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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:29am

 RichardPrins wrote:

I don't see anyone threatening you here. You on the other hand have proposed taking away people's social security to prevent immigrants from coming, thus impacting the lives of both old and disabled people.

The Breivik comparison is particularly apt because it's both the same enemy and the same scapegoats that are being used. When that's pointed out, the offensive ones feel offended.

 
If you compare me to Breivik, I compare you to Volkert van der Graaf. Volkert was also a big fan of the term scapegoat and used it often, even on his trial. It's pointless isn't it? I don't share the ideas and visions of Breivik and deepdown below your troll skin you know that very well. I also know very well that you don't think you are comparable to Volkert and I accept that as a fact.
So why the demonization? Shall we behave now as grown ups?

About the social security: there are different mechanics. For older people we have pensions. For disabled people we have a wide area of social security programs.
I am only talking about the 'bijstandsuitkering'. I would propose to change that to a system that's temporal like the equivalent system TANF in the USA. I already wrote about it, but hey that's hard to troll about so you ignored it.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:27am

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En garde! {#War}
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:21am

 RichardPrins wrote:

{#Roflol}

 


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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:16am

 Kaw wrote:
(...) Killing and death threats are done by both islamic fundamentalists and leftside liberals. Funny isn't it?
 
I don't see anyone threatening you here. You on the other hand have proposed taking away people's social security to prevent immigrants from coming, thus impacting the lives of both old and disabled people.

The Breivik comparison is particularly apt because it's both the same enemy and the same scapegoats that are being used. When that's pointed out, the offensive ones feel offended.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:16am

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Poor refugees adrift in the Med... oh wait... don't stand up you fool! Crop him out!
 

 
If we don't take them in they'll never learn to swim or improve at propaganda.Are you able to live with that?
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:08am

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I'm calling for two inappropriate personal attacks to be retracted.
 
{#Roflol}
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:05am

 RichardPrins wrote:
Are you getting politically correct on us now? 


I'm calling for two inappropriate personal attacks to be retracted. 
 


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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 5:04am

 rotekz wrote:
I have to agree. Saying that other members belong to ISIS or are akin to Anders Breivik is crossing a line. These statements should be retracted. 

Are you getting politically correct on us now?
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 4:54am

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The Dutch police are actually visiting citizens to threaten them with sedition charges if they tweet opinions critical of government policy on mass immigration.

‘You Tweet A Lot… Watch Your Tone’: Cops Threaten Dutch Man For Opposing Govt Mass Migration Plans

 
People demonstrating against new refugee shelters literally have been hunted down and brought to justice the day after, while sexually assaulted girls in Almere got the advice from the police not to file a complaint. They would get in trouble with certain people because they accused certain north african looking people that could have been refugees (and you simply do not accuse refugees in a civilized country.) This changed after a women got raped by 4 refugees, again in Almere. This news also reached the leftist media and they finally reported about it. (the taboo is gone since Cologne) The police reacted that they were not ammused that this news reached the media because the orrigins of the accused were not important. Since then the girls are taken more seriously, but politicians and police still are trying to hide and discourage media to bring news about refugees and immigrants doing criminal acts. Normally the police gives news and statements about this kind of things, but the media now has to rely on facebook and twitter for news on this subject. And guess what... The police visit you at home now if you are open about the things happening in and around refugee shelters.

This is Europe. This is freedom of speech.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 4:39am

The Dutch police are actually visiting citizens to threaten them with sedition charges if they tweet opinions critical of government policy on mass immigration.

‘You Tweet A Lot… Watch Your Tone’: Cops Threaten Dutch Man For Opposing Govt Mass Migration Plans




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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 3:23am

In the Telegraph just yesterday:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12123333/Refugee-routes-main-tactic-for-Isil-terrorists-to-get-in-to-Europe-and-launch-attacks-British-intelligence-officials-fear.html

Isil exploiting migrant routes to smuggle jihadists back to Britain using fake documents

Intelligence officials fear terror groups are increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to set up jihadist sleeper cells throughout Europe


Isil jihadists are exploiting the migrant crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe with fake passports they can then use to travel to the UK, British intelligence officials fear.

They are mainly travelling on fake Syrian or Iraqi passports which are now so sophisticated it is almost impossible to distinguish between genuine refugees and terror suspects.

The concerns will increase pressure on European leaders to get a grip on the migrant crisis that is engulfing the EU.

 

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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 3:16am

 Kaw wrote:

It's funny that they repeat the behaviour that has happend to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn Ultimately he was killed for speaking out loud about the problems the country faced with muslim immigrants. Theo van Gogh, a film maker, got killed because he criticised the islam. Geert Wilders has 24h security too and receives death threats every single day. Hirsi Ali, a somalian woman with an opinion against the islam had to flee the country for similar reasons.

Killing and death threats are done by both islamic fundamentalists and leftside liberals. Funny isn't it?

 
In Britain Tommy Robinson from Pegida UK got put in prison on trumped up charges in the SAME wing as Islamic terrorists who had tried to blow up one of his rallies. The state wanted him dead. This happened more than once. If you organise political resistance to the Islamisation of the West you have to live under the constant threat of assassination. 
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 3:05am

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I have to agree. Saying that other members belong to ISIS or are akin to Anders Breivik is crossing a line. These statements should be retracted.

 
It's funny that they repeat the behaviour that has happend to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn Ultimately he was killed for speaking out loud about the problems the country faced with muslim immigrants. Theo van Gogh, a film maker, got killed because he criticised the islam. Geert Wilders has 24h security too and receives death threats every single day. Hirsi Ali, a somalian woman with an opinion against the islam had to flee the country for similar reasons.

Killing and death threats are done by both islamic fundamentalists and leftside liberals. Funny isn't it?
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:43am

 Kaw wrote:

Ok, im Pegida, IS and Breivik all in one now. This is called demonization. Do you know why you take this route in the discussion?

Same facts about me:
- I don't want war
- I don't want to kill or hurt people in any way
- I value human rights for every human
- I don't want to destroy any nation, democracy or system
- I won't physically fight for idea's. I believe in democracy and debate.

So you can stop the accusations. It's getting silly now.
 


 
I have to agree. Saying that other members belong to ISIS or are akin to Anders Breivik is crossing a line. These statements should be retracted.


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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:37am

 RichardPrins wrote:

Not all that dissimilar from this loon.

 
Ok, im Pegida, IS and Breivik all in one now. This is called demonization. Do you know why you take this route in the discussion?

Same facts about me:
- I don't want war
- I don't want to kill or hurt people in any way
- I value human rights for every human
- I don't want to destroy any nation, democracy or system
- I won't physically fight for idea's. I believe in democracy and debate.

So you can stop the accusations. It's getting silly now.
 

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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:28am

 RichardPrins wrote:

And they propose destroying features of civilization, such as a social safety net (of course they'll claim that only they are the real defenders of Western civilization). {#Mrgreen}

 
I would propose a system like in the USA such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Assistance_for_Needy_Families The big difference to most of the systems in Europe is that it is temporary and encourages people to find work. Therefor the USA is able to handle immigrants better than european countries where social security is not made with immigrants in mind. It dates back to 1950-1960 where those systems were introduced for the really poor that was temporary without a job. Not for an entire social class and continuing for a life time.

But you can mock me all you want. 2016 will change you too. Let's embrace change and enjoy it while we can shall we?

 


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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:16am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Let's see:
  • Unsettled by change
  • Scapegoating (Fear of being threatened or persecuted by a powerless minority)
  • Us and them mentality (Identification with flag-bearers more important than the actual religious values such flag-bearers purportedly espouse)
  • Vilification of other belief systems (broad brush generalizations of a perceived enemy)
  • Radicalization of the issue (Desire to foment war and disruption in an attempt to justify own standpoint)
  • Demonization of moderates
 Yep, you check all the boxes.
 
And they propose destroying features of civilization, such as a social safety net (of course they'll claim that only they are the real defenders of Western civilization). {#Mrgreen}

Not all that dissimilar from this loon.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:06am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Let's see:
  • Unsettled by change
  • Scapegoating (Fear of being threatened or persecuted by a powerless minority)
  • Us and them mentality (Identification with flag-bearers more important than the actual religious values such flag-bearers purportedly espouse)
  • Vilification of other belief systems (broad brush generalizations of a perceived enemy)
  • Radicalization of the issue (Desire to foment war and disruption in an attempt to justify own standpoint)
  • Demonization of moderates
 Yep, you check all the boxes.

 
Ok, you are on my ignore list for trolling.
- Called the war in Syria a result of WOII
- Called 2 forum members IS member & Pegida member at the same time
- Has logic that defies any common sense about what's subjective and what's reality
- Avoids a real debate because he is too good for that, but introduces new insults with every posting 


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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 2:05am

That makes no sense. ISIS love the migrant flow and are using it to smuggle jihadis into Europe. Several of the Paris attackers were migrants. It gives them free and unimpeded access to Europe. The state will even pay for their welfare.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/


Hundreds of migrant have been found with beheading and other gruesome videos on their smartphones showing just where their loyalties lie.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3359901/Hundreds-migrants-arriving-Norway-mobile-phones-containing-images-executions-severed-heads-dead-children-police-reveal.html

Some migrants are totally open about their desire to overthrow the west.


“May Allah make orphans out of their children” cries out the man in the train while the crowd say “Amen”.

“May Allah make it difficult on their women”.

“Allah give victory to Islam everywhere”.

“Allah give victory to our brethren in Palestine”.

“Allahu Akbar, Alahu Akbar … there is no god but Allah and the martyr is beloved by Allah”. 
 





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Posted: Jan 27, 2016 - 1:55am

Let's see:
  • Unsettled by change
  • Scapegoating (Fear of being threatened or persecuted by a powerless minority)
  • Us and them mentality (Identification with flag-bearers more important than the actual religious values such flag-bearers purportedly espouse)
  • Vilification of other belief systems (broad brush generalizations of a perceived enemy)
  • Radicalization of the issue (Desire to foment war and disruption in an attempt to justify own standpoint)
  • Demonization of moderates
 Yep, you check all the boxes.
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