kurtster wrote: 
Not sure what you mean by borked, but the text display is now manspreading beyond the limits of my screen. I have to side-scroll to read a single line of text in someone's post. 

Our political system functions better when both the GOP and Dems are responsible, engaged with each other and functioning well. The GOP's slide into dysfunction started long before Trump's entry into the 2016 race, but I think he's accelerated its decline and put the news spotlight on it. 

If Trump's failure helps the GOP reinvent itself more effectively and more quickly, great. If his implosion causes the GOP to go into permanent decline, well you can't really blame Trump alone for that.

Hopefully both parties will try hard to address the anger and concerns of people who have felt screwed over by our politics and who turned that anger into support for Trump and Sanders. Supporters of Trump and Sanders have good reasons to be angry but support of "outsider" candidates who make unrealistic promises deepens their mistrust of our politics almost inevitably leads to belief that we can't fix our problems through normal political processes. 

 

 VV wrote: 
Band name!

So I wonder if Trump has a "Wheel of Crazy" that he spins each morning to help him decide his daily gaffe?

First, is this thread borked or is it just me ?

Second, instead of lighting up the repub thread, I'll just put it here cuz it does involve Trump.

So, if Trump implodes and destroys the repub party in the process, what's wrong with that ?  
 

Trump's "Greatest Mentor" was Red-Baiting Aide to Joseph McCarthy and Attorney for NYC Mob Families
(DemocracyNow)

Amy Goodman: We visited Wayne Barrett at his home. He talked about Trump's longtime lawyer and mentor, Roy Cohn....

Wayne Barrett: Roy himself told me they talked 15 times a day. But there’s no question that next to Fred Trump, Roy Cohn was the single greatest influence in Donald’s life. And Roy is incandescent evil.

 Lazy8 wrote: 
*At his final, pre-election press conference in November, he will take off his latex mask and reveal himself to be Andy Kaufman.

 Steely_D wrote: 
Actually that is what I was thinking, what if of course completely unbeknownst to him, he becomes the catalyst for the inevitable and much needed disintegration of the 2 party duopoly.  I mean Clinton was always going to be President anyway so it is not hurting anything. 

 kcar wrote: 
You know when apple trees come to the end of their life and throw off a lot of fruit? That's how I see Trump. An old man who knows his remaining days on the planet limited, someone whose physical prowess is probably already waning and is quite happy to take everyone else down with him in one final - and vain - burst of trying to prove himself. He is a bit like a tragic king in a Shakespearean tragedy, just making things worse from step to step and falling very rapidly from grace.  

ok, I might of mixed a couple of metaphors there, but you get the idea. He is certainly acting like a man who has got nothing to lose. A gambler who puts his entire wealth on one last bet, hoping to score big or die in the process.

 

Kurtster, I am having problems with the inline reply feature of RP's forums, so my response to your latest post of  8/4/16 @6:37 pm may look a bit unusual. Anyway...

You have a point about Scarborough's statement, but then again you don't because Trump asked that famous question during an interview back in March with Chris Matthews. I have provided a link to a video of that excerpt of the interview and another link to the transcript of the whole interview. 

Even if Trump never asked the foreign policy expert during a briefing that if we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them, I am less assured of Trump's fitness after watching excerpts from the Matthews interview and from a Bloomberg TV interview (link to the excerpt of that latter interview provided below). 

Yes, when I first posted my remark about Trump apparently asking a foreign policy expert three times during one briefing that if we had nuclear weapons, why don't we use them, I did not state or indicate that my sole source for that apparent story was Joe Scarborough. On responding to your request for proof, I looked on Google and noted that a number of reliable news sources reported on Scarborough's nationally televised recounting of what he'd heard about the conversation between Trump and the foreign policy expert. 

So basically I was repeating (without attribution) the Scarborough statement. I did not look at your snopes.com link before posting—my bad. The snopes.com piece points out that Scarborough was not with Trump and the foreign policy expert when that briefing apparently took place several months before Scarborough talked about it this week, and that Scarborough learned of this story only a few days before repeating on air (according to an unnamed MSNBC executive). However—and this may be an incidental point—Scarborough never claimed to be in the room when Trump and the expert talked and never claimed that he learned of the apparent exchange around the time that it took place. 

You have a point in that any non-response from the Trump campaign to a reporter's statement is not the same as admission. This Huffington Post piece 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scarborough-trump-nukes_us_57a1e47ae4b0693164c347d0

quotes Paul Manafort as denying on Wednesday 8/3/16 that the exchange between Trump and the foreign policy expert about the use of nuclear weapons took place:

Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort denied the claim on Wednesday morning.

“Absolutely not true,” he said in an interview with Fox News. “The idea that he’s trying to understand where to use nuclear weapons? It just didn’t happen. I was in the meeting, it didn’t happen.”

HOWEVER: the Huffington Post article also notes that in March of this year, Trump in interview with Bloomberg TV refused to rule out using nuclear weapons against ISIS and indicated that his refusal was based on the desire to have ISIS think that we might use them and to convey an image of unpredictability. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSnVb4i_ZZ4

The meat of his answer comes between 0:35 and 1:00  in and the interview moves away from the topic around 1:40 in. Trump says around the 1:35 mark that he thinks nuclear weapons should definitely be a last resort. 

Chris Matthews followed up that Bloomberg TV interview with his own questions during an interview with Trump on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/donald-trump-won-t-take-nukes-off-the-table-655471171934

The Huffington Post piece I referenced above (again here ) notes that Trump did ask Matthews why we shouldn't use the nuclear weapons we have. Here's an excerpt of the Huffington Post piece (the links in the excerpt are included in the Huffington Post piece):

In a followup interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, Trump sounded unconcerned by the prospect of mutual assured destruction, going so far as to ask why the U.S. constructed nuclear weapons if it couldn’t use them.

“Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?” he asked.

“I was against Iraq. I’d be the last one to use them,” he added. (Trump initially supported the Iraq invasion.)



The "followup interview" link embedded in the Huffington Post piece excerpt leads to a Twitter post. You and others might find the transcript of the Trump-Matthews interview more reliable:
http://info.msnbc.com/_news/2016/03/30/35330907-full-transcript-msnbc-town-hall-with-donald-trump-moderated-by-chris-matthews?lite


Trump does come off during the Bloomberg TV and Matthews interviews as sounding more measured and intelligent than the Scarborough recounting of the apparent exchange between the foreign policy expert and Trump indicates. He does say that he would use nuclear weapons as a last resort. However, here is Matthew's response to Trump's rhetorical question about why shouldn't we use our nuclear weapons, copied from the transcript:

TRUMP:  Look, nuclear should be off the table.  But would there be a time when it could be used, possibly, possibly?

MATTHEWS:  OK.  The trouble is, when you said that, the whole world heard it.  David Cameron in Britain heard it.  The Japanese, where we bombed them in '45, heard it.  They're hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons.  Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.

TRUMP:  Then why are we making them?  Why do we make them?  We had (inaudible). 

MATTHEWS:  Because of the old mutual assured destruction, which Reagan hated and tried to get rid of.

So Trump has his own reasons for not explicitly ruling out nukes when fighting ISIS (keep the enemy guessing, convey an aura of unpredictability—Nixon tried to have the North Vietnamese think the same thing. I believe he and Kissinger called it "The Madman theory"). He also refuses ruling them out in Europe.
But my take is that Trump doesn't understand the theory of mutual assured destruction or that even the limited use of tactical nuclear weapons would severely and perhaps permanently damage our relations with allies and the rest of the world.  Despite Paul Manafort's assurance that from the Huffingington Post piece, I don't believe that Trump has any idea about when to use nuclear weapons. 
 

 kcar wrote: 
I think that you are confused.  Let's back up the bus, shall we ?

I responded to something you wrote in an earlier post.  Not something posted by someone else.

 kurtster wrote:
I asked you for proof that Trump said what you said he said.  The top quote is how you reply with your "proof" ?  Laughable at best.

Here is what I used for my google search ...  he actually asked three times why we don't use the nuclear weapons we have.

I found no proof at all.  Everything linked back to the Scarborough comment on his show.  Everything.  There was no other source.  And all the links from the search led to left wing echo chambers, who think that if they repeat something often enough, it becomes fact.  I think the search terms I used were excellent because it came back with lots of hits that were directly on the subject at hand.

Then I clicked on Snopes and found the real truth, that it is no more than a rumor, with nothing of substance behind it.

So once more, just because you can't find a denial by Trump, that does not make what you claim an actual event or a fact which is what the word actual means.

You're just spreading around political bullshit and gossip as fact.  That is again, unless you have proof to the contrary ?  Exactly where did you first see or hear your facts anyway ?  Surely you actually have a credible source to make such a statement with so much certainty in the first place.  You do, dontchya ?

Many years ago when I first started posting here, I tried using the logic that silence, a lack of a response or lack of a denial is proof of a point that I attempted to make.  I was schooled rather quickly by some of the very posters currently in this thread today that silence, a lack of a response or lack of a denial is proof of nothing.  

 steeler wrote: 
I think Trump's remarks about NATO are a warning shot across the bow that's it's time to revisit and repurpose what NATO is and what it's mission is in the 21st Century.  It's not working very well at present.  Time to rethink taking the role of the USA for granted.

Ukraine.  I think Trump has clarified his statement satisfactorily on Ukraine and Crimea.  That region is so hard to figure out who is who.  No way to pick sides correctly in this one.  Better not to take sides under those circumstances. The problem belongs to the EU.  The USA has no national security interests at stake there.  

Ukraine is about natural gas and Crimea is about a sea port as to what Putin's / Russia's interests are the way I see it.    

"He's a loudmouthed dick."

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

THUD.
 

 This article indicates that Trump's advisers think the best and perhaps only way for him to win is to capture Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and keep North Carolina voting red. An 11-point Clinton lead in PA as reported in your linked story makes that a tough task. 

According to this new NYT story , Hillary is also leading in Florida by six points (based on a poll conducted by Suffolk University of Boston, MA). 

This link shows Trump and Clinton effectively tied in Ohio.

Things have not been going well for Trump at all since the start of the Democratic convention.

Jumping into Lazy8's and VV's conversation about Trump's plans and the impact of the campaign on the Trump brand: I wonder if Trump has thought that far ahead. Trump likes to link his name to "success" and luxury—hence the luxury residences and golf courses bearing his name. 

But if you're in Trump's targeted income bracket, you have a lot of options as to where to live and play. Do you really want to be associated with Trump's bigotry, arrogance and wild public displays of ignorance? Would you want to live in a building with Trump's name on it?

This is a bigger deal, I think, in the Middle East, where apparently Trump succeeded in really boosting his brand with the very rich. Now he may have destroyed that with his calls for blocking Muslim immigration into the US. 

Trump can't go back to his TV show, I think—which network would carry him now. Does he go down-market and push "affordable luxury" such as Trump wine and Trump steaks to middle- and lower-class folks? 

Donald Trump's support collapses in 3 of the most important major battlegrounds

 VV wrote: 
Agree 100%

As nutty as he is, he knows he'll have his ass handed to him in a debate; therefore it will never happen. 

 Lazy8 wrote: 
I thought about this. I think he'll be toxic in terms of ever trying to enter the political arena again. I can't see that ever happening under any circumstances. Forget about trying to become a political power broker either... not going to happen.

In terms of his "brand"... yes, it will take a hit but I think he could rebound. I don't think his businesses would go under. He could just state that he was letting his kids run his businesses and lay low for a while before he actively takes the reins again.

In terms of his international dealings? I think that he could actually see an increase in business there which would offset any domestic hit that he would take. Think about it... wouldn't there be increased interest in any potential foreign business partners to want to meet the maverick/oddity that made a serious bid to become president? He could play that to his advantage.

The thing that will dog him for a very long time will be that the press will quickly jump on anything that he does while wearing his "business hat" that is at odds with what he expressed as a presidential candidate. They will be quick and merciless in exposing any hypocrisy as he certainly hasn't scored any goodwill with the press.    

 

 kurtster wrote: 
Kurtster, ScottN's post gives a link to a CNBC article on Scarborough's report that Trump asked a foreign policy expert why we couldn't nuclear weapons during a briefing that took place "several months ago." That article contains a video clip of Scarborough stating that rumor on MSNBC TV. Scarborough's report has been picked up by a number of news sites, as shown by re-doing the Google search I performed: 

https://www.google.com/searchq=Trump+responds+to+Joe+Scarborough+report+on+using+nuclear+weapons&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT0NHJ36jOAhWi7YMKHfr5Az0Q_AUICCgB

If that link doesn't work, try it via tinyurl.com:   https://tinyurl.com/h7lsebh

Note that the Google search I performed tried to find a response by Trump to Scarborough's report. I looked only at the first two pages of hits from that Google search but could find no link to a comment, rebuttal or refutation from Trump or his staff concerning that Scarborough statement. 

So Trump does not seem to be denying Scarborough's report. That's the best I can do for you. It'd be great if the foreign policy expert in question stepped forward, but he/she may not want to for fear of damage to career or some sort of reprisal.  

 kurtster wrote:

 
I think if Trump really does not have a handle on the deterrence theory of nuclear weapons, it is a serious concern.

 

   

 steeler wrote: 
Since I did ask a question in my post, why don't you take a stab at it and then I'll answer your's.

 VV wrote:
Then we can have layer upon layer of conspiracy theories:He was working for Hillary all along and now he'll become Secretary of State.

1. He's doing it to pump up real estate prices on a man-made offshore private country he's secretly building, hoping to sell to people looking for a retreat for the End Times he's working so hard to bring about
2. It's all part of a reality TV show starting on Fox next season; he's being followed by cameras everywhere he goes and he needs to sell ads
3. He lost a golf bet in 2014 and had to put on the most elaborate practical joke in history as a consequence

If he thinks he can just go back to his business empire after this he is beyond delusional. The Trump Brand used to be just tacky; now it's toxic.