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Aug 26, 2008 - 10:34am |
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rosedraws wrote:...
No offense intended to anyone here, but my perspective is that people who take the bible literally are not only missing the point, but they are stuck in a childish way of thinking. Like a kid who refuses to believe there is no Santa Claus. The worst part is that by staying stuck in this childish state, humanity doesn't grow up... grow up and grasp whole-heartedly what REAL love is, what real magic and miracles are.
Being responsible is more difficult than being childish, but it's SO much more rewarding.
There are so many people who believe that the bible is the literal word of God. Therein lies our problem and it is going to get worse. I hope your bad day gets a whole lot better.
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Aug 26, 2008 - 10:28am |
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"The Church says the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the Moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church." — Magellan
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rosedraws
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Aug 26, 2008 - 10:22am |
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It is possible to find some quote in the bible to defend just about any point of view about anything! Surely it's the most dangerously misquoted document EVER.
Early on, I started to see the bible as a story. A love story for sure. It was written for humanity in it's childhood. Like a very small child who asks where babies come from, a loving parent may tell a story that gets the idea across, without going into all the rather disturbing and messy logistics.
No offense intended to anyone here, but my perspective is that people who take the bible literally are not only missing the point, but they are stuck in a childish way of thinking. Like a kid who refuses to believe there is no Santa Claus. The worst part is that by staying stuck in this childish state, humanity doesn't grow up... grow up and grasp whole-heartedly what REAL love is, what real magic and miracles are.
Being responsible is more difficult than being childish, but it's SO much more rewarding.
And, it's funny that I can say all that, when I'm actually having a very bad day, and wishing I was a very small child that someone would just hold for a while then take me to the park and the beach and and. *sigh*
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:59am |
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romeotuma wrote:1 Timothy Chapter 2 2:13. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. 2:14. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. 2:15. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.
hippiechick wrote: Yeah, well screw this!
Dontcha see, ya Janie-come-lately, it's all your fault. Read 2:15, you know what to do.
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hippiechick
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:50am |
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romeotuma wrote:1 Timothy Chapter 2 2:9. In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire: 2:10. But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. 2:11. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. 2:13. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. 2:14. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. 2:15. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety. Yeah, well screw this!
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:49am |
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hippiechick wrote: As a person who was brought up with no religious background, I can tell you that most of this stuff just seems crazy to me.
Ultra Orthodox Jews are as off-kilter as Fundy LDS. We do all kinds of stuff in the name of religion that is horrifying, including valuing women and children as possessions. If you take apart the Catholic religion and view it as a cult, all the children would be taken away from their parents for the cruel and torturous things that have been done to them, including having way more children than they can afford, and having those children suffer in many ways because of it. Almost to a person, my Catholic friends suffer enormously because of their upbringing.
As a Jewish born person, I do not agree with circumcision and would encourage my children not to do it to their sons.
1 Timothy Chapter 2 2:9. In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire: 2:10. But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. 2:11. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. 2:13. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. 2:14. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. 2:15. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.
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Wakko
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:30am |
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Yes it is true, Jesus does save, but Buddha makes incremental backups.
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hippiechick
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:28am |
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romeotuma wrote:From God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens— Chapter 5: A Note on Health, to Which Religion Can Be Hazardous (p.46-47).
The attitude of religion to medicine, like the attitude of religion to science, is always necessarily problematic and very often necessarily hostile. A modern believer can say and even believe that his faith is quite compatible with science and medicine, but the awkward fact will always be that both things have tendency to break religion's monopoly, and have often been fiercely resisted for that reason. What happens to the faith healer and the shaman when any poor citizen can see the full effect of drugs and surgeries, administered without ceremonies or mystification? Roughly the same thing as happens to the rainmaker when the climatologist turns up, or the diviner from the heavens when schoolteachers get hold of elementary telescopes. (...) I pose a hypothetical question. As a man of some fifty-seven years of age, I am discovered sucking the penis of a baby boy. I ask you to picture your own outrage and revulsion. Ah, but I have my explanation all ready. I am a mohel: an appointed circumciser and foreskin remover. My authority comes from an ancient text, which commands me to take a baby's penis in my hand, cut around the prepuce, and complete the action by sucking off the foreskin, and spitting out the amputated flap along with a mouthful of blood and saliva. This practice has been abandoned by most Jews, either because of it unhygienic nature or its disturbing associations, but it still persists among the sort of Hasidic fundamentalists who hope for the Second Temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem. To them, the primitive rite of peri'ah metsitsah is part of the original and unbreakable covenant with God. In New York City in the year 2005, the ritual, as performed by a fifty-seven year old model, was found to have given genital herpes to several small boys, and to have caused the deaths of at least two them. Under normal circumstances, the disclosure would have led the public health department to forbid this practice and the mayor to denounce it. But in the capital of the modern world, in the first decade of the twenty-first century, such was not the case. Instead, Mayor Bloomberg overrode the reports by distinguished Jewish physicians who had warned of the danger of the custom, and told his health care bureaucracy to postpone any verdict. The crucial thing, he said, was to be sure that the free exercise of religion was not being infringed.
As a person who was brought up with no religious background, I can tell you that most of this stuff just seems crazy to me. Ultra Orthodox Jews are as off-kilter as Fundy LDS. We do all kinds of stuff in the name of religion that is horrifying, including valuing women and children as possessions. If you take apart the Catholic religion and view it as a cult, all the children would be taken away from their parents for the cruel and torturous things that have been done to them, including having way more children than they can afford, and having those children suffer in many ways because of it. Almost to a person, my Catholic friends suffer enormously because of their upbringing. As a Jewish born person, I do not agree with circumcision and would encourage my children not to do it to their sons.
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:17am |
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From God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens— Chapter 5: A Note on Health, to Which Religion Can Be Hazardous (p.46-47).
The attitude of religion to medicine, like the attitude of religion to science, is always necessarily problematic and very often necessarily hostile. A modern believer can say and even believe that his faith is quite compatible with science and medicine, but the awkward fact will always be that both things have tendency to break religion's monopoly, and have often been fiercely resisted for that reason. What happens to the faith healer and the shaman when any poor citizen can see the full effect of drugs and surgeries, administered without ceremonies or mystification? Roughly the same thing as happens to the rainmaker when the climatologist turns up, or the diviner from the heavens when schoolteachers get hold of elementary telescopes. (...) I pose a hypothetical question. As a man of some fifty-seven years of age, I am discovered sucking the penis of a baby boy. I ask you to picture your own outrage and revulsion. Ah, but I have my explanation all ready. I am a mohel: an appointed circumciser and foreskin remover. My authority comes from an ancient text, which commands me to take a baby's penis in my hand, cut around the prepuce, and complete the action by sucking off the foreskin, and spitting out the amputated flap along with a mouthful of blood and saliva. This practice has been abandoned by most Jews, either because of it unhygienic nature or its disturbing associations, but it still persists among the sort of Hasidic fundamentalists who hope for the Second Temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem. To them, the primitive rite of peri'ah metsitsah is part of the original and unbreakable covenant with God. In New York City in the year 2005, the ritual, as performed by a fifty-seven year old model, was found to have given genital herpes to several small boys, and to have caused the deaths of at least two them. Under normal circumstances, the disclosure would have led the public health department to forbid this practice and the mayor to denounce it. But in the capital of the modern world, in the first decade of the twenty-first century, such was not the case. Instead, Mayor Bloomberg overrode the reports by distinguished Jewish physicians who had warned of the danger of the custom, and told his health care bureaucracy to postpone any verdict. The crucial thing, he said, was to be sure that the free exercise of religion was not being infringed.
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nuggler
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:16am |
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rosedraws wrote:Why aren't more Christians pacifists??
All true Christologists are 'pacifists' since Christic Force ie. Infinite Love is the absolute constant of the Universe. Yet the Christologist during the course of his/her earthly life must confront karmic debts that might present themselves as situations requiring a choice of defending oneself or another or intervening in such a way that requires the person to access forces which fall outside the Christic force. Calling upon these fallen forces or hindering forces or anti-Christ forces is an individual choice that carries with it karmic consequences. We might be called upon to make this choice as part of a karmic debt as we live out our individual cosmic biographies. We might be called upon to carry out an evil for a greater good yet it still holds the karmic consequence. Now choosing to call upon these anti-Christ forces due to some twisted perceived obligation in performing a duty to a manmade law carries with it a whole different set of consequences & puts one on the path of consciously choosing evil for evil's sake.
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dionysius
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Aug 26, 2008 - 9:00am |
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rosedraws wrote:Why aren't more Christians pacifists??
Because of verses like this, too: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." —Matthew 10:34 (KJV)
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hippiechick
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Aug 26, 2008 - 8:58am |
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romeotuma wrote:1st Corinthians 12: 14-17 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? Are these the lines you use for picking up Christian chicks?
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(former member)
Location: hotel in Las Vegas Gender:
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Aug 26, 2008 - 8:56am |
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1st Corinthians 12: 14-17 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
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dionysius
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Aug 26, 2008 - 8:37am |
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"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
—Matthew 5:39 (KJV)
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trekhead
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Aug 26, 2008 - 8:00am |
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rosedraws wrote:Why aren't more Christians pacifists??
I think the root is in the desire to get people to see we need to take responsibility , for everything. You are responsible if you murder someone. Death penalty. You are responsible for defending your family. Gun ownership. We should support our nation's defense. Pro military. My 2 cents.
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rosedraws
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Aug 26, 2008 - 7:17am |
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Why aren't more Christians pacifists??
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edieraye
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Aug 20, 2008 - 11:36am |
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Slate has an interesting article on the use of video venues by megachurches. Or not so interesting. I think it is a fascinating topic but the article itself was rather bland. I didn't get any sense that the author had bothered to attend a video venue service. Sort of like reviewing a CD before listening to it. It would have taken only an hour or two to actually experience it - and perhaps he did. But it didn't sound like it. And there were enough...uhm...negative descriptors (ambitious, lieutenants, gunning) to make it seem not quite an opinion piece but not quite a news article either. I don't mind either but straddling that fence doesn't sit well with me. And a couple of interesting facts were left out which wouldn't have fit the picture he was painting. Still, if you are interested in the direction that religion is heading you should check out the article. This is a trend that is only just getting started and I think will explode over the next decade.
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aflanigan
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