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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:55am

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And where does that money go? 

 
 

 
Ah the classic 'Mercan mcmansion - all crass, no class.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:52am

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Where does bulk of the campaign $$$'s go ?

It goes to Madison Avenue and the Media in the form of advertising. 
 
And where does that money go? 

 
 
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:41am

Where does bulk of the campaign $$$'s go ?

It goes to Madison Avenue and the Media in the form of advertising. 
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:25am

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why?

 
Because we have convinced ourselves about American exceptionalism and believe all the rhetoric, instead of actually looking at the problems and being reasonable about solving them.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:20am

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Everything is broken
 

 
why?
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:19am

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And where better that wasted money could be spent?

 
Everything is broken
 
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:17am

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And I wonder if more could be accomplished in DC if there wasn't this perpetual election cycle. Oh, wait, probably not...

 
And where better that wasted money could be spent?
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:07am

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“What we Americans go through to pick a president is not only crazy and unnecessary but genuinely abusive. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent in a craven, cynical effort to stir up hatred and anger on both sides. A decision that in reality takes one or two days of careful research to make is somehow stretched out into a process that involves two years of relentless, suffocating mind-warfare, an onslaught of toxic media messaging directed at liberals, conservatives and everyone in between that by Election Day makes every dinner conversation dangerous and literally divides families.”
~Matt Taibbi

 
And I wonder if more could be accomplished in DC if there wasn't this perpetual election cycle. Oh, wait, probably not...
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 6:04am

 hippiechick wrote:
“What we Americans go through to pick a president is not only crazy and unnecessary but genuinely abusive. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent in a craven, cynical effort to stir up hatred and anger on both sides. A decision that in reality takes one or two days of careful research to make is somehow stretched out into a process that involves two years of relentless, suffocating mind-warfare, an onslaught of toxic media messaging directed at liberals, conservatives and everyone in between that by Election Day makes every dinner conversation dangerous and literally divides families.”
~Matt Taibbi

 
Exactly right except it's not "just" hundreds of millions anymore. 
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Posted: Oct 12, 2012 - 5:59am

“What we Americans go through to pick a president is not only crazy and unnecessary but genuinely abusive. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent in a craven, cynical effort to stir up hatred and anger on both sides. A decision that in reality takes one or two days of careful research to make is somehow stretched out into a process that involves two years of relentless, suffocating mind-warfare, an onslaught of toxic media messaging directed at liberals, conservatives and everyone in between that by Election Day makes every dinner conversation dangerous and literally divides families.”
~Matt Taibbi
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Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 11:28pm

Cripes the polls are looking a bit tight now.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:39am

No difference?

Mitt Romney reveals his magical tax plan math. And it looks just like Bush's.

 
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:32am

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Is anybody going to do anything about the voter intimidation perpetrated by that Siegel jerkwad? Threatening to lay off employees if Obama is re-elected? That is not free speech, that is voter intimidation, and it is illegal.

I predict not.

 
Wah wah wah

CEO Of Westgate Resorts Threatens Workers With Unemployment If Obama Elected


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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:31am

 black321 wrote:

Right.  What does concern me is he will likely be less friendly with environmental issues...not that the dems are much better, but it is the one major issue I see where the two parties really do differ on a federal level. 

 

This is true, but I think we have already flown the coop on that one and are screwed no matter what. If the environment is your concern, I see no other choice than the Green party and anyone who proclaims to be truly concerned about the environment and votes Democratic are either ill informed or clouded by other partisan issues cause inevitably as you said, Democrats are utlimately owned by the same corporations who rely on the status quo as the Republicans.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:26am

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I see him in exactly the same light and because of this he has a very good chance at getting elected and I actually believe to be a good thing ultimately if he does become President because he does not passionately hold the social views that the evangelical, social conservatives do.  This brings me some comfort going into the what appears to be first Romney administration.  As far as what actually happens, I don't see it being much different than the Obama administration, which overall is probably not a good thing, but at least we don't have to worry about turning the social clock back because I don't see that as a Romney concern ala Reagans betrayal of the Evangelicals that supported his election.

 
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:25am

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I see him in exactly the same light and because of this he has a very good chance at getting elected and I actually believe to be a good thing ultimately if he does become President because he does not passionately hold the social views that the evangelical, social conservatives do.  This brings me some comfort going into the what appears to be first Romney administration.  As far as what actually happens, I don't see it being much different than the Obama administration, which overall is probably not a good thing, but at least we don't have to worry about turning the social clock back because I don't see that as a Romney concern ala Reagans betrayal of the Evangelicals that supported his election.

 
Right.  What does concern me is he will likely be less friendly with environmental issues...not that the dems are much better, but it is the one major issue I see where the two parties really do differ on a federal level. 
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:21am

 black321 wrote:
Romney now promising no abortion legislation...that may provide him with what he needs to win.  Romney is a product, and he will "reformat" his positions to create a product the public is willing to buy, like a CEO who changes styles as he moves from company to company.   I dont believe he has any personal agenda other than to be president - not sure if that is good or bad thing?

 

I see him in exactly the same light and because of this he has a very good chance at getting elected and I actually believe to be a good thing ultimately if he does become President because he does not passionately hold the social views that the evangelical, social conservatives do.  This brings me some comfort going into the what appears to be first Romney administration.  As far as what actually happens, I don't see it being much different than the Obama administration, which overall is probably not a good thing, but at least we don't have to worry about turning the social clock back because I don't see that as a Romney concern ala Reagans betrayal of the Evangelicals that supported his election.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:18am

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I preface this by saying im not a supporter...but if his history shows anything, he will do whatever he thinks the people expect him to do...like he did in Mass. and what he did to get the GOP support.  My guess he will become more middle of the road, reflecting the country's mixed goals, if he becomes president.  In Mass his legacy was Romneycare.  The question is, what will his new legacy issue be?  I would guess fixing the economy, but at what cost?  More deficits or more divide among the haves and have nots?

 
Right now the Republicans are in charge, and he will do whatever they want him to do.

Hw will also get to appoint at least one SC judge, who will then have the opportunity to throw over affirmative action, Roe v Wade, etc.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:16am

 hippiechick wrote:

How can anyone believe a man who changes from "hard conservative" (his words) to a squishy moderate? This man has no values whatsoever. Who knows what he will actually do if elected.

 
I preface this by saying im not a supporter...but if his history shows anything, he will do whatever he thinks the people expect him to do...like he did in Mass. and what he did to get the GOP support.  My guess he will become more middle of the road, reflecting the country's mixed goals, if he becomes president.  In Mass his legacy was Romneycare.  The question is, what will his new legacy issue be?  I would guess fixing the economy, but at what cost?  More deficits or more divide among the haves and have nots?

As I said, I really dont think he has a personal agenda, like getting rid of abortion, rounding up all the terrorists....
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:10am

 black321 wrote:
Romney now promising no abortion legislation...that may provide him with what he needs to win.  Romney is a product, and he will "reformat" his positions to create a product the public is willing to buy, like a CEO who changes styles as he moves from company to company.   I dont believe he has any personal agenda other than to be president - not sure if that is good or bad thing?

 
How can anyone believe a man who changes from "hard conservative" (his words) to a squishy moderate? This man has no values whatsoever. Who knows what he will actually do if elected.
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