What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum.
What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum.
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Oct 2, 2013 - 10:42am
What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum.
Perhaps. The last couple of government shutdowns did not have the incessant and shrill harping that accompanies 24 hour news cycles and a lot of channels competing for the viewer's attention. And perhaps this might be different, since the advent of a strong and vocal tea party (one of several direct sequelae generated by the Pelosi et al ram it down their throats, they can read it after we passed it activities in the recent past) might actually inject a quasi third party salient in today's political landscape. Misguided, and I believe misdirected, as they may be, the small but vocal minority within the Republican party have struck a chord that resonates throughout the body politic as a response to the perceived hijacking of the democratic process by the previous Speaker and her cronies. Same wolf, different sheepskin. We've allowed the "We know what's better for you than you do" groups to make the rules, and there is now push-back. There won't be any real movement until the entitlements start suffering from the shutdown, since most of what our current (and many many of the past) politicians are focused on is buying votes with those entitlements, rather than leading and enacting common sense laws. My two cents.... Politics.... one of the reasons I spend so much time at the shooting range. I don't have to be subjected to the incessant caterwauling by the whackjobs on both sides of the aisle
I don't wish to be a naysayer, nor do I promulgate divisiveness, yet I can't somehow help but feel that this time, it may be different.
Perhaps. The last couple of government shutdowns did not have the incessant and shrill harping that accompanies 24 hour news cycles and a lot of channels competing for the viewer's attention. And perhaps this might be different, since the advent of a strong and vocal tea party (one of several direct sequelae generated by the Pelosi et al ram it down their throats, they can read it after we passed it activities in the recent past) might actually inject a quasi third party salient in today's political landscape. Misguided, and I believe misdirected, as they may be, the small but vocal minority within the Republican party have struck a chord that resonates throughout the body politic as a response to the perceived hijacking of the democratic process by the previous Speaker and her cronies. Same wolf, different sheepskin. We've allowed the "We know what's better for you than you do" groups to make the rules, and there is now push-back. There won't be any real movement until the entitlements start suffering from the shutdown, since most of what our current (and many many of the past) politicians are focused on is buying votes with those entitlements, rather than leading and enacting common sense laws. My two cents.... Politics.... one of the reasons I spend so much time at the shooting range. I don't have to be subjected to the incessant caterwauling by the whackjobs on both sides of the aisle
Haha, very funny. We don't need the queen to interfere in our government funding issues here in the UK though. The House of Commons has full control so it's the majority there that appoints the prime minister and determines the budget. The annual passing of the finance bill is something that the House of Lords can do nothing about except for delay it for a month. The queen knows that she has to sign every bill passed by the parliament since we beheaded that last monarch that didn't do as he was told. Weird old system though that leaves the lords and the Queen there in largely ceremonial positions.
With the preferences voting system, the Australian Senate is a bit of a joke. Basically a multitude of minor parties make deals to swap votes around until the seats are apportioned to the top 'preferred' candidates. This means that the bloke from the Australian Motoring Party won a seat, although he seems to have gone to ground. I can't say I understand it completely but I suppose that's the point.
Never did understand that House of Lords A Leaping, either but at least they don't seem to get in the way.
Haha, very funny. We don't need the queen to interfere in our government funding issues here in the UK though. The House of Commons has full control so it's the majority there that appoints the prime minister and determines the budget. The annual passing of the finance bill is something that the House of Lords can do nothing about except for delay it for a month. The queen knows that she has to sign every bill passed by the parliament since we beheaded that last monarch that didn't do as he was told. Weird old system though that leaves the lords and the Queen there in largely ceremonial positions.
I'm guessing that the NSA won't be part of the shutdown.
I've lived through a bunch of these over the last 40+ years of my work life, both in the military and as a DoD civilian employee. And every one of them has been over budget issues. Nothing new to see here, just different (in most cases) faces in the same seats of power. And after the dust settles, it will be the same as it ever was, same as it ever was......
The political posturing makes for good television...... this too will pass
I don't wish to be a naysayer, nor do I promulgate divisiveness, yet I can't somehow help but feel that this time, it may be different.
I'm guessing that the NSA won't be part of the shutdown.
I've lived through a bunch of these over the last 40+ years of my work life, both in the military and as a DoD civilian employee. And every one of them has been over budget issues. Nothing new to see here, just different (in most cases) faces in the same seats of power. And after the dust settles, it will be the same as it ever was, same as it ever was......
The political posturing makes for good television...... this too will pass
No, it won't be. What we should be concerned about is what they're up to while everyone is busy being outraged at the congress.
A shared fantasy by many
If anyone knew about fatalistic division, he did.
