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black321 wrote: miamizsun wrote: since you didn't ask me i'll give my take i tend to agree with you and it is easy to see that this is set up to fail if he invades: this aggression like all other aggressions on peaceful people will eventually default after enough loss of life, resources and support they will make a effort to save some sort of face and leave how long will that take? who knows and putin will be responsible, but he will blame someone else if he should come to his senses and do the right thing: then he will leave and make a effort to save some sort of face authoritarian social tech is dead, he just won't admit it
Or they invade, set up their own puppet, then leave. Win-win makes very little sense, unless Putin truly is locked in a pre-1989 mindset. He would immediately suffer major economic sanctions. His export revenue would plummet. He'd have a hornets nest of opposition that he would have to repress à la Belarus, except it would probably turn out much more brutal if it were to be effective. There is growing opposition at home to his leadership and I'm pretty sure a lot of Russians wouldn't feel too hot about a brutal repression of Ukrainians. addendum: he would also have pissed off his trading partners in Europe and massively frightened the Baltic states and Poland, which will only push them more towards the west and harden the border to the east, which will further reduce trade and exchange. So he wins on the strong man stakes at home but loses on just about every other metric. Makes no sense. addendum #2 and if his plan is to replace all European trade with China, that bears additional risks, making him dependent on one single foreign power that has way more economic clout than he does.. I don't get it.
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Feb 18, 2022 - 8:34am |
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miamizsun wrote:
since you didn't ask me i'll give my take
i tend to agree with you and it is easy to see that this is set up to fail
if he invades: this aggression like all other aggressions on peaceful people will eventually default
after enough loss of life, resources and support they will make a effort to save some sort of face and leave
how long will that take? who knows
and putin will be responsible, but he will blame someone else
if he should come to his senses and do the right thing:
then he will leave and make a effort to save some sort of face
authoritarian social tech is dead, he just won't admit it
Or they invade,
set up their own puppet,
then leave.
Win-win
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Feb 18, 2022 - 8:23am |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:Ok, smarty pants, so what's your take? All just a sham to wear down NATO patience? Seems to be a lot of effort for very little prospect of reward for the Russians.
since you didn't ask me i'll give my take
i tend to agree with you and it is easy to see that this is set up to fail
if he invades: this aggression like all other aggressions on peaceful people will eventually default
after enough loss of life, resources and support they will make a effort to save some sort of face and leave
how long will that take? who knows
and putin will be responsible, but he will blame someone else
if he should come to his senses and do the right thing:
then he will leave and make a effort to save some sort of face
authoritarian social tech is dead, he just won't admit it
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westslope wrote: NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: You are rather new to this, aren't you? Ok, smarty pants, so what's your take? All just a sham to wear down NATO patience? Seems to be a lot of effort for very little prospect of reward for the Russians.
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Feb 18, 2022 - 7:51am |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
You are rather new to this, aren't you?
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black321 wrote: NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: Wasn't the deal to wait until the Ghina olympics were over? First domino Ukraine, second Taiwan... That would be a real double whammy if China moves on Taiwan now. But, yes, you're right. From a Chinese perspective it would make sense.
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Wasn't the deal to wait until the Ghina olympics were over? First domino Ukraine, second Taiwan...
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Lazy8 wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote:He's not going to invade unless we screw up which is more and more likely, but if he just farts around and goes home after the "exercises" are complete, "the west" looks like a fool. Or the tanks and troops can stay, and we continue to tie ourselves in knots, and anything we do costs us much much more than it costs him, because Russians can get a tank to the Ukraine border on a railroad flat car and it takes us a C130 and has to cross oceans and continents. Then we get exhausted and leave because pfft the whole thing isn't happening and then the tanks rolls in.
interesting bit of trivia ... check out which company NATO uses to airlift oversized freight around Europe (and beyond) and which country this company is based in. I always thought they were Russian.
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:
He's not going to invade unless we screw up which is more and more likely, but if he just farts around and goes home after the "exercises" are complete, "the west" looks like a fool.
Or the tanks and troops can stay, and we continue to tie ourselves in knots, and anything we do costs us much much more than it costs him, because Russians can get a tank to the Ukraine border on a railroad flat car and it takes us a C130 and has to cross oceans and continents.
Then we get exhausted and leave because pfft the whole thing isn't happening and then the tanks rolls in.
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Feb 15, 2022 - 11:06am |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
I'm guessing they actually paid Putin too much respect. The best response would have been to not react at all and keep all your nationals in Ukraine in place. That would have taken the wind out of his sails and left him either having to stand down (and lose face) or actually go through with what in all likelihood was an empty threat at enormous risk.
The man is actually grasping at straws. Probably enjoying the strategic challenge of it all - i.e. how to survive when so much is going against you, like you would a great chess game, but he actually doesn't have a very strong base. The desperate position he is in is the one variable that is in fact kind of scary. You just don't really know how he's going to react.
He's not going to invade unless we screw up which is more and more likely, but if he just farts around and goes home after the "exercises" are complete, "the west" looks like a fool.
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black321 wrote: NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: So what does Biden & Nato know, to ignore this advice...or are they just dumb? I'm guessing they actually paid Putin too much respect. The best response would have been to not react at all and keep all your nationals in Ukraine in place. That would have taken the wind out of his sails and left him either having to stand down (and lose face) or actually go through with what in all likelihood was an empty threat at enormous risk. The man is actually grasping at straws. Probably enjoying the strategic challenge of it all - i.e. how to survive when so much is going against you, like you would a great chess game, but he actually doesn't have a very strong base. The desperate position he is in is the one variable that is in fact kind of scary. You just don't really know how he's going to react.
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Feb 15, 2022 - 6:30am |
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black321 wrote:
So what does Biden & Nato know, to ignore this advice...or are they just dumb?
I would venture to guess "typically moronic."
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Feb 15, 2022 - 6:19am |
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Red_Dragon wrote: black321 wrote:
So what does Biden & Nato know, to ignore this advice...or are they just dumb?
I honestly don't believe Putin has any intention of invading Ukraine. It would become another quagmire like Afghanistan, only worse. Agreed, the only reason he would do it, is if he has lost all touch with reality.. OTOH, looking at all those epically long tables he likes...
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Feb 14, 2022 - 5:06pm |
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black321 wrote:
So what does Biden & Nato know, to ignore this advice...or are they just dumb?
I honestly don't believe Putin has any intention of invading Ukraine. It would become another quagmire like Afghanistan, only worse.
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Feb 14, 2022 - 3:59pm |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
So what does Biden & Nato know, to ignore this advice...or are they just dumb?
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Feb 14, 2022 - 12:49pm |
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Putin will do what Putin will do.
No one can stop him, except his own people. And that is highly unlikely.
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Jan 14, 2022 - 8:11am |
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rhahl wrote:
What the West gets wrong about Putinhttps://unherd.com/2022/01/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-putin/ No one ever explains the source of Putin's power. I think they just like him.
Two interesting comments; first i find true, and the second not true, but just proves how selfish and stupid americans have become.
Martin Logan
Another piece from someone who doesnât know Putinâor Russiaâ very well.
Putinâs problem (and Russiaâs) is that he wants to be Peter the Great. But all of the latterâs reforms failedâas has every succeeding attempt by Russia to modernize. Putin now resides over a country entirely tied to fossil fuel extraction. Heâ s just suffered1 million excess deaths during the pandemicâin a country with a declining population. All his overseas gambits in Syria, Libya and the CAR were designed to somehow frighten the West into giving back Ukraineâvery much as a mob boss harasses a store owner to get him to pay ransom. All have failedâwhich shows why mob bosses rarely become anything more than mob bosses.
To think that a St Petersburg slum kid who was coopted into the KGB (not exactly the most cultured group on the planet!) is a âgeniusâ is simply delusional.
We are dealing with a slightly smarter version of the siloviki who have over the years bungled countless assassination attempts overseas, and even cluelessly told Navalny the details of his own assassination (!). They also accidentally shoot down airliners
Every gambit Putin has tried in the last 7 years to get Ukraine back has failed. The only reason Ukraine even wants in NATO is because of Putinâs misguided attempts to get it back.
An intelligent Russian leader would have built up his own nation, and thus try to woo Ukraine back in its orbitâfor Ukraineâs own self interest.
This Russian leader is neither intelligent nor successfulâexcept in bamboozling naive westerners into believing ridiculous fantasies.
M. Gatt
According to American media, Putin is the most powerful man in the world. He controls American presidential elections. For years the Americans repeated this on a daily basis. Russians are very proud of their omnipotent leadership.
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Jan 14, 2022 - 7:42am |
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What the West gets wrong about Putinhttps://unherd.com/2022/01/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-putin/ No one ever explains the source of Putin's power. I think they just like him.
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