Have I got this right? No one is disputing whether Trump actually did these things, like pay-off a porn-star, rip-off the banks and sleep with an underage girl, they are just disputing how we call them? ffs. How low can you go. This is no longer about party politics. It's about self-respect.
There is no dispute that Trump made a payment to a porn star via a non disclosure agreement. It is over how it was done. There is definitely a dispute over him ripping off a bank as there were no losses incurred by any parties involved and there is definitely a dispute over him sleeping with an underage girl. I did offer a link that pretty well discusses that case and there is no there, there.
This is about how low we can go in political disputes.
I may stand alone here with my views, but out in the real world, I hold and stand with the majority views over these things that we are discussing.
Now tell me again that Trump is a convicted felon.
Trump is a convicted felon.
He is also a master at dragging out the clock, along with his sycophants. If at some point in the future the judge throws out the jury conviction, then he will no longer be a convicted felon. If at some point in the future, if a court overturns the conviction, then he will not be considered a felon legally. Personally, I think the judge should have sentenced him and let them sort it out on appeal since the trial is over.
But, yeah, the supreme court ruling against using anything he said in an official capacity, and his lack of putting a firewall between trump the president and trump the candidate, has effectively crowned him king of your failed democracy.
Have I got this right?
No one is disputing whether Trump actually did these things, like pay-off a porn-star, rip-off the banks and sleep with an underage girl, they are just disputing how we call them?
ffs. How low can you go. This is no longer about party politics. It's about self-respect.
"Lawyer" happens to be Will Scharf who's working for Trump. His claim is that we shouldn't call Trump a convicted felon until Judge Merchan sentences him. I haven't seen or heard of other lawyers without skin in the game agree with Scharf.
I don't give a f%#k about Will Scharf's opinion. Trump's a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist. Deal with it.
Well when you look at the post below and watch the associated video you will find out that Trump is not a convicted felon.
Nor is he a convicted rapist as you allkeep insisting. Words do matter. To continue calling Trump a convicted felon would make you or anyone else who does the same, a liar. I will also no longer refer to Hunter as a convicted felon in light of this information as he has yet to be sentenced. Back to you and anyone else to whom this may apply.
Yes words matter and trump is a convicted felon. And I have never said he is a convicted rapist. He was found guilty in a civil case, which is pretty damning and he has been accused of rape by multiple women including his ex wife. No, that is not the same as a criminal conviction. But we all know that criminal convictions, particularly with older cases are hard to prosecute. He admitted to groping women against their will.
Well when you look at the post below and watch the associated video you will find out that Trump is not a convicted felon. Nor is he a convicted rapist as you all keep insisting.
Words do matter.
To continue calling Trump a convicted felon would make you or anyone else who does the same, a liar.
I will also no longer refer to Hunter as a convicted felon in light of this information as he has yet to be sentenced.
Back to you and anyone else to whom this may apply.
Trump was convicted on 34 felony counts by a jury of his peers in a criminal court. He is a convicted felon appealing his sentence.
If he were not a convicted felon, he would not be facing a sentencing hearing in September. He also would not have to report to a parole officer.
If a person is convicted of a felony—say, raping your cousin—he can be sentenced while he's appealing the decision. He's still regarded as a convicted felon—or perhaps you think that's still innocent and should be allowed to do whatever he likes during the appeal. So, theoretically, he could try to rape your cousin again or your wife while he's out on appeal.
The opinion of lawyers experienced in such matters is that Trump's chances of a successful appeal are slim, btw.
Yes, you can call Hunter Biden a convicted felon by following my logic.
Trump has also been judged a rapist by a jury of his peers. The statute of limitations for filing criminal charges against Trump had expired, so the matter was addressed in civil court through codified legal standards, protocols and practices.
Trump is an adjudicated rapist appealing that judgment.
Words do matter. So does facing facts even when you don't like them. You can't wish an alternate reality into existence, Kurt.
Well when you look at the post below and watch the associated video you will find out that Trump is not a convicted felon. Nor is he a convicted rapist as you all keep insisting.
Words do matter.
To continue calling Trump a convicted felon would make you or anyone else who does the same, a liar.
I will also no longer refer to Hunter as a convicted felon in light of this information as he has yet to be sentenced.
Back to you and anyone else to whom this may apply.
Yes words matter and trump is a convicted felon. And I have never said he is a convicted rapist. He was found guilty in a civil case, which is pretty damning and he has been accused of rape by multiple women including his ex wife. No, that is not the same as a criminal conviction. But we all know that criminal convictions, particularly with older cases are hard to prosecute. He admitted to groping women against their will.
Kurt, Let's get back to the supreme court issues and your continued support for trump even though he is a convicted felon. You use every slippery move possible to avoid saying that, or any of the other crimes he is accused of disqualify him as president. Oh, his appeal hasn't gone through to get a ruling from the Supreme Court? Most other felons are sentenced and serve time and maybe, eventually their appeals wind through the process and maybe are taken up by the Supreme Court years later. Usually that won't happen. Sure, due process and all before they are convicted. But once someone is convicted of a crime, they are considered a criminal. You are willing to vote for a felon for president. No way around that. You will continue to turn a blind eye to his being a felon and all indications he is a creep, including his own wife saying he raped her. Your bar for his behaviour is set at it is ok until the Supreme Court rules against him. Oh, and the places like all his attempts to tamper with the election where the Supreme Court ruled against him don't count. And the many legal cases that he and his organisation have lost don't count if they were not criminal cases. So if you wonder why several people here treat your opinions with contempt, that's probably a lot of it.
Well when you look at the post below and watch the associated video you will find out that Trump is not a convicted felon. Nor is he a convicted rapist as you all keep insisting.
Words do matter.
To continue calling Trump a convicted felon would make you or anyone else who does the same, a liar.
I will also no longer refer to Hunter as a convicted felon in light of this information as he has yet to be sentenced.
Back to you and anyone else to whom this may apply.
WTF are you talking about ? What does this have to do with the topic which was the SCOTUS ? I don't recall making any such statements. Show me the quotes. You're channeling someone else, maybe veev ? Sounds like something he would say.
You're fascination with rape is beyond comprehension. Rape this, rape that, here a rape there a rape, everywhere a rape, rape ... old Mac kcar had a dream e, i, e, i, oh ....
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Do you fantasize about it ? Did your mommy cut you off too soon ?
You have seriously gone off the reservation. You're too far gone to talk to at all anymore.
Geezus, you really need to get laid, stat !!
Or maybe canoeing ...
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Kurt,
Let's get back to the supreme court issues and your continued support for trump even though he is a convicted felon.
You use every slippery move possible to avoid saying that, or any of the other crimes he is accused of disqualify him as president. Oh, his appeal hasn't gone through to get a ruling from the Supreme Court? Most other felons are sentenced and serve time and maybe, eventually their appeals wind through the process and maybe are taken up by the Supreme Court years later. Usually that won't happen. Sure, due process and all before they are convicted. But once someone is convicted of a crime, they are considered a criminal. You are willing to vote for a felon for president. No way around that.
You will continue to turn a blind eye to his being a felon and all indications he is a creep, including his own wife saying he raped her. Your bar for his behaviour is set at it is ok until the Supreme Court rules against him. Oh, and the places like all his attempts to tamper with the election where the Supreme Court ruled against him don't count. And the many legal cases that he and his organisation have lost don't count if they were not criminal cases.
So if you wonder why several people here treat your opinions with contempt, that's probably a lot of it.
Trump's still a rapist and a convicted felon, pendejo. He still owes over half a billion dollars in civil damages. He cannot stop lying. He sucked as president.
Traci Lords is irrelevant to this "discussion."
I can understand why you support Trump. He's a clown and you're a clown. But still: GFY and wipe your ass while you're at it.
Good lord, you're the very model of an illogical and immature fool. Have you ever successfully argued a position, for real benefits/consequences in your life? I'd wager: never
Burden of proof is on you, dipshit. But do continue screaming at the clouds.
Trump's still a rapist and a convicted felon, pendejo. He still owes over half a billion dollars in civil damages. He cannot stop lying. He sucked as president.
Traci Lords is irrelevant to this "discussion."
I can understand why you support Trump. He's a clown and you're a clown. But still: GFY and wipe your ass while you're at it.
Except you still can't/won't provide your evidence. So once again, you're just a pointless mosquito. Find something better to do on the 4th of July, dipshit.
Already did, just to refresh my memory. Maybe YOU should re-read the Wiki article! Then I also read news reports on charges laid and outcomes. And it's YOUR claims that are in need of defending & proving - not mine. Nice try though.
Get busy and provide some proof! FYI - Wiki is not proof.
And no, I'm not going to provide research for you, dipshit.
Except you still can't/won't provide your evidence. So once again, you're just a pointless mosquito. Find something better to do on the 4th of July, dipshit.
Falsehoods so easily provable that you couldn't provide evidence to support your claim! Huh!
I referred to Traci Lord's Wikipedia entry and this Wikipedia article about the related trial and conviction of a video distributor. Read them, Beaker.
Already did, just to refresh my memory. Maybe YOU should re-read the Wiki article! Then I also read news reports on charges laid and outcomes. And it's YOUR claims that are in need of defending & proving - not mine. Nice try though.
Get busy and provide some proof! FYI - Wiki is not proof.
And no, I'm not going to provide research for you, dipshit.
If you're going to cite as an example, the underage Traci Lords, you really should be aware of the facts of how she entered the business, made films, and took part in photoshoots for adult mags.
Uttering easily provable falsehoods and lies to support your narrative only illustrates your ignorance and bias on the topic itself.
Falsehoods so easily provable that you couldn't provide evidence to support your claim! Huh!
I referred to Traci Lord's Wikipedia entry and this Wikipedia article about the related trial and conviction of a video distributor. Read them, Beaker.
You're fascination with rape is beyond comprehension. Rape this, rape that, here a rape there a rape, everywhere a rape, rape ... old Mac kcar had a dream e, i, e, i, oh ....
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The claims of rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment against Trump are numerous and long-established. In one incident of a rape claim, a jury of Trump's peers believed the claim was true and awarded E. Jean Carroll $5 million in damages for Trump's defamation of her character. A second jury awarded Carroll $83.3 million in further damages, basing that decision on their belief that Carroll's story of Trump raping her was true and that his statements about her after the first decision were therefore defamatory as well.
The claims of rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment against Trump reveal his pattern of violent criminal behavior, abuse of power and use of threats and coercion to silence the women. Trump's sexual behavior and his behavior in defense of his predatory acts are on their own perfect demonstrations that he's unfit to be president.
Your desperate attempts to defend his rape of Carroll and your silence on the other claims of sex crimes against Trump show quite clearly that when it comes to Trump, your moral compass and ability to think rationally disappear.
Frankly, if you're not being paid to shill for Trump you're missing out on big money. It's gotten to the point where I have no respect for you or your claims. I see people like you as a clear sign that we are near the end of democracy, truth and fairness in this country.
âThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.â —Ben Franklin
Traci was 15 IIRC when she passed herself off as 18 using a doctored passport from another person.
Inaccurate/false.
kcar wrote:
People went to prison for failing to do due diligence on verifying her age.
False x 2
If you're going to cite as an example, the underage Traci Lords, you really should be aware of the facts of how she entered the business, made films, and took part in photoshoots for adult mags.
Uttering easily provable falsehoods and lies to support your narrative only illustrates your ignorance and bias on the topic itself.
