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Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 1:41pm

 rgio wrote:

Who are "those" islanders?  Even when you're being complimentary you're grouping and stereotyping.




It's okay, I'm used to it now. 

rgio

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Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 1:31pm

 kurtster wrote:

Tulsi is Samoan.  A Pacific Islander.  I have great respect and reverence towards the cultures of these Islanders.

Who are "those" islanders?  Even when you're being complimentary you're grouping and stereotyping.

She's perfect for Trump:  a former Democrat who couldn't achieve so she started selling red meat to the cult.    

She went from Planned Parenthood and gun control to blaming the media and the deep state.   She loves autocrats... Assad, Putin, Modi, Erdogan...  amazing leaders all.
    She spewed the MAGA doctrine to make a buck (sound familiar?)... and you love her for it.  She's been MAGA for 15 minutes... and you want to give her the keys to the kingdom. 

    thisbody

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 1:09pm

     kurtster wrote:

    Tulsi is Samoan.  A Pacific Islander.  I have great respect and reverence towards the cultures of these Islanders.

    She's Earth medicine. We'll need her big heart.
    If we're interested in harmony and survival. Simple.

    Aloha.. Salam.. Shantih.. P

    kurtster

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 1:02pm

     thisbody wrote:
    From a far (mine) end............

    my thumbs up for Tulsi Gabbard. Quite surely, her time will come, sooner or later.

    Noone's not named Tulsi without there being a reason for healing in the habitat or around.
     
    Tulsi is Samoan.  A Pacific Islander.  I have great respect and reverence towards the cultures of these Islanders.
    rgio

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:38pm

     Proclivities wrote:
    Roy Cooper seems likely to me.  Trump won NC in 2020 by only 2 or 3 percentage points and both parties have been doing a lot of campaigning around here.  Beshsears, Kelly, and Pritzker are probably being seriously considered as well.  Ocasio-Cortez is only 34, though she would be 35 by election day.  Still it's unlikely she would be chosen anyhow.

    Kurts dream is AOC... so the cult's "radical left agenda" talking points still play.  Not a chance... her star is not rising.

    Shapiro scares the shit out of Trump.  The idea that he's somehow toxic to the ticket because of the radical support for Gaza in MI and WI is overblown.  Is Shapiro more supportive of Israel than Trump?  Isn't he a Jewish grandfather?  The Right just makes silly arguments looking for anything that will stir the base... and that's their problem.

    Does Shapiro sound like a radical left dem?  

    “Our colleges, in many cases, are failing young people. “Failing to teach information that is necessary to form thoughtful perspectives. They are willing to let certain forms of hate pass by and condemn others more strongly.” 

    This election isn't going to be won by the MAGAverse or the neverTrumpers... it'll be won in the middle.  The Republicans keep doubling down with the base. Trump's gonna be "different", but he can't control himself and goes darker and deeper.  He attacks the guy who dropped out... a perfect chance to prove he could pretend to be a leader instead of an asshole.  Nope. 

    The Dems are moving to the middle... and someone like Shapiro, who is very popular with both parties, is a very solid, strategic choice.
    ScottFromWyoming

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:33pm

     kurtster wrote:
     AOC.  

    Not sure if she's old enough yet though.  

    She would be old enough by about 3 months at swearing in. Turns 35 in October.


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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:21pm

     Steely_D wrote:

    Gotta pick someone who earns the swing states, and AOC ain't the one.
    She doesn't need any more oomph in the real Dem states.

    Roy Cooper seems likely to me.  Trump won NC in 2020 by only 2 or 3 percentage points and both parties have been doing a lot of campaigning around here.  Beshsears, Kelly, and Pritzker are probably being seriously considered as well.  Ocasio-Cortez is only 34, though she would be 35 by election day.  Still it's unlikely she would be chosen anyhow.
    Steely_D

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:10pm

     kurtster wrote:
    I would like to see her pick AOC.  That would be a real ticket.  Checks all the boxes. 

    Not sure if she's old enough yet though.  Ain't looking it up cuz it certainly won't happen anyway.

    Gotta pick someone who earns the swing states, and AOC ain't the one.
    She doesn't need any more oomph in the real Dem states.
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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:08pm

     kurtster wrote:

    I have not heard this until seeing it here.  I wouldn't have picked Vance myself but I understand sorta why he was the one.  He is onboard with Trump's agenda and won't likely try to undermine him and actually help it move forward.

    He's got some learnin' and 'splaining to do.  Saw him on Trey Gowdy's show last night where he was asked tough questions and he was definitely uncomfortable and was only managing talking points to defend himself.  If he does not catch on and get up to full speed shortly he could be a boat anchor.

    FWIW, I would have liked Tulsi in a McCain / Lieberman way.  She brings a whole bunch to the table and would definitely speak up to Trump and tell him what she thinks.

    But oh, well.

    And I don't see Shapiro.  He's Jewish and would piss off the anti Israel progressives and at least cost Harris, Michigan.

    I would like to see her pick AOC.  That would be a real ticket.  Checks all the boxes. 

    Not sure if she's old enough yet though.  Ain't looking it up cuz it certainly won't happen anyway.


    From a far (mine) end............

    my thumbs up for Tulsi Gabbard. Quite surely, her time will come, sooner or later.

    Noone's not named Tulsi without there being a reason for healing in the habitat or around.
    kurtster

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 12:03pm

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:
     rgio wrote:

    ...with some talk of Trump dumping Vance...
    I've seen some talk of this already but he's the nominee; I don't know how that would work at this point.
     
    I have not heard this until seeing it here.  I wouldn't have picked Vance myself but I understand sorta why he was the one.  He is onboard with Trump's agenda and won't likely try to undermine him and actually help it move forward.

    He's got some learnin' and 'splaining to do.  Saw him on Trey Gowdy's show last night where he was asked tough questions and he was definitely uncomfortable and was only managing talking points to defend himself.  If he does not catch on and get up to full speed shortly he could be a boat anchor.

    FWIW, I would have liked Tulsi in a McCain / Lieberman way.  She brings a whole bunch to the table and would definitely speak up to Trump and tell him what she thinks.

    But oh, well.

    And I don't see Shapiro.  He's Jewish and would piss off the anti Israel progressives and at least cost Harris, Michigan.

    I would like to see her pick AOC.  That would be a real ticket.  Checks all the boxes. 

    Not sure if she's old enough yet though.  Ain't looking it up cuz it certainly won't happen anyway.
    rgio

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 11:53am

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:
    I've seen some talk of this already but he's the nominee; I don't know how that would work at this point.

    I have no idea how it would work... but you can't force someone to stay on the ticket.  

    If Vance said "I've decided to do what's best for America... or my family... or single cat women everywhere...", the elections would still take place.

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 10:48am

     ScottFromWyoming wrote:
    I've seen some talk of this already but he's the nominee; I don't know how that would work at this point.

    SFW sometimes has voice of reason. He can be a pain, too.

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 10:45am

     rgio wrote:

    ...with some talk of Trump dumping Vance...


    I've seen some talk of this already but he's the nominee; I don't know how that would work at this point.
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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 7:17am

     rgio wrote:

    Bone spurs.  The only thing that can stop truely patriotic warriors.  


    Given the thread there's probably a political 
    trope here that I'm not aware of. Maybe even a Trump trope!
    I can't seem to make much time for osteophytes these days.
    Gotta cheer on the head in the clouds brigade. Lol



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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 7:02am

     rgio wrote:

    Bone spurs.  The only thing that can stop truely patriotic warriors.  



    They’re the best bone spurs. Like none you’ve ever seen before. Everyone is saying it.
    Especially the doctor that suddenly made me 4F
    You see that, right? I’m 4F. I would fight but they won’t let me. So you go do it for me; I need to go sit on my golden toilet while I think about my daughter.
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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 6:52am

     oldviolin wrote:
    Probably nothing trumps a marine, especially if the chips are down.

    Bone spurs.  The only thing that can stop truely patriotic warriors.  

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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 6:03am

     Isabeau wrote:

    Agreed. Articulate, succinct and to the point. The military talent of an officer discussing a topic with a Superior that doesn't have time for long stories.
    2nd choice:  Mark Kelly, astronaut and who's wife was a victim of Political Gun Violence.

     Does an Astronaut trump a Marine like a royal flush beats 4 of a kind?




    Probably nothing trumps a marine, especially if the chips are down.
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    Posted: Jul 29, 2024 - 5:50am

     Red_Dragon wrote:


    I do like him for veep, in the meantime. A very smart guy.

    Agreed. Articulate, succinct and to the point. The military talent of an officer discussing a topic with a Superior that doesn't have time for long stories.
    2nd choice:  Mark Kelly, astronaut and who's wife was a victim of Political Gun Violence.

     Does an Astronaut trump a Marine like a royal flush beats 4 of a kind?


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    Posted: Jul 28, 2024 - 6:20pm

     islander wrote:
    He handles that so well. His interview on the daily is worth listening too as well. If things were different in our world, he should be the guy. 

    If the Dems had gone to a contested convention, he would have been a really interesting candidate (maybe... he might think '28 is a better time for him, but that planning rarely works).  I also think he'd be a good VP... but think you have to pick someone who can carry a battleground state (or 2... or 3).  

    I think Shapiro is going to end up the VP... PA is too big a state to not use his popularity.  He should also help with MI, WI, and MN.  He's a very pragmatic guy who is about as middle of the road as you can get.  A dem who discusses school vouchers, lower corporate tax rates, and hiring more cops?  That's why his approval is over 60%... he's practical and uses common sense.  

    It's also why the Right is scared... with some talk of Trump dumping Vance (I can't see it...).  Shapiro would be a tough draw for Vance in a debate.  Vance is a smooth talker, but Shapiro could hold his own and target issues that Vance has zero experience with.
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    Posted: Jul 28, 2024 - 6:12pm

     islander wrote:


    He handles that so well. His interview on the daily is worth listening too as well. If things were different in our world, he should be the guy. 


    I do like him for veep, in the meantime. A very smart guy.
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