[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Mixtape Culture Club - Lazy8 - Jun 27, 2022 - 11:10pm
 
The Abortion Wars - kurtster - Jun 27, 2022 - 11:09pm
 
Fascism American-style - R_P - Jun 27, 2022 - 11:09pm
 
Wordle - daily game - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 27, 2022 - 9:58pm
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - Steely_D - Jun 27, 2022 - 9:56pm
 
Trump - ScottN - Jun 27, 2022 - 7:54pm
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Jun 27, 2022 - 7:53pm
 
Living in America - Red_Dragon - Jun 27, 2022 - 6:18pm
 
Supreme Court Rulings - Red_Dragon - Jun 27, 2022 - 4:59pm
 
What is the meaning of this? - oldviolin - Jun 27, 2022 - 3:54pm
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 27, 2022 - 3:39pm
 
I am Thinking of: - maryte - Jun 27, 2022 - 2:14pm
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - kurtster - Jun 27, 2022 - 1:27pm
 
Love is... - islander - Jun 27, 2022 - 12:50pm
 
Guns - kcar - Jun 27, 2022 - 11:27am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - GeneP59 - Jun 27, 2022 - 10:44am
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - GeneP59 - Jun 27, 2022 - 10:39am
 
Economix - R_P - Jun 27, 2022 - 10:14am
 
M.A.G.A. - R_P - Jun 27, 2022 - 9:43am
 
Using Words to Frame a Political Issue - oldviolin - Jun 27, 2022 - 8:52am
 
Britain - Red_Dragon - Jun 27, 2022 - 8:40am
 
RightWingNutZ - Steely_D - Jun 27, 2022 - 8:25am
 
Words, acronyms, whatever, that changed meaning - Proclivities - Jun 27, 2022 - 7:43am
 
Ukraine - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 27, 2022 - 12:39am
 
Things You Thought Today - Bill_J - Jun 26, 2022 - 7:29pm
 
Name My Band - oldviolin - Jun 26, 2022 - 4:53pm
 
Hockey + Fantasy Hockey - GeneP59 - Jun 26, 2022 - 4:47pm
 
Would you drive this car for dating with ur girl? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 26, 2022 - 3:55pm
 
What Did You Do Today? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 26, 2022 - 3:43pm
 
Poetry Forum - ScottN - Jun 26, 2022 - 9:04am
 
Tech & Science - miamizsun - Jun 26, 2022 - 8:29am
 
Positive Thoughts and Prayer Requests - Antigone - Jun 25, 2022 - 4:48pm
 
Terrorist Watch! - Red_Dragon - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:58pm
 
I like cheese - GeneP59 - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:29pm
 
SECESSION: The Republic of Texas? - Isabeau - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:20pm
 
Counting with Pictures - ScottN - Jun 25, 2022 - 1:15pm
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:28am
 
Today in History - HarleyRider - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:56am
 
What Are You Going To Do Today? - Red_Dragon - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:52am
 
260,000 Posts in one thread? - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:25am
 
How's the weather? - GeneP59 - Jun 24, 2022 - 6:49pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - lminfo - Jun 24, 2022 - 5:12pm
 
Germany - R_P - Jun 24, 2022 - 2:38pm
 
Stuff you bought today. - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 24, 2022 - 10:25am
 
Country Up The Bumpkin - oldviolin - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:42am
 
Memorials - Remembering Our Loved Ones - miamizsun - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:12am
 
Russia - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 23, 2022 - 10:34pm
 
Cryptic Posts - Leave Them Guessing - oldviolin - Jun 23, 2022 - 4:25pm
 
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 23, 2022 - 3:46pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - R_P - Jun 23, 2022 - 12:15pm
 
Outstanding Covers - Steely_D - Jun 23, 2022 - 8:24am
 
Summer vacation plans? - Skydog - Jun 23, 2022 - 5:46am
 
Baseball, anyone? - Skydog - Jun 23, 2022 - 5:25am
 
how do you feel right now? - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 22, 2022 - 9:51pm
 
TV shows you watch - Steely_D - Jun 22, 2022 - 5:54pm
 
Crazy conspiracy theories - Steely_D - Jun 22, 2022 - 2:06pm
 
Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - miamizsun - Jun 22, 2022 - 10:14am
 
Things I Read Today - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 22, 2022 - 9:22am
 
2016 Elections - Skydog - Jun 22, 2022 - 8:28am
 
Sublime Soundtracks - Skydog - Jun 22, 2022 - 5:12am
 
• • •  What's For Dinner ? • • •  - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 21, 2022 - 8:14pm
 
Nuclear power - saviour or scourge? - miamizsun - Jun 21, 2022 - 6:34pm
 
What the world needs now is .... - Skydog - Jun 21, 2022 - 5:27pm
 
World & Eclectic Mix - GetBakedTonight - Jun 21, 2022 - 1:22am
 
Happy Father's Day - Bill_J - Jun 20, 2022 - 8:23pm
 
Animal Resistance - Red_Dragon - Jun 20, 2022 - 3:58pm
 
Movie Recommendation - Manbird - Jun 20, 2022 - 2:46pm
 
Greetings from New York! - kcar - Jun 20, 2022 - 11:01am
 
Lyrics that strike a chord today... - oldviolin - Jun 20, 2022 - 9:48am
 
songs that ROCK! - oldviolin - Jun 20, 2022 - 9:43am
 
Fiverr Anyone? - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 20, 2022 - 8:21am
 
Art Show - Proclivities - Jun 20, 2022 - 7:39am
 
BillyGee's Greatest Segues - Skydog - Jun 20, 2022 - 4:05am
 
Climate Change - R_P - Jun 19, 2022 - 11:45am
 
New Recruit - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 18, 2022 - 4:37pm
 
Index » Regional/Local » Far East » North Korea Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4 ... 13, 14, 15  Next
Post to this Topic
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 26, 2018 - 6:05pm

Kim Jong Un makes history; crosses border for summit with Moon

(...) Kim's news agency said that the leader would "open-heartedly" discuss with Moon "all the issues arising in improving inter-Korean relations and achieving peace, prosperity and reunification of the Korean peninsula" in a "historic" summit. It's the first time one of the ruling Kim leaders has crossed over to the southern side of the Demilitarized Zone since the Korean War ended in 1953.

The greeting of the two leaders was planned to the last detail. Thousands of journalists were kept in a huge conference center well away from the summit, except for a small group of tightly-controlled pool reporters at the border. Moon stood near the Koreas' dividing line, moving forward the moment he glimpsed Kim appearing in front of a building on the northern side. They shook hands with the border line between them. Moon then invited Kim to cross into the South; Kim invited Moon into the North, and they then took a ceremonial photo facing the North and then another photo facing the South. (...)


kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 25, 2018 - 9:45am

 black321 wrote:

honest question: what was/is the plan (besides his use of twitter to instigate?)

 
honest answer: I don't know.  He's made it plain that he will not telegraph exactly what he intends to do or how on matters.  He has however stated his goals.  I trust that he is working on achieving those goals.  So far, so good.  WW III has not started as has been the warning of his detractors. 

We are seeing things happen that have never happened before, things thought to never have been possible.  China is actually cooperating and NK is responding positively.  Have to see how it plays out.
black321

black321 Avatar

Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 24, 2018 - 6:20am

 kurtster wrote:
I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

.


 
honest question: what was/is the plan (besides his use of twitter to instigate?)
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 11:23pm

US and North Korea expectations over denuclearization appear to collide
Signs that the US and North Korea interpretations are worlds apart as Kim Jong-un pledges to keep his country’s arsenal for generations
FourFortyEight

FourFortyEight Avatar

Location: The Dirty South
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 7:43pm

 kurtster wrote:
I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

.


 
Valid.
FourFortyEight

FourFortyEight Avatar

Location: The Dirty South
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 7:42pm

 R_P wrote:

I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some...

 
Be careful with that.  You'll move to a blast radius.  I'm pretty certain.
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 6:58pm

 kurtster wrote:
Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.
 
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some...
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 6:51pm

I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

.



FourFortyEight

FourFortyEight Avatar

Location: The Dirty South
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 5:56pm

 haresfur wrote:
I think Obama screwed up with N Korea. He had a chance to ratchet down the tension with the change in leadership but reacted to N Korean rhetoric and actions that to my mind were far more about their internal politics than external. 

And I think he should have said what Trump is saying, more or less, "We will talk to anybody." But I also think Trump lacks credibility to build peace. Hope I'm wrong about that.

 
Trump has gone into "I know you are but what am I" mode with this guy.

If all of that crap is truly coming from an equal state of IQ and ego, we're probably screwed.  But if it isn't, it's brilliant.  Think about it.

I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen.  I'm just glad that I'm inside a blast radius.


haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 8:15pm

I think Obama screwed up with N Korea. He had a chance to ratchet down the tension with the change in leadership but reacted to N Korean rhetoric and actions that to my mind were far more about their internal politics than external. 

And I think he should have said what Trump is saying, more or less, "We will talk to anybody." But I also think Trump lacks credibility to build peace. Hope I'm wrong about that.
aflanigan

aflanigan Avatar

Location: At Sea
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 4:10pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Seems a little early to assign credit for this uuuge breakthru. After all we've been here—right here—before. And North Korea has played smarter people than Donald Trump before.

 
{#Yes} See also hereApparently NK's promise may be rather meaningless, like agreeing to give up something you no longer possess. 




R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 2:08pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 R_P wrote:

What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...

 
Yep. We should bring everyone home. However, none of our previous administrations got anywhere so what makes them any different?
 
Not gonna happen. What makes them any different? Who's them? And different about what?

PS: Apparently NK is willing to drop the precondition.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:50pm

 R_P wrote:

What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...

 




Yep. We should bring everyone home. However, none of our previous administrations got anywhere so what makes them any different?
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:37pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 R_P wrote:
China has its own agenda and national interest.
 
Lol, ya think? But every country does, there are no true allies and it is naïve and quite possibly dangerous to think so.
 
What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:24pm

 R_P wrote:

China has its own agenda and national interest.

 




Lol, ya think? But every country does, there are no true allies and it is naïve and quite possibly dangerous to think so.
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:08pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 R_P wrote:
The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.

 
Aye, but what prompted the change from China. I am not assigning credit or blame here, I just wonder what prompted the change in behavior because up until now China has been passive aggressively belligerent in any assistance with North Korea.
 
China has its own agenda and national interest.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:03pm

 R_P wrote:
The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.

 





Aye, but what prompted the change from China. I am not assigning credit or blame here, I just wonder what prompted the change in behavior because up until now China has been passive aggressively belligerent in any assistance with North Korea.


R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 12:58pm

The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.
ScottFromWyoming

ScottFromWyoming Avatar

Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 10:13am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I am honestly not sure what you think you read that prompted this reply. 

 
I just found it interesting that you seemed to think that I was praising Trump for positive and thoughtful action rather than just pointing out that Jung Un seems to respond better to a more Neanderthal approach and unlikely long sought for progress might end up being the result heaven forbid.
 
No, I was generally agreeing with you in that it's possible he could be feeling the elephant on his way toward something you and I would consider a positive.  I'm with Lazy, tho, too, so I'm just watching.
 


sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 10:05am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I am honestly not sure what you think you read that prompted this reply. 

 








I just found it interesting that you seemed to think that I was praising Trump for positive and thoughtful action rather than just pointing out that Jung Un seems to respond better to a more Neanderthal approach and unlikely long sought for progress might end up being the result heaven forbid.


Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4 ... 13, 14, 15  Next