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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 4:44pm

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Seems like the USA felonizes everything. Scope creep.

 
Ayup. Including introducing drugs into one's own body. One's body is not one's own in the US of A. 
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 4:09pm

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kurtster wrote:
Which of her crimes is minor ?  This one ?

 "Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013," Pitts O'Keefe said.

 
Is what it is.  You wish to sweep everything under the rug ?

Yeah, that one. She was working with a fake ID, probably upgraded to a felony because she was using someone else's (valid) SSN.

Which means she was paying someone else's taxes. It also means she would get no Social Security benefits because she got no credit for paying those taxes.

Welcome to immigration law.

 
Seems like the USA felonizes everything. Scope creep.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 2:59pm

 kurtster wrote:

Which of her crimes is minor ?  This one ?

 "Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013," Pitts O'Keefe said.

 
Is what it is.  You wish to sweep everything under the rug ?  

 
Yes, that one. As Lazy8 mentioned, she contributed to the SS system with no hope of benefiting from it. She was doing so just to have an income to support her family.  She was here seeking opportunity. She came when she was 14 with limited resources and probably facing some unpleasant realities in her homeland. You want to penalize her for not following your rules, but you fail to recognize the barrier that puts up, and don't even know why you are putting it there beyond some vague nationalistic tripe, or obscure lie about safety.  You think you've had tough times selling coffee from a truck in a rough part of town, I bet you haven't seen half the crap most of these immigrants face daily. Then they get through and work hard to get by under the fear of being sent back to it at any moment.  And you wonder why I think your a bigot/racist. 
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 2:11pm

kurtster wrote:
Which of her crimes is minor ?  This one ?

 "Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013," Pitts O'Keefe said.

 
Is what it is.  You wish to sweep everything under the rug ?

Yeah, that one. She was working with a fake ID, probably upgraded to a felony because she was using someone else's (valid) SSN.

Which means she was paying someone else's taxes. It also means she would get no Social Security benefits because she got no credit for paying those taxes.

Welcome to immigration law.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 1:33pm

 kurtster wrote:

Which of her crimes is minor ?  This one ?

 "Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013," Pitts O'Keefe said.

 
Is what it is.  You wish to sweep everything under the rug ?  

 
Voluntary departure order, not removal order.


 
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 9:21am

 islander wrote:

Arizona mother deported to Mexico in immigration action

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-arizona-imZ5migration-idUSKBN15O2

This lady has been here 20 years. Yes she was busted for having false documents, but this is a perfect example of someone trying to make a better life for herself and getting caught in the system. By all accounts she has never caused any problems, she was trying to comply with ICE by checking in with them, and now we have punished her, her community, her family and our reputation.  

If you think it's okay to harp on her very minor crime, and say "she should have followed the rules", then you need to take a step back and look at your own bubble.

 


 
Which of her crimes is minor ?  This one ?

 "Ms. Garcia, who has a prior felony conviction in Arizona for criminal impersonation, was the subject of a court-issued removal order that became final in July 2013," Pitts O'Keefe said.

 
Is what it is.  You wish to sweep everything under the rug ?  
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 8:22am

Arizona mother deported to Mexico in immigration action

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-arizona-imZ5migration-idUSKBN15O2

This lady has been here 20 years. Yes she was busted for having false documents, but this is a perfect example of someone trying to make a better life for herself and getting caught in the system. By all accounts she has never caused any problems, she was trying to comply with ICE by checking in with them, and now we have punished her, her community, her family and our reputation.  

If you think it's okay to harp on her very minor crime, and say "she should have followed the rules", then you need to take a step back and look at your own bubble.

 

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Posted: Jan 29, 2017 - 8:03am

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Let Justin Amash tell it

Justin Amash
14 hrs ·

Like President Obama's executive actions on immigration, President Trump's executive order overreaches and undermines our constitutional system. It's not lawful to ban immigrants on the basis of nationality. If the president wants to change immigration law, he must work with Congress.

The president's denial of entry to lawful permanent residents of the United States (green card holders) is particularly troubling. Green card holders live in the United States as our neighbors and serve in our Armed Forces. They deserve better.

I agree with the president that we must do much more to properly vet refugees, but a blanket ban represents an extreme approach not consistent with our nation's values. While the executive order allows the admittance of immigrants, nonimmigrants, and refugees "on a case-by-case basis," arbitrariness would violate the Rule of Law.

Ultimately, the executive order appears to be more about politics than safety. If the concern is radicalism and terrorism, then what about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and others?

Finally, we can't effectively fight homegrown Islamic radicalism by perpetuating the “us vs. them” mindset that terrorists use to recruit. We must ensure that the United States remains dedicated to the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and liberty. It can't be stated strongly enough that capitalism creates prosperity and improves assimilation into society.



 
You had me until the end ... {#Wink}
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Posted: Jan 29, 2017 - 6:42am

Let Justin Amash tell it

Justin Amash
14 hrs ·

Like President Obama's executive actions on immigration, President Trump's executive order overreaches and undermines our constitutional system. It's not lawful to ban immigrants on the basis of nationality. If the president wants to change immigration law, he must work with Congress.

The president's denial of entry to lawful permanent residents of the United States (green card holders) is particularly troubling. Green card holders live in the United States as our neighbors and serve in our Armed Forces. They deserve better.

I agree with the president that we must do much more to properly vet refugees, but a blanket ban represents an extreme approach not consistent with our nation's values. While the executive order allows the admittance of immigrants, nonimmigrants, and refugees "on a case-by-case basis," arbitrariness would violate the Rule of Law.

Ultimately, the executive order appears to be more about politics than safety. If the concern is radicalism and terrorism, then what about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and others?

Finally, we can't effectively fight homegrown Islamic radicalism by perpetuating the “us vs. them” mindset that terrorists use to recruit. We must ensure that the United States remains dedicated to the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and liberty. It can't be stated strongly enough that capitalism creates prosperity and improves assimilation into society.


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Posted: Jan 28, 2017 - 7:49am

January 25, 2017

Four Reasons Why President Trump Is Wrong to Ban Refugees

This week, President Donald Trump is expected to sign executive orders broadly banning refugee resettlement, and permanently targeting refugees from seven countries, including Syria.

These executive orders threaten our national security, undermine the extensive vetting procedures we have in place to screen refugees, and discount the successes and contributions of refugees in America. They negate America’s fundamental political and cultural values, and will have devastating impacts worldwide.


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Posted: Aug 15, 2016 - 2:29pm

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OK, OK, you can stay!

Wait, they did make contra dancing an Olympic sport for Japan 2020, right? 

Since all the East German judges retired there's just no pool to draw from.
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Posted: Aug 15, 2016 - 12:38pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Immigration Makes America Great at Rio Olympics, Boosts Economy Back Home Too

There are 48 foreign-born athletes on Team USA in the Summer Olympics, including one that already won a medal.

The last time Enkelejda Shehaj competed at the Olympic Games, she was representing Albania.

That was in 1996. Three years later, with the government of her home nation collapsing and fearing for her family's safety, Shehaj flew to the United States with two suitcases: "One with my clothes," she told NBC Sports. "And one luggage, it sits there in my closet with all my medals, magazines, articles that were written about me and all the diplomas and everything that had related to the sport. That's it."

Shehaj completed the complicated process to become a U.S. citizen in 2012 and this week she's back at the Olympics, competing as a member of the U.S. team in Rio de Janerio.



 
OK, OK, you can stay!

Wait, they did make contra dancing an Olympic sport for Japan 2020, right? 
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Posted: Aug 13, 2016 - 6:11am

 miamizsun wrote:

New Paper: Private Refugee Resettlement in U.S. History

Washington D.C. – April 26, 2016. Today, the Niskanen Center released a new paper describing the U.S. private sector’s strong tradition in supporting refugee resettlement. The paper, “Private Refugee Resettlement in U.S. History,” provides a detailed history of the successful resettlement of refugees using private funds, and calls for the urgent reinstatement of a private refugee program in the wake of the current global refugee crisis.

“The United States has demonstrated great generosity toward refugees throughout its history, with the private sector playing the leading role,” said David Bier, Niskanen Center’s director of immigration reform. “The history should inspire the federal government to create the opportunity for Americans to sponsor or fund the resettlement of refugees fleeing violence and persecution abroad.”

The concept of private refugee sponsorship has been endorsed by nine U.S.-based Syrian, Arab, and Muslim American organizations last year in a letter to the president coordinated by the Niskanen Center. “Since we launched this project, Americans from all walks of life have contacted us to describe their desire to sponsor refugees,” Mr. Bier said. “It’s time that we unleashed American philanthropy to save many more lives.”



 
an update of sorts on the politics of moving:

August 3, 2016

Campaign Spotlights how Immigrants Contribute to State Economies



Today marks the beginning of the Reason for Reform campaign, part of the Partnership for a New American Economy’s (NAE) advocacy efforts in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. The campaign is bringing together a coalition of different people and groups—from community leaders to businesses—to work together in every state across the country to promote much-needed reform.

Evidenced in state-by-state reports, the campaign demonstrates how important immigrants are to the economy of every state. Each report emphasizes the many different, and often overlooked, ways that immigrants are vital in their contributions. NAE released 51 reports—one for each state and the District of Columbia—detailing the size and character of those contributions.

The reports shed light on the power of the entrepreneurial energy immigrants bring to each state. The immigrant debate often overlooks that immigrants are big job creators. In fact, immigrants are more likely to start new businesses than natives.

In Washington, D.C. alone, the report finds that while 14% of the population is born abroad, 20% of D.C.’s entrepreneurs are immigrants. Job growth in D.C. is therefore driven disproportionately by its immigrant population.

Businesses owned by immigrants, the report finds, generate over $120 million in income annually. Comprehensive immigration reform should include making it easier for people to move here to start businesses or for people stay and create businesses in order to super-charge economic activity.

 

and this:

 

 

August 11, 2016

State Lawmakers Back Private Refugee Resettlement


Earlier today, 22 Maryland state lawmakers urged Secretary of State John Kerry to launch a privately funded refugee program that would allow the American people to contribute towards increasing resettlement totals. The Niskanen Center has been leading the effort to launch such a program since last year, and applauds the Maryland lawmakers action in this crucial time.

The letter comes in the midst of an unprecedented global refugee crisis, which has left more than 21 million people in need of assistance. The United States is resettling a mere 85,000 refugees this year, but private sector contributions can provide the funding to substantially increase that number, while maintaining the rigorous security measures already in place for refugee admissions.

The U.S. must put all options on the table in order to aggressively respond to the worst humanitarian crisis since World War II. Providing the American people with a tangible outlet to support refugee resettlement helps bolster efforts to provide refuge to those fleeing war and persecution.

The letter proclaims that “American citizens, charities, foundations, faith groups, universities, and businesses should have the right to contribute towards increased refugee resettlement.” Under current law, no amount of contributions can go towards increased the refugee ceiling determined by the president. The push to reverse that policy is gaining momentum.

The legislators point to several statements and resolutions from the local level that “show that there is an appetite for increased engagement in the resettlement process.” The Maryland lawmakers are confident that the current system is unnecessarily putting “a ceiling on American generosity.”




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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 2:32pm

Immigration Makes America Great at Rio Olympics, Boosts Economy Back Home Too

There are 48 foreign-born athletes on Team USA in the Summer Olympics, including one that already won a medal.

The last time Enkelejda Shehaj competed at the Olympic Games, she was representing Albania.

That was in 1996. Three years later, with the government of her home nation collapsing and fearing for her family's safety, Shehaj flew to the United States with two suitcases: "One with my clothes," she told NBC Sports. "And one luggage, it sits there in my closet with all my medals, magazines, articles that were written about me and all the diplomas and everything that had related to the sport. That's it."

Shehaj completed the complicated process to become a U.S. citizen in 2012 and this week she's back at the Olympics, competing as a member of the U.S. team in Rio de Janerio.




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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 1:07pm

 aflanigan wrote:
...I knew you were a closet reactionary bluenose
 
Wait a minute; he's from Nova Scotia?  You learn something every day.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 12:55pm

 aflanigan wrote:

Exchange . . . of what? Precious bodily fluids???

I knew you were a closet reactionary bluenose.

 

 
closet? what closet?
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 12:52pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Maybe we should work toward a society/economy that isn't based on exchange...

 
Exchange . . . of what? Precious bodily fluids???

I knew you were a closet reactionary bluenose.

 
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 11:32am

 aflanigan wrote:

Sometimes, differential pay makes sense.  Often, as you seem to imply, it is based on cost of living (i.e. paying teachers or police more in more expensive areas). If we had uniform COL throughout the world, we could eliminate locality pay adjustments, but I don't see that happening any time soon, regardless of how utopian we get.

 
Maybe we should work toward a society/economy that isn't based on exchange...
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 11:29am

 Steely_D wrote:

The whole problem of different pay and different currency has to fade. Folks doing work in India for ⅓ of the same pay as their counterpart in the states - and yet they live like kings - has to gradually equilibrate.

 
Sometimes, differential pay makes sense.  Often, as you seem to imply, it is based on cost of living (i.e. paying teachers or police more in more expensive areas). If we had uniform COL throughout the world, we could eliminate locality pay adjustments, but I don't see that happening any time soon, regardless of how utopian we get.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2016 - 2:14am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Once we realize - as a species - that this whole nation-state thing is a childish holdover from our primitive past, this will no longer be an issue.

 
We are nowhere near evolved enough for a one world government, you of all people should be aware of this.  Any attempt to do so would be quickly  hijacked and morph into facism and then bloodshed on a mass scale.  In short Homo Sapiens as a species is really lame and cannot be trusted with that much centralized power.


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