Red_Dragon wrote:
Fraud?  Really?   Or just plain old ordinary incompetence?

More actual vote fraud...

 westslope wrote:
Right now we're seeing a period where bullies rule. Armed, angry (no matter what the circumstance), and entitled. How do you deal with people like bullies? 

In school, there was authority - but in the States the authority is littered with people who agree with the anger and are in a position to take it out on the innocent - and not be taken to task because their superiors are in on the deal or hamstrung by rules someone else imposed.

The USA is far past its peak as a nation. People are starving, undereducated or misinformed, homeless, discouraged from voting, and see - clearly - that the people in charge care nothing for their lot. There is no coherent plan for health care, housing, infrastructure - or even cooperation. The country is at war with itself, internally.

How hard is it to imagine a future where, fed up with waiting and trying, they just start rising up?

 R_P wrote:
Election officials and volunteers provide an essential, foundational service.  Perhaps we should stop taking them for granted?  

Mind you in the background, sales associates in big box stores like Home Depot here in Canada have been abused and assaulted by customers due to disagreements about masking policies.  

I hope we are going through a phase and not trending to less civility, more abuse and more violence.  

After a Nightmare Year, Election Officials Are Quitting
The draining work of 2020 has spurred resignations and retirements. In a recent survey, one in three officials said they felt unsafe in the jobs.

The 2020 election was brutal for election officials by any measure. Beyond the added burden of a record turnout, many effectively found themselves conducting two votes — the one they had traditionally overseen at polling places, and a second mail-in vote that dwarfed that of past elections. The pandemic led to shortages of poll workers and money for masks and other protection equipment and vastly complicated voting preparations.

Atop that, baseless claims of rigged voting and vote-counting by President Donald J. Trump and other Republicans elevated once-obscure auditors and clerks to public figures. And it made them targets for vilification by Trump supporters.

A report issued last week by the Bipartisan Policy Center and the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University underscored the consequences: In a survey of election officials, one in three said they felt unsafe in the jobs. One in five said they were concerned about death threats.

Better than three in four said the explosion of disinformation about elections had made their jobs harder. More than half said it had made them more dangerous.

“The fact that one in three election workers doesn’t feel safe in their jobs is an extraordinary number and a real challenge to our democracy,” said Miles Rapoport, a senior democracy fellow at Harvard University’s Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation. The center contributed to the report.

If lies and misstatements continue to fuel mistrust of elections and a hostility toward those who run them, “the entire infrastructure of how the nation governs itself becomes at risk,” he said.

You got a poisoned well...

 oldviolin wrote:

I could take up a collection for you. 

 Manbird wrote: 
I wouldn't touch a poll with a ten foot..um..hot air balloon..something...

 haresfur wrote:

Thank you! I was worried when I first saw the headline...


The craziness continues: one woman was instrumental in pushing forward the crackpot notion that Italian operatives "in coordination with senior CIA officials" had hacked into military satellites to change 2020 presidential election vote counts. She's also falsely claimed to own a $30 million mansion. The conspiracy theory is quite involved and seriously nutso. 

‘Italygate’ election conspiracy theory was pushed by two firms led by woman who also falsely claimed $30 million mansion was hers

 Red_Dragon wrote:

The Make me Shirt

 Manbird wrote:



C'mon, tell us what you really think.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I don't believe polls anymore. People will respond with what they want to have happened, what they think should have happened and they flat out fucking lie. Fucking lying liars. They know who won the election but they just want to fuck with the polls. I bet in reality it's more like half of the poll results. Lying fucks. Dishonesty is the Republican ethos so why the hell would they have the integrity to respond honestly to a poll.  And also nevermind because I misread the article title.  But still... 

 Red_Dragon wrote:
fixed

Poll: Most Americans reject validity of 2020 election audits

 haresfur wrote:

He's saving us from socialism, and the Democrats. And preserving Our Way of Life from those folks with different colored skin.

 haresfur wrote:

What policies? Grifting?

 Red_Dragon wrote:

But I like trump's policies so I don't care if he tried to overthrow the republic*
*Probable response

'Pure insanity': Justice Dept. rebuffed Trump bid to overturn election

Mike Lindell Is 100 Percent Sure the Supreme Court Will Vote 9-0 to ‘Pull Down’ the 2020 Presidential Election

Lindell’s 26-minute video features someone Lindell describes as a computer expert who he said has been reviewing “millions of lines of data” that someone—who, we don’t know—gave Lindell on Jan. 9. Lindell claimed that the data proves there were “thousands” of hacks from China and “millions and millions of votes that were flipped in our election by China from Trump to Biden.”

“China did it,” Lindell said, calling it “a cyberattack of historic proportions” and “the biggest crime against our country and humanity I can think of ever.”

The unnamed “expert” Lindell hired to review the files, who appeared with his face digitally hidden from view, said the data had been recorded in real time during alleged hacks on election night, akin to capturing a bank robbery on video. They claimed that their analysis of just 20 of the “thousands” of attacks from China demonstrated enough flipped votes to reverse the election results in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

Lindell asked his expert to verify for viewers that Lindell had demanded that they carefully validate all their evidence, and the expert affirmed that “we validated the validation that was validated.”

“This isn’t subjective,” Lindell insisted. It is “irrefutable,” his supposed expert agreed.

Experts Call It A 'Clown Show' But Arizona 'Audit' Is A Disinformation Blueprint

Actual vote fraud.