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Posted: Jan 22, 2009 - 7:14pm

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A sad chapter in US history closing. As Etta James's voice reminded us at the inaugural balls, "At Last."
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Posted: Jan 22, 2009 - 5:08pm

Obama moves to reshape US policy by closing Gitmo
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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 10:28am

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Scarily, I read it the way you meant it.   {#Eek}
 
Does that mean we are starting to think alike? {#Stop}

 
And yes, I am still avoiding my massive to-do list.  So far I've managed to make myself a mocha shake, feed the cat again, update my flickr page, and accomplish absolutely nada.
 

{#Eek}

You better hope not.  That would bode ill for you. {#Doh}
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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 9:47am

 steeler wrote:

{#Whisper} I, of course, meant to state "asylum" in my previous post, not "amnesty".  Correction made.     

 
Scarily, I read it the way you meant it.   {#Eek}
 
Does that mean we are starting to think alike? {#Stop}

 
And yes, I am still avoiding my massive to-do list.  So far I've managed to make myself a mocha shake, feed the cat again, update my flickr page, and accomplish absolutely nada.

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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 9:29am

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One thing that the President-Elect has in his favor that the current administration is sorely lacking is the goodwill of those countries who might take in those freed.  I think one of the problems has been that many countries in Europe and elsewhere have refused to accept released detainees.  So for the safety of the prisoners they continue to be held.  (Obviously I am not talking about all of them or trying to justify continued incarceration.  Just pointing out that this is one of the logistical nightmares which make the entire problem incredibly difficult and murky.)

My understanding is that security is another big problem.  Where are we going to incarcerate those found guilty?

There is a large segment of the Guantanamo Bay population - guilty and innocent - that no one wants.

Hopefully the Obama administration can capitalize its popularity worldwide to find hosts for freed detainees.  With assurances that the freed detainees will be monitored on the one hand for their own safety (deter reprisals) and on the other to assure that they will not participate in future terrorist activities.

 

Maybe.  Unclear where these folk are supposed to go if not their country of origin.  

{#Whisper} I, of course, meant to state "asylum" in my previous post, not "amnesty".  Correction made.     
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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 8:37am

 steeler wrote:

It would be interesting to see what would happen if one of the G-Bay prisoners, upon release, filed for amnesty, claiming he would be be subject to persecution if returned to a particular country.            

  

One thing that the President-Elect has in his favor that the current administration is sorely lacking is the goodwill of those countries who might take in those freed.  I think one of the problems has been that many countries in Europe and elsewhere have refused to accept released detainees.  So for the safety of the prisoners they continue to be held.  (Obviously I am not talking about all of them or trying to justify continued incarceration.  Just pointing out that this is one of the logistical nightmares which make the entire problem incredibly difficult and murky.)

My understanding is that security is another big problem.  Where are we going to incarcerate those found guilty?

There is a large segment of the Guantanamo Bay population - guilty and innocent - that no one wants.

Hopefully the Obama administration can capitalize its popularity worldwide to find hosts for freed detainees.  With assurances that the freed detainees will be monitored on the one hand for their own safety (deter reprisals) and on the other to assure that they will not participate in future terrorist activities.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 8:02am

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Guantanamo Closure Called Obama Priority


Normally I don't like quoting long articles - I figure if you want to read that much you'll follow the link.  But the Washington Post requires a (free) registration so I posted more than usual.
The rest of the article outlines some of the problems the new administration will face as it constructs a policy for dealing with terrorist suspects.  There are no easy answers.  It sounds simple enough - close Guantanamo.  But the logistics will be incredibly complicated.  And what to do with those released?  Their lives are ruined.  Do we have a responsibility to aid them?  To what extent?  I don't think you can live in those conditions and not sustain some lasting damage.  So there is the human cost.  There is also the fact that being held will make them suspect if they were to be returned home.  Who will take them in?  And what about those who are prosecuted?  What are we going to do with them? 

And perhaps the biggest question of all, what will the policy be for future terrorist suspects?

 
It is a maze. 

There was talk of compensation for Japanese-Americans who were rounded up and put in camps during WWII.  I doubt we'll hear anything about that for any of these folk.

This is why the lack of judicial proceedings was so critical an issue.  Essentially, the prisoners fell into a legal and political black hole.  The administration did not want to concede that some of these folk were not actually dangerous because that would be tantamount to admitting they should not have been rounded up in the first place. 

It would be interesting to see what would happen if one of the G-Bay prisoners, upon release, filed for political asylum, claiming he would be be subject to persecution if returned to a particular country.            


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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 7:48am

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Guantanamo Closure Called Obama Priority
By Peter Finn
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
The Obama administration will launch a review of the classified files of the approximately 250 detainees at Guantanamo Bay immediately after taking office, as part of an intensive effort to close the U.S. prison in Cuba, according to people who advised the campaign on detainee issues.

Announcing the closure of the controversial detention facility would be among the most potent signals the incoming administration could send of its sharp break with the Bush era, according to the advisers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak for the president-elect. They believe the move would create a global wave of diplomatic and popular goodwill that could accelerate the transfer of some detainees to other countries.

But the advisers, as well as outside national security and legal experts, said the new administration will face a thicket of legal, diplomatic, political and logistical challenges to closing the prison and prosecuting the most serious offenders in the United States — an effort that could take many months or longer. Among the thorniest issues will be how to build effective cases without using evidence obtained by torture, an issue that attorneys for the detainees will almost certainly seek to exploit.

Moreover, the new administration will face hard decisions regarding not just the current Guantanamo Bay detainees but also how it will handle future captures of terrorism suspects. It is unclear whether President-elect Barack Obama would consider holding some suspects without charge on national security grounds. His transition team denied reports this week that it was contemplating some form of preventive detention backed by a new civilian national security court. The idea has been a staple of legal debates over the future of Guantanamo Bay for the past year, but Obama advisers believe it would meet fierce congressional resistance.

"A great deal of attention has been focused on Guantanamo, as it should be, but Guantanamo is a symptom of a much larger question: Where and how is the U.S. going to detain and interrogate terrorist suspects it continues to pick up in combating al-Qaeda?" said Matthew Waxman, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs and now a law professor at Columbia University.
...

Normally I don't like quoting long articles - I figure if you want to read that much you'll follow the link.  But the Washington Post requires a (free) registration so I posted more than usual.
The rest of the article outlines some of the problems the new administration will face as it constructs a policy for dealing with terrorist suspects.  There are no easy answers.  It sounds simple enough - close Guantanamo.  But the logistics will be incredibly complicated.  And what to do with those released?  Their lives are ruined.  Do we have a responsibility to aid them?  To what extent?  I don't think you can live in those conditions and not sustain some lasting damage.  So there is the human cost.  There is also the fact that being held will make them suspect if they were to be returned home.  Who will take them in?  And what about those who are prosecuted?  What are we going to do with them? 

And perhaps the biggest question of all, what will the policy be for future terrorist suspects?

 
A very thoughtful post, Edie. One of the biggest problems with the Bush Admin is that they went headlong into Iraq without any forethought or planning, and left a huge mess in its wake. This is one of them. If those guys weren't terrorists when they went in, you could believe that they are now.

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Posted: Nov 12, 2008 - 7:40am

Guantanamo Closure Called Obama Priority
By Peter Finn
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
The Obama administration will launch a review of the classified files of the approximately 250 detainees at Guantanamo Bay immediately after taking office, as part of an intensive effort to close the U.S. prison in Cuba, according to people who advised the campaign on detainee issues.

Announcing the closure of the controversial detention facility would be among the most potent signals the incoming administration could send of its sharp break with the Bush era, according to the advisers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak for the president-elect. They believe the move would create a global wave of diplomatic and popular goodwill that could accelerate the transfer of some detainees to other countries.

But the advisers, as well as outside national security and legal experts, said the new administration will face a thicket of legal, diplomatic, political and logistical challenges to closing the prison and prosecuting the most serious offenders in the United States — an effort that could take many months or longer. Among the thorniest issues will be how to build effective cases without using evidence obtained by torture, an issue that attorneys for the detainees will almost certainly seek to exploit.

Moreover, the new administration will face hard decisions regarding not just the current Guantanamo Bay detainees but also how it will handle future captures of terrorism suspects. It is unclear whether President-elect Barack Obama would consider holding some suspects without charge on national security grounds. His transition team denied reports this week that it was contemplating some form of preventive detention backed by a new civilian national security court. The idea has been a staple of legal debates over the future of Guantanamo Bay for the past year, but Obama advisers believe it would meet fierce congressional resistance.

"A great deal of attention has been focused on Guantanamo, as it should be, but Guantanamo is a symptom of a much larger question: Where and how is the U.S. going to detain and interrogate terrorist suspects it continues to pick up in combating al-Qaeda?" said Matthew Waxman, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs and now a law professor at Columbia University.
...

Normally I don't like quoting long articles - I figure if you want to read that much you'll follow the link.  But the Washington Post requires a (free) registration so I posted more than usual.
The rest of the article outlines some of the problems the new administration will face as it constructs a policy for dealing with terrorist suspects.  There are no easy answers.  It sounds simple enough - close Guantanamo.  But the logistics will be incredibly complicated.  And what to do with those released?  Their lives are ruined.  Do we have a responsibility to aid them?  To what extent?  I don't think you can live in those conditions and not sustain some lasting damage.  So there is the human cost.  There is also the fact that being held will make them suspect if they were to be returned home.  Who will take them in?  And what about those who are prosecuted?  What are we going to do with them? 

And perhaps the biggest question of all, what will the policy be for future terrorist suspects?


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