rotekz wrote: 
FYT

 RichardPrins wrote: 
I didn't say anything about who consumes what. Just that migrants will nearly always vote for the party that offers the most handouts. 

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

And it's a two-way street as well...

 RichardPrins wrote: 
Facts? He don't need no stinking facts!

 rotekz wrote: 
The majority of "handouts" are actually consumed by the natives themselves, despite what the scapegoat-searching far-right may say.

It's the same in Europe. Migrants vote for handouts so left leaning parties want open borders. 

 aflanigan wrote: 
kurtster actually wrote:  
Let's not conflate human / moral rights and Karma with Constitutional rights.  Karma is not a right.  Karma is a religious value, voluntarily ascribed to by those who seek balance and goodwill such as defined by the Golden Rule and the notion of mutual respect.  Karma also dictates the notion of you made your own bed, now lie in it.  The Constitution defines rights and rules for governance within the borders of the USA, only.  While the merits of our Constitution may be worth spreading throughout the rest of the world, that effort can be seen as an act of US Imperialism.  Better we mind our own business and keep our own house in order and lead by example. 

In terms of illegal immigration, Karma would apply to those seeking entry who make a choice to knock on the front door and ask if they may come in versus those who sneak in a back window and trespass.  It is the Karma of the trespassers.  The trespassers have no respect for the home they are encroaching on.  Where is the mutual respect ?  My Karma is unaffected should I be offended by or take issue with or defend against the trespassers if I have done nothing other than cite the rules and ask that they be respected.

I realize that you do not recognize the concept of illegal immigration to the USA.  With that, it is hard to have a meaningful discussion on this topic with you and those who share your disregard for the laws of the land.  Let's be honest here.  To redefine an illegal immigrant as an undocumented worker, I'll just take it all the way for you and get it out in the open.  They are not undocumented workers, they are undocumented Democrats.  

FTR, I do believe in Karma, but I also believe in the worth of our Constitution.  The two are not mutually exclusive. 

 aflanigan wrote: 
Whatever The Derpald is paying this guy is well worth it. He's convinced everyone on the forum not only to support him, but to go out and badger their family and friends to do the same. What a paragon of PR.

 rotekz wrote: 
If you say so.
EDIT: You just had to work Donald's name in there, didn't you?

 aflanigan wrote: 
Constitution TRUMPS karma.

 kurtster wrote: 
Karma dictates that you may receive the rights you demand in proportion to your willingness to extend the same privileges and rights to others of your species.

 rotekz wrote: 

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 stunix wrote: 
I certainly do, but really it is too late. Unless we roll back the industrial revolution and all that it entails we are doomed.  In other words, we are doomed.

 stunix wrote: 
I deserve the rights granted to me, and everyone else within the borders of the US, by the US Constitution.  My remarks deal with the quote.  Laws and rights only exist within jurisdictions and defined borders.  Using the right of abortion for example, it cannot exist without a border to guarantee the right.  Without a system / jurisdiction to both protect and guarantee this right, it becomes transient and meaningless, subject to whim and mood of a mob ( population ?).

Our Constitution's rights do not extend past our borders.  No one has a Constitutional right to come to this country.  There is no such thing as our First Amendment anywhere else in the world for starters.  One's religion or economic plight does not guarantee one's admission to this country. There is the right of sanctuary / asylum given to those of political persecution however, different from religious persecution.  Since our rights do not extend past our borders, we have the right to say no for any reason, valid or not.  

Ultimately, if we don't respect our own borders, no one else will either.  

Yes empires come and go.  Most of them were not worth keeping looking back.   

 kurtster wrote: 
but empires ebb and flow like the water that seperates us.     no one talks about the elephant in the room,  population.  what rights do you deserve?

 ScottN wrote: 
And what is wrong with that ?  

No borders, no country, no laws, no rights.  

It all begins at the border ...