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Posted: Dec 30, 2012 - 8:52am

OOOO fun topic! 

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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 5:08pm

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I resist the idea that we are inherently morally superior to men. My genitalia does not make me any less envious, jealous, addicted to flattery, money or power. I am no less deadly. Some of the most horrific fighters can be women. Etruscan women were Sea Captains and the Amazons were based on known Matriarchal societies and had women warriors. Queen Elizabeth the first was a formidable 'warrior.' Yes, Men's aggression is most often outwardly manifested, but the type of sins in the realm of women are most often the silent and poisonous kind - just as ruthless and fatal.
 
It would be equally sexist.
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 4:46pm

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Perhaps not, based on a sense of modern technology and the belief of being invulnerable to its loss. However, speaking about the 21st century: there's nothing quite like a blackout to suddenly remind us humans of how truly impotent we are without electricity. Within days we can be reduced to savagery. Commodities to create technology can also come under blockage and dominion of the few ... these things are real, male or female, mammal or insect, its always a battle for resources. Disregarding personal affronts to our ideology. 
 
1) There were several days of no electricity after Hurricane Sandy, and people did not turn to savages.

2) One huge difference is that mothers are not willing to send their children to war, so if women were in charge, I doubt this would change.

3) There are biological differences between men and women that causes men, especially under the age of 25, to be violent. Statistics bear this out.

4) There are biological differences that appear even in small children. Anecdotal evidence that I have have through being around children almost every waking minute for at least 18 yrs has shown me that even two year old boys show much more aggression than two year old girls, and this trend continues. (Of course there are exceptions)

 
And btw, I never said that women were superior to men, we are just different. No need to make judgments. 
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 4:37pm

 Isabeau wrote:

I resist the idea that we are inherently morally superior to men. My genitalia does not make me any less envious, jealous, addicted to flattery, money or power. I am no less deadly. Some of the most horrific fighters can be women. Etruscan women were Sea Captains and the Amazons were based on known Matriarchal societies and had women warriors. Queen Elizabeth the first was a formidable 'warrior.' Yes, Men's aggression is most often outwardly manifested, but the type of sins in the realm of women are most often the silent and poisonous kind - just as ruthless and fatal. 

 

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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 4:31pm

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In the 21st Century, women are not going to become warriors. War is becoming obsolete.
 
Perhaps not, based on a sense of modern technology and the belief of being invulnerable to its loss. However, speaking about the 21st century: there's nothing quite like a blackout to suddenly remind us humans of how truly impotent we are without electricity. Within days we can be reduced to savagery. Commodities to create technology can also come under blockage and dominion of the few ... these things are real, male or female, mammal or insect, its always a battle for resources. Disregarding personal affronts to our ideology. 

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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 4:12pm

 Isabeau wrote:

I resist the idea that we are inherently morally superior to men. My genitalia does not make me any less envious, jealous, addicted to flattery, money or power. I am no less deadly. Some of the most horrific fighters can be women. Etruscan women were Sea Captains and the Amazons were based on known Matriarchal societies and had women warriors. Queen Elizabeth the first was a formidable 'warrior.' Yes, Men's aggression is most often outwardly manifested, but the type of sins in the realm of women are most often the silent and poisonous kind - just as ruthless and fatal. 

 



you make sense.



Warriors are not just in the military. There are many modern day warriors on the front lines of business, social change , education, etc.



But what makes a warrior - one view.



How to become a modern day warrior

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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 3:45pm

 Isabeau wrote:

I resist the idea that we are inherently morally superior to men. My genitalia does not make me any less envious, jealous, addicted to flattery, money or power. I am no less deadly. Some of the most horrific fighters can be women. Etruscan women were Sea Captains and the Amazons were based on known Matriarchal societies and had women warriors. Queen Elizabeth the first was a formidable 'warrior.' Yes, Men's aggression is most often outwardly manifested, but the type of sins in the realm of women are most often the silent and poisonous kind - just as ruthless and fatal. 

 

In the 21st Century, women are not going to become warriors. War is becoming obsolete.
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 3:01pm

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Definitely not true, men became powerful through might, and this is not characteristic of women.

We are moving forward, not going backward.      

 
I resist the idea that we are inherently morally superior to men. My genitalia does not make me any less envious, jealous, addicted to flattery, money or power. I am no less deadly. Some of the most horrific fighters can be women. Etruscan women were Sea Captains and the Amazons were based on known Matriarchal societies and had women warriors. Queen Elizabeth the first was a formidable 'warrior.' Yes, Men's aggression is most often outwardly manifested, but the type of sins in the realm of women are most often the silent and poisonous kind - just as ruthless and fatal. 


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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 3:00pm

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First, the majority do not make that kind of $$$, especially now, with the prolifieration of free internet porn.
Second, they may have gone to Hollywood to become stars, but most don't take the demeaning step of going that route.
Defend porn if you will, but for most women who participate, it is a sad life. AIDS is a constant worry, as are other diseases, and many of them are hooked on drugs.   

 





I was in no way defending porn. I was providing information, no statement of right or wrong was ever made.





I never said most make the big bucks. It is just like in the "legitimate" movie business where the large majority of actresses and actors make no where near what the Brad Pitts and Mila Kunis's make. But they all hope they may reach that monetary success.





And I never said most that go to Hollywood end up in porn but that many that end up in porn started out to be in the legitimate business. A big difference.





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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 2:59pm

aND THEN THERE'S THIS

The war on men 
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 2:51pm

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When the usual comment is made of how men have been in charge all these millennia and and they are inevitably blamed for the world being effed up, I like to remind people that no one gender has a monopoly on being an asshole — Give Women 2,000 years of dominion over the earth .... and we'll most likely have our flaws eventually screw things up too.
Just give us 2,000 years to find out. {#Wink}

 

Definitely not true, men became powerful through might, and this is not characteristic of women.

We are moving forward, not going backward.      
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 2:50pm

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there is a huge amount of money for those that become big porn stars. Annual salaries of hundred of thousand of dollars up into the millions are possible. Plus as someone else mentioned many start out to be "legitimate" actors and end up in the "adult" industry where they see the possible income to be made.

 
First, the majority do not make that kind of $$$, especially now, with the prolifieration of free internet porn.
Second, they may have gone to Hollywood to become stars, but most don't take the demeaning step of going that route.
Defend porn if you will, but for most women who participate, it is a sad life. AIDS is a constant worry, as are other diseases, and many of them are hooked on drugs.   
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 2:21pm

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But on the other hand, do little girls generally grow up thinking, "I want to be a porn star when I grow up"? A lot of the women do say that they enjoy it, but few of them indicate that they turned to porn as their first career choice. Many of them resort to it because of economics. Still, if it floats their boat, who am I to try to shoot holes into someone else's deck?

 



there is a huge amount of money for those that become big porn stars. Annual salaries of hundred of thousand of dollars up into the millions are possible.

Plus as someone else mentioned many start out to be "legitimate" actors and end up in the "adult" industry where they see the possible income to be made.
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 2:20pm

When the usual comment is made of how men have been in charge all these millennia and and they are inevitably blamed for the world being effed up, I like to remind people that no one gender has a monopoly on being an asshole — Give Women 2,000 years of dominion over the earth .... and we'll most likely have our flaws eventually screw things up too.
Just give us 2,000 years to find out. {#Wink}
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 1:40pm

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I don't believe in silver bullets, but an excellent education would help significantly.  How do we achieve it, indeed?  First we have to agree on what constitutes an excellent education (that's a whole 'nother topic).

  
An excellent education would help most everybody, no?
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 12:50pm

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Could it truly be that education- an excellent, unbiased education- really is the silver bullet for all of these issues? How in the world do we ever achieve it?

Complex problems, complex solutions, complex discussions. {#Ask} {#Stupid}

 

I don't believe in silver bullets, but an excellent education would help significantly.  How do we achieve it, indeed?  First we have to agree on what constitutes an excellent education (that's a whole 'nother topic).


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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 12:50pm

 MsJudi wrote:

But on the other hand, do little girls generally grow up thinking, "I want to be a porn star when I grow up"? A lot of the women do say that they enjoy it, but few of them indicate that they turned to porn as their first career choice. Many of them resort to it because of economics. Still, if it floats their boat, who am I to try to shoot holes into someone else's deck?

 
Very, very few people (male or female) get to make a living in the career or profession they aspired to when they were children.  I don't think any of us knew anyone who said "I want to be an admin assistant when I grow up".  Perhaps there is only room for a certain number of doctors, astronauts, artists, ballerinas, professional athletes, and fire fighters.
 It seems that a lot of the people in the porn industry wanted to be in the "movie" business, or some other form of show business, and that's where they ended up, maybe not.


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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 12:38pm

 MsJudi wrote:

But on the other hand, do little girls generally grow up thinking, "I want to be a porn star when I grow up"? A lot of the women do say that they enjoy it, but few of them indicate that they turned to porn as their first career choice. Many of them resort to it because of economics. Still, if it floats their boat, who am I to try to shoot holes into someone else's deck?

 
Most of them were abused as children.
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Posted: Nov 26, 2012 - 12:37pm

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I dunno, if disrespect for women is a cultural issue, if educating children in a way that teaches them to value and respect others is a cultural or social issue, then aren't cultural issues like these really political issues?  We know we can't simply wave a wand and legislate prejudice away; but we certainly have a lot of politicians doing battle over what and how our schools should be teaching.  So in that sense, maybe all cultural issues are political issues as well.

Maybe Tipper Gore, with her PMRC campaign, was trying in an overreaching way to create a more respectful culture. Maybe Marlo Thomas had the right idea for our country.  If banning video games, songs, books, magazines etc. that are perceived as disrespecting women is unconstitutional, maybe the most effective way of countering or diminishing the impact of such disrespectful messages is to offer a positive alternative.

 

A postive alternate? How about teaching the Golden Rule? How about getting advertisers to change their message? How about working to improve relationships at work so that all workers are treated with respect? This is why we take those ridiculous classes at work (can't remember what they are called) to prevent unwanted behavior. To teach respect among our coworkers. 
How about not starting a thread at RP called Boobies?  
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