kurtster wrote: 
So you are impressed by him because you have the (unfounded IMO) belief that he has the potential to deliver on promises that you admit may be utterly insincere?
At my age I've learned to look beyond what people promise, and scrutinize what they have done in the past, particularly when they thought no one was paying attention (i.e. before the white house was a gleam in their political eye).

Trump does not strike me as a good negotiator, any more than he would be a good poker player. He may be able to use bluster and leverage to intimidate small time players in the same way someone with a 20 to 1 advantage at a no limit poker game can pick up small pots despite being a poor reader of other peoples' tells, but he has obviously not had much success when dealing with people who see through his bluster and are not cowed by his wealth or belligerence.

 kurtster wrote: 
More like a dodge/contradiction.

 R_P wrote: 
No, I don't trust Trump any more than anyone else.  Trump, imo, just has the highest potential of delivering what he is talking about that I agree with.  Its all a crap shoot.  Don't know until they get into office, regardless of who we are talking about.

Is this just plain stuff or is a display of that nuance thing you keep mentioning ?   

National ICE Council President Chris Crane at Trump Rally: ‘It’s As If The Criminals Wrote’ Marco Rubio’s Amnesty Bill ‘Themselves’

 rotekz wrote: 
 

FTFY

 kurtster wrote: 
Except for Trump of course.

In Trump We Trust. Trump is with us. Trump is on our side. Etc.

Cruz Missile tries to spin the Sessions endorsement... pic.twitter.com/KoIOj7BAse 

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) February 28, 2016

Sen. Sessions to 32,000 strong crowd: ‘This Isn’t a Campaign, This Is a Movement’

 rotekz wrote: 
You don't have to outrun the bear.  Alls you have to do is outrun the other guy ...

Booom!

The MOST CONSISTENT CONSERVATIVE alive to endorse Donald J Trump for President! https://t.co/iC9KMlfwZU

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) February 28, 2016

 

 Steely_D wrote: 
No. Anyone can use any proverb at any time. No matter who may have said that proverb before. Judge all you like.

 rotekz wrote: 
We judge him by the company he keeps: specificall, the words he chooses to use to make his points. 
If Trump starts quoting Hitler, are people going to say, "well, he DOES have a point, even though Hitler did some bad things"? 

 rotekz wrote: 
BTW I still have that ballot if you want it.

 aflanigan wrote: 
Are we to blacklist proverbs every time an unsavory person utters one? 

 rotekz wrote: 
A proverb that he recited in one of his speeches (hence a "quote").

See the article Duce (1922-42)' in TIME magazine (2 August 1943).
 

 aflanigan wrote: 
Except that Gawker are wrong. It's a proverb with many variants.

"Better to live one day like a lion Than a thousand sheepishly" 
"It is better to live one day as a Lion, than 100 years as a Sheep"
"It is better to live one day as a lion than ten years as a lamb."  

"It is better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep." - Italian proverb...
"It is better to live one day as a lion than a thousand days as a lamb.". —Roman proverb. 
"It is better to live one day as a lion than a 1000's as a sheep." A Military Quote.
"It is better to lived under a lion-skin than under soft skin of lamb." * Unknown * 

AGAIN: Trump's "Mussolini" quote IS NOT ONE...it's a famous Italian Army slogan from 1918, see here https://t.co/Iq2xTieRbe

— John Schindler (@20committee) February 28, 2016

 http://www.amazon.com/Isonzo-Forgotten-Sacrifice-Great-War/dp/0275972046/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=

 kurtster wrote: 
You do know that the Tea Party was a creation of the GOP establishment funders (i.e. the real "leaders") such as the Kochs?

Trump gets twitter trolled by Gawker.

 aflanigan wrote: 
Go back to the Tea Party for a time line on the rejection of leadership.

Not in the tank for Fox, not by a long short.  I listen but check before I leap or at least sure as hell try.  I don't trust anyone anymore, more than I did so in the past.  And breaking news for you, Trump and Fox really do not like each other.  Fox tolerates Trump for ratings dollars.  If Fox is in the tank for anyone, its Rubio.

ymwv ... 

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Edit: doesn't really matter cuz Hillary is in anyway.  The only thing stopping her is the FBI. 

 kurtster wrote: 
Nice try. How much does Fox News pay you for online revisionism?
Die hard conservatives disliked Obama long before he was elected.

They only recently became fed up with the GOP leadership (McConnell, Paul Ryan, etc.) to the point of rejecting party establishment directives.

Arguing that Obama is an evil genius who is somehow orchestrating Trump's popularity with the GOP's base is a sure symptom of stage V ODS. 

 rotekz wrote: 
The clinical term is "KInsley Gaffe".