Red_Dragon wrote: 

Echoes:

What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum.   

–- A. Lincoln

If Obama/democrats cave on this, our "democracy" is truly dead.

What if say, in the next election a Democratic majority is elected? What's to stop them from using the same sort of pure obstruction to get their way on whatever issue/law they decide to focus on?

This so truly 3rd grade playground bullshit that it should be funny, but it isn't.

2 cents. 

 mutepoint wrote: 
Conservatives Shockingly Ignorant of What a Strike is, Accuse Obama of Anti-Union Comment | Mediaite

(...) Michelle Malkin’s Twitchy did their usual thorough job of recording, for posterity, all of the other conservative idiots who don’t know what a strike is. Perhaps they will update it once they receive feedback from an average 5th-grader, who could tell them that unions are democratic bodies that decide, collectively, whether or not to strike. It’s the exact opposite of a single worker deciding, on a whim, to shut everything down because he doesn’t like the boss. Hopefully, this clears everything up, and conservatives everywhere will embrace that democratic process.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

Asshats.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/10/02/government-shutdown-9-million-moms-and-babies-at-risk-as-wic-program-halts/
Families in Philly already being turned away for WIC. Seems that we're out of money already.

FUUUUUUUCK.    
 

The government shutdown debate used to be about something specific: Linking the government's funding to Obamacare's defunding. Now it's about something else. But what? 

“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., told the Washington Examiner. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

And I don’t know what that even is.

On the one hand, you could say it's just a throwaway line. Representatives say empty, tired things every day. But quotes have a life of their own, and this one is already being hailed online as the perfect embodiment of the GOP's bargaining position: Equal parts resolution and deep confusion. Forty-eight hours into the shutdown negotiations, one Republican stalwart's official position is that he no longer has any idea what he's negotiating for.

The disrespect sentiment echoes vintage Newt Gingrich, who famously bragged in 1995 to have shut down the government partly because President Clinton forced him to sit in the back of Air Force One on a trip to Yitzhak Rabin’s funeral. “It’s petty,” Gingrich said then, “but I think it’s human.”

Thursday is day three of the shutdown. Something will end the stalemate. Who knows what that even is.

source 

Look here is the deal, do I think the ACA was a good bill?  Personally I don't, but it is law and I hope for the best.  However the Republicans that insist on bringing the already signed law down at any cost is really getting old. My only hope is that the average American who is not blinded by partisan gamesmanship do not view the Democrats as the only party left standing and give them perpetual carte blanche (Lyndon Johnson's prophecy?) at the voters booth because they feel they have no other choice.  We really still do........for now.

 mutepoint wrote: 
Stop it. Yer making my ulcer hurt from laughing. 

Pentagon Spent $5 Billion on Weapons on the Eve of the Shutdown | Killer Apps

The Pentagon pumped billions of dollars into contractors' bank accounts on the eve of the U.S. government's shutdown that saw 400,000 Defense Department employees furloughed.

All told, the Pentagon awarded 94 contracts yesterday evening on its annual end-of-the-fiscal-year spending spree, spending more than five billion dollars on everything from robot submarines to Finnish hand grenades and a radar base mounted on an offshore oil platform. To put things in perspective, the Pentagon gave out only 14 contracts on September 3, the first workday of the month.

Here are some of the more interesting purchases from Monday's dollar-dump. (...)

 Isabeau wrote: 
*** I believe that is part of something Obama wishes to get rid of. Its called "checks and balances" And, it was ruled as being allowed by the constitution as a tax, which the democratic congress swore it was not.

*** How do you perceive a shutdown of government happening in reference to constitutional rights?

C'mon, Izzy, you're better than this....

 Isabeau wrote: 
Unfortunately, disjointed emotional outbursts with no thread of logic or point of reference do not an argument make. And, can you keep your dogs at bay? Just a courtesy asked...for the sake of civility. 

 gypsyman wrote: 
WE 'dish' it out? Who exactly has decided to shut the government down because a small faction opposes a law already passed by Congress, signed by the President and rule by the SCOTUS as Constitutional?

Should we just hold ransom ANY law? How about the second amendment? How about the Dems decide to shut the government down in order to extract concessions regarding gun laws? Wouldn't like that much would you?

Lie down with Extremists; Wake Up with Tyranny. This is highchair banging of the highest order by the GOP. Its asinine and you guys can't. bring. yourselves. to admit. its utter absurdity. 

 Isabeau wrote: 
It is truly surprising to me that liberals can dish it out, but can't take it. For years I have kept my mouth shut and tried to fight the good fight, and to "endeavor to persevere".  Well, I finally sat down and thought about it, and when I had thought about it enough, I declared war on the double standard. *

* Lone Watie, The Outlaw Josie Wales

 gypsyman wrote: 
ooooh, yea. He's such a Maverick. Works completely alone, in a vacuum. Congress has NO influence on Increased Spending for Security at Embassies and Consulates.... and somehow, an embassy incident, in another country was expected to be rushed in with U.S. Military like some kind of Rambo 18: He gets a Hoveround with missile assault launch capabilities? Nevermind another countries' sovereign nation where SOME militants have attacked, not the entire population. Yea... let's go in just like the Transformer-Ninja Turtles and sweep away the bad guys with NO reprisal from that very same countries' government.

Read carefully: 60 Embassy and Consulate deaths under Bush = no complaint.  4 in Benghazi and you guys have an entirely new disney-esque version of events.

Ooopsie, my a** dear.

Obama put more guards on the WWII memorial to keep the vets out than he used to guard Benghazi. Oopsie! 

 mutepoint wrote: 
 Good one!

 sirdroseph wrote: 
It will likely be the wealthiest ones that keep it, after all thats how they got rich in the first place.

2 ways to look at this, the most obvious is that it is a reasonable and noble gesture even though the cynical would say that it was also politically necessary or you could see it as a glaring reminder that most members of congress are so wealthy that they can afford to donate their entire salary with the ease of a political gesture:

Which lawmakers will refuse their pay during the shutdown?