT: I used to carry all the time, for years. Never once did it occur to me to draw the weapon. I no longer own firearms.
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 19, 2023 - 7:28pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

That weird US thing where carrying a gun to protect yourself makes you more afraid.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Sep 19, 2023 - 7:22pm

because, gun...
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Sep 19, 2023 - 4:05pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
But you were upset about though.
I get mad when people hack up trees.Not enough to kill.





You're calm cool collected and 6foot12 though ;-) 

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