I wish Kurt would immigrate somewhere. He certainly isn't a patriot, the way he belittles our president. What is it the conservatives are fond of saying? Oh yeah. If you don't love it then leave it. Just an idea... he probably couldn't pass the rabies test, anyway.

hippiechick wrote: 

You can only hope.

I, on the other hand, will not be surprised when it happens.

 kurtster wrote: 
CONSPIRACY THEORY!:

Conspiracy theorists contend that the governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico are already taking steps to implement such a currency, as part of a "New World Order (NWO)".^<1><3>

Lou Dobbs, a former commentator for CNN, claims a "North American Union" is being implemented, without the knowledge and consent of the majority of the people who would be affected by this.^<13> This Union, he and others claim, would include a common currency. He has never provided any substantive evidence to support his claim.

In 2006, Conservative Caucus Chairman Howard Phillips, WND columnist and author Jerome Corsi, activist Phyllis Schlafly, among others, reportedly formed a coalition against a North American Union.^<14> On January 22, 2007, Republican Representatives Virgil Goode of Virginia, Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Walter Jones of North Carolina, and Ron Paul of Texas were among the 43 federal lawmakers who introduced H. CON. RES. 40, a resolution advocated by the coalition, that expressed:

"The sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union (NAU) with Mexico or Canada."

<edit>Amero coins

In August 2007, rumors and conspiracy theories began circulating across the Internet regarding alleged United States Treasury-issued amero coins.

The inspiration behind these rumors may have been the posting of images of medallions created by coin designer Daniel Carr.^<1> Carr, who designed theNew York and Rhode Island 2001 statehood quarters, sells medals and tokens of his own design on his commercial website, "Designs Computed" (also known as "DC Coin").^<1> Among his designs are a series of gold, silver and copper fantasy issues of amero coins ranging in denomination from one to one thousand.^<1> The medallions have the legend "Union of North America" on the back with his company's logo, a stylized "DC",^<15> in small type.^<16>Concerning his amero designs, he mentions on his website:

My goal with these coins is not to endorse a Union of North America or a common Amero currency. I fully support the United States Constitution, and I would not welcome (in any form) a diminishment of its provisions. I expect that these coins will help make more people aware of the issue and the possible ramifications. I leave it up to others to decide if they are in favor of, or against a North American Union. And I encourage citizens to voice their approval or disapproval of government plans that impact them.^<17>

Unauthorized postings of images taken from his website have been reposted widely across the Internet, often being used as supposed "proof" of the amero coinage. Notably, white nationalist and former Internet radio talk show host Hal Turner ran a full article on his website about the "amero coin", claiming to have arranged for a United States Government minted "amero" to be smuggled out of the United States Department of the Treasury by an employee of that organization.^<18>

Following Turner's assertions of federal minting of ameros, a web site marketing the curio coins released a statement debunking Turner's claims of a government cover up regarding Daniel Carr's amero products.^<19> The urban legend investigating Web site Snopes also ran a further counter to Turner's claims, stating "neither the U.S. Mint nor the U.S. Treasury has a hand in creating these 'Ameros'. These coins are merely collectibles offered to the buying public by a private company in the business of manufacturing such curiosities."^<20> Hal Turner claimed that Carr's website had been created in haste in a matter of days expressly to discredit his claim about the coinage.^<21> However, Carr's designs have been available through his website since 2005,^<22> and according to a WHOIS search at Network Solutions, the domain "dc-coin.com" was registered by Daniel Carr on September 27, 2005.^<23> In October 2008, Hal Turner released a video showing an apparent 20 amero coin, with claims that shipments of the currency had been sent to China.^<24> Yet the coin in Hal Turner's video is identical to a medallion on Daniel Carr's "dc-coin" website, listed as "UNA 2007 20 Ameros, Copper, Satin Finish".^<25>

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 More bullshit crazy stuff from Kurt.

 Zukiwi wrote: 
You're spot on.

In 1992, Ross Perot warned us of that sucking sound called NAFTA.

NAFTA is an invention of the same people who brought us the EU, the Rio Accords, UN Agenda 21, et al.

We still have the monetary unit lined up for the North American Union, the Amero, all printed up and waiting for the collapse. 

I agree, NAFTA needs to be dismantled, ASAP.

 ScottFromWyoming in Breaking News wrote: 
For various reasons, some of which known, some of which less known, NAFTA did not work as we were told for all 3 countries - but I do suspect some politicians knew how we would end up. It might have been great for International Corporations to exploit people, but not so great for your everyday dude in all three nations. I'm dreaming of the day it will be removed. I'm also dreaming of the day where I can find a dishwasher made in Canada. I would certainly not support an immigration that outnumbers the number of jobs created and kept for the future. It's insane and would translate into a serious collapse of social networks, infrastucture, raised debts, and yes even jeopardized a democracy. So I suppose some can call me selfish and well, hell yes I will be in this case ;-)

 kurtster wrote: 
Good point and to take it a step further, the Meso Americans who originally came over via the Bering Strait overran the original Aboriginals who arrived from Australia in Patagonia and migrated northward only to be greeted by the Clovis horde from the north who eventually went southward to totally exterminate them. Quite recently in fact.  The last DNA verified generation is probably in their 80s now. Pretty wild, evolution is harsh.

Zukiwi wrote:   in Breaking News

There was no Mexico before Cortez invaded and conquered the area first called New Spain and later Mexico when it won its independence from Spain.  There were no Mexicans either.  Mexicans are the result of the rape of the indigenous natives by the Conquistadors.  Mexicans are not indigenous to the area.  Spain also possesed most of the American Southwest as well.  Father Serra established the Missions in California.  He was Spanish, not Mexican.

So let's be correct in not saying that the west was stolen from the Mexicans for starters.  Mexico is about the same age as the US if we consider the Roanoke colony as the start of the US some 400 years ago.  And there is evidence of Vikings in the present day US dating back to at least 800 AD.  So who was here first, where ?

Zukiwi is correct, we should be dealing with the present and stop trying to argue about the past as an excuse to support present partisan agendas.

Interesting that this would go past on my FB today:
 
 

 helenofjoy wrote: 
See, I am the grammar police on my own self!

 hippiechick wrote: 

 We knew what you meant!

 Umberdog wrote: 
I should have used the word "raise" not rise

 hippiechick wrote: 
What a wonderful thing to say. There's a LOT of weak links out there. I wish I could muster a little more optimism.

 hippiechick wrote: 
This is absolutely true. It doesn't matter how good your defense is, if your offensive line can't block anyone you're screwed.

 helenofjoy wrote: 
I believe the saying "We are only as strong as our weakest link." By rising up the poorest, we rise up the whole world.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:  Yes.  Because once they get a decent education, they will be tax payers  and will be contributing to this system.  They will be raising their children to be achievers and they will be helping their communities.  Some will become business owners themselves and hire people who need jobs and produce marketable products that keep the cycle going.  It's not all dark and bleak - look for positives and build on them.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Hey! They took my joooooobbbbb!  Now, now Skeeter settle down now.

*bump* to clear out the "breaking news" thread
 
 hippiechick wrote:   
 It isn't a matter of "deserving," even. The rules for who can qualify aren't that simple but it boils down to: they've been here a long time, came here as children, and if we don't open up a pathway to success for them, they will be a drain on our system forever. If we don't give them some path to legitimacy, they'll never come forward. Sure, find a way to stop the influx, go ahead with that (try not to just target brown-skinned people though, that tends to annoy a lot of citizens). But in the meantime, the ones who are here through no fault of their own? You can have them continue to be a drain on services, non-taxpaying, illegals forever, or you can ...not. There are a lot (most?) who won't qualify, but the ones who do, why not open a door to legitimacy for them?

The immigrants do the 'stoop' labor that most of us can't do. I try to set up work so my guys won't need to bend and stoop. They don't seem to care either way. I can not see white people bending and stooping in vegetable fields bending all day  without caving. And have ya seen the guys that tie rebar on concrete construction jobs? Sheesh. Buy them some water...or a beer after work. 

 sirdroseph wrote: 

Before you can leave, we'll have to see your vacation papers.

 aflanigan wrote: 

Oh so now you are going to start asking him for his papers? I though you was agin' that! Ok, obviously I am outta control. My excuse is I go on vacation in exactly one minute!