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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 5:49pm

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florida has had drag shows for eons
see miami beach, if i recall tampa too
i could be wrong, i don't have time to keep up with all of the political theater
but i think the objection is getting children/kids/minors involved
most of these shows are adult themed, maybe like stripper type performances
maybe a bit risque no?



I don't know about the particulars in Florida, but risque/adult-themed things are one thing.  I get the point of restricting "adult" entertainment to adults, but  banning all drag shows is another thing.  I don't have time to keep up with the theater either.
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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 2:20pm

 Proclivities wrote:

"Cancel culture" is a term constantly lauded by the right, initially to describe responses to their actions or words.  Yes, it can get absurd very often, but to use it as a factor for defining "fascism" is a stretch.  If you want a clear example of a power which seeks to "silence any opposition or debate regarding disagreeable thoughts or ideas rather than engage in a debate and discuss the differences in view points" look no further than the governor of Florida, as well as the legislatures of several other states.  If they don't like drag shows (jeez, what would Milton Berle have to say about that?), or people who are not like they are, just ignore them like they do school shootings.

The Constitution said we should all have access to guns.  It said nothing about allowing seductive indoctrination/grooming dances performed by those who reject their God-given plumbing.  That's not free speech...it's dangerous (remember...guns are for the militia to protect us).

PS - You can also ignore the 14th Amendment about paying our bills... it helps to reduce the number of IRS agents who might recover what's owed by those who don't like to pay taxes (another Constitutional power they'd rather ignore... that "promote the general Welfare" crap was before there were so many counting on social security and medicare).

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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 2:17pm

 Proclivities wrote:

"Cancel culture" is a term constantly lauded by the right, initially to describe responses to their actions or words.  Yes, it can get absurd very often, but to use it as a factor for defining "fascism" is a stretch.  If you want a clear example of a power which seeks to "silence any opposition or debate regarding disagreeable thoughts or ideas rather than engage in a debate and discuss the differences in view points" look no further than the governor of Florida, as well as the legislatures of several other states.  If they don't like drag shows (jeez, what would Milton Berle have to say about that?), or people who are not like they are, just ignore them like they do school shootings.


florida has had drag shows for eons
see miami beach, if i recall tampa too
i could be wrong, i don't have time to keep up with all of the political theater
but i think the objection is getting children/kids/minors involved
most of these shows are adult themed, maybe like stripper type performances
maybe a bit risque no?


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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 1:40pm

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I'll go with Orwell.  A noted anti fascist.  He's been pretty much more right than wrong with his observations as we have come to see.  

While it has definitions, these days it seems to be used against anything or anyone you disagree with and find a need to use a label to dismiss rather than discuss the item or actions in question.  Which is a fascist characteristic.  Silence any opposition or debate regarding disagreeable thoughts or ideas rather than engage in a debate and discuss the differences in view points.  ie, cancel culture.  And which side of the aisle is the chief proponent of cancel culture ?

"Cancel culture" is a term constantly lauded by the right, initially to describe responses to their actions or words.  Yes, it can get absurd very often, but to use it as a factor for defining "fascism" is a stretch.  If you want a clear example of a power which seeks to "silence any opposition or debate regarding disagreeable thoughts or ideas rather than engage in a debate and discuss the differences in view points" look no further than the governor of Florida, as well as the legislatures of several other states.  If they don't like drag shows (jeez, what would Milton Berle have to say about that?), or people who are not like they are, just ignore them like they do school shootings.
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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 1:37pm

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And where is colin kaepernick working these days?  And which side has senators that have resigned for doing something stupid?


From USA Today a few weeks ago...

When Republican lawmakers and talking heads speak these days, this is what I hear:

“I HATE liberal cancel culture and believe in absolute free speech! I would also like to ban, do away with or silence Disney, NPR, Bud Light, the FBI and CIA, this big pile of books over here, M&Ms, Mr. Potatohead, college professors, any Democratic lawmaker I don’t want to hear speak, “wokeness,” any mention of diversity, drag shows, people who defend drag shows, people who defend people who defend drag shows, any mention whatsoever of the existence of LGBTQ people, this other big pile of books over here, the entire Department of Education, PBS and Oreos.”


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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 12:10pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:





And where is colin kaepernick working these days?  And which side has senators that have resigned for doing something stupid?

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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 12:09pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

16 Times Conservatives Tried To Cancel Things, Even Though They Pretend To Hate "Cancel Culture"

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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 11:36am

 kurtster wrote:

which side of the aisle is the chief proponent of cancel culture ?




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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 11:20am

 islander wrote:

Seems to fit pretty well. 
 
I'll go with Orwell.  A noted anti fascist.  He's been pretty much more right than wrong with his observations as we have come to see.  

While it has definitions, these days it seems to be used against anything or anyone you disagree with and find a need to use a label to dismiss rather than discuss the item or actions in question.  Which is a fascist characteristic.  Silence any opposition or debate regarding disagreeable thoughts or ideas rather than engage in a debate and discuss the differences in view points.  ie, cancel culture.  And which side of the aisle is the chief proponent of cancel culture ?
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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 10:32am

 kurtster wrote:


George Orwell wrote in 1944:

...the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.<51>



I don't know ,it's got a definition and all: 


noun

  1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
  2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
  3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Seems to fit pretty well. 
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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 9:57am



George Orwell wrote in 1944:

...the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.[51]

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Posted: May 30, 2023 - 7:00am

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Posted: May 24, 2023 - 1:56pm

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When a single complaint from a parent can ban a book.... the tail is officially wagging the dog.  

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Posted: May 6, 2023 - 9:20am

How do you all really define fascism?

In these times, I find it hard to distinguish - since in a duo-partisan (American) government, one is defining it in just one way, to discredit the other half (in my view, not only Americans love doing that, but "all their vassals")..

Meanwhile.. (if one would read into it)..
..all the public media are being "cleared" towards a unified definition. - What a hoot.

Freedoms taken from the people are abundant. Especially in this digital age, me thinks.

As for fascism in general, I believe that corporatocracy has become the blatant fascism we all keep suffering from together, in these times.

Anyway, just a thought, not intending to (nor believing to) trigger any "earthquake-like-reaction" here on this get-together of well-indoctrinated folks.


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Posted: May 6, 2023 - 7:05am

Nazi Germany and the Contemporary Republican Party
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Posted: May 6, 2023 - 7:02am

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Posted: May 5, 2023 - 3:35pm

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Posted: May 4, 2023 - 6:56pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Texas' hubris believes its own hype and flaunts 'whadya gonna do about it' to an overwhelmed DOJ and vilified FBI. They've been after Ken Paxton, indicted on securities fraud and abuse of office, for the last eight years yet he's managed to get re-elected as State Attorney General for a third term last fall. The highest legal authority in the State.

Texas refuses to even name the current Secretary of State — it's just referred to as "The office of."   Don't tell me Donnie boy wasn't/isn't a decoy.
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