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Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 20, 2023 - 10:33am

 maryte wrote:
Rhetorical question: why are all the solutions to undocumented immigration solved by punishing the immigrants? Maybe we should look upstream and punish those overwhelmingly US-born business owners who use the labor provided by these workers - you know, the carrot-danglers...

This approach has been in place since the 1980s. Employers are required to verify work eligibility using form I-9. Very harsh penalties if they don't.

Because punishment is how we solve social problems. Merciless punishment.

maryte

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Posted: Dec 20, 2023 - 9:56am

Rhetorical question: why are all the solutions to undocumented immigration solved by punishing the immigrants? Maybe we should look upstream and punish those overwhelmingly US-born business owners who use the labor provided by these workers - you know, the carrot-danglers...
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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 8:33am


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Posted: Mar 2, 2023 - 3:47pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Ah, of course: Belle and Sebastian strike fear in the hearts of the "If they come here LEGALLY" crowd. 



There's a story in the past of how a certain band was having trouble getting through customs since their gear was clearly labeled "Cowboy Junkies."
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 2, 2023 - 9:10am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Homeland Security Wants To Protect Us From Foreign Bands

A new proposal to more than triple visa entry fees for performers will harm American audiences and culture.




I know you've encountered this but it always slips my mind when I see bands talking about coming to tour the US. I'm always "why just 4 shows?"

Ah, of course: Belle and Sebastian strike fear in the hearts of the "If they come here LEGALLY" crowd. 

R_P

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Posted: Mar 2, 2023 - 6:49am

Alone and Exploited, Migrant Children Work Brutal Jobs Across the U.S.
Arriving in record numbers, they’re ending up in dangerous jobs that violate child labor laws — including in factories that make products for well-known brands like Cheetos and Fruit of the Loom.


Will somebody please think of the profits
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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 11:56am

 Lazy8 wrote:
(...) performers will harm American audiences and culture.

We propose a tribute.
Lazy8

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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 8:14am

Homeland Security Wants To Protect Us From Foreign Bands

A new proposal to more than triple visa entry fees for performers will harm American audiences and culture.

In a proposal published in the Federal Register last month, DHS wants to, among suggested fee hikes for many dozens of categories of entrance to the U.S., raise the entrance fee for what is known as a "P visa," for temporary stays in the U.S. to perform, from $460 to $1,615, a more than threefold increase.

The "O visa" for longer-term working stays for performers would jump slightly more, from $460 to $1,655. The two visa categories have in addition to their costs, naturally, a lot of other complicated rules.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 4:13pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


The homeless population in this town has exploded over the past five years of so. They used to hangout around just a few places near the city center; now they're all over town.  Another symptom of Late Stage Capitalism.

Speak for your own pecular capitalist system, your your own peculiar brand of welfare statism and other policy choices.  

Why are US mortgage payments tax deductible?    Because home ownership is divine?   

Why does the US Central Bank have an employment mandate?   Because America is the most drug-addled society on the face of the earth and going through the day without 'stimulus' is unthinkable?  Because more macroeconomic volatility is a good thing?   Because you don't care about the most vulnerable?

What is the purpose of your immigration program?  More opportunities for promiscuous sex?  Cheap labour for entitled get-rich-quick Americans?  Because Democrat voters refuse to believe in resource constraints?  

As for the current round of inflation.....  why did US-lead NATO agree to provide NATO membership to the Baltic States and Poland in the 1990s?  Because Americans are righteously myopic and love the Great Man of Stature approach to international relations?




Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 3:45pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Gated tent communities under overpasses!


The homeless population in this town has exploded over the past five years of so. They used to hangout around just a few places near the city center; now they're all over town.  Another symptom of Late Stage Capitalism.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 2:52pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Gated tent communities under overpasses!


Sort of deliberately missing the point. Build nice middle-income housing, enough so that anyone who wants it can get it. They'll move out of their current place and make it available to someone further down the ladder. And so on. But as long as Americans aren't "buying a home" but are "investing in property," they'll fight anything that makes housing prices stop rising faster than inflation.
Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:



There’s No Such Thing as Affordable Housing
Daniel Herriges 
Jan 4, 2023

The upshot of the article is that simply building housing that meets the "affordable" criteria isn't going to do the job. Since it's new, it's going to be more desirable, and so its price will go up. People can get into affordable housing without moving: Either they make more money and have bought or have a contract that keeps their housing costs constant, or housing is built that doesn't fit the "affordable" definition but once there's a glut of housing available at the "top," that depresses prices all the way down the line.  So just frickin' build, and let the market do its thing.

I'm not sure I agree 100% but I do agree that just building any units is probably better than trying to get cheaper and cheaper housing to market.


Gated tent communities under overpasses!
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:20am

 Isabeau wrote:


Agreed. However, with an affordable housing crisis here in the U.S., home ownership becoming out of reach or can't afford exorbitant rent hikes. Homelessness rising with the population already here ... where will these immigrant workers LIVE?
Farm workers may have bunk houses, but not the maid that works cleaning hotel rooms or the guy doing construction. How will they have affordable housing on the wages they make in our current environment? 



There’s No Such Thing as Affordable Housing
Daniel Herriges 
Jan 4, 2023

The upshot of the article is that simply building housing that meets the "affordable" criteria isn't going to do the job. Since it's new, it's going to be more desirable, and so its price will go up. People can get into affordable housing without moving: Either they make more money and have bought or have a contract that keeps their housing costs constant, or housing is built that doesn't fit the "affordable" definition but once there's a glut of housing available at the "top," that depresses prices all the way down the line.  So just frickin' build, and let the market do its thing.

I'm not sure I agree 100% but I do agree that just building any units is probably better than trying to get cheaper and cheaper housing to market.
Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:01am

 miamizsun wrote:


How labor shortages drive inflation and how immigration can help




By CECILIA ESTERLINEJANUARY 26, 2023

The first piece in our labor shortages series demonstrated how labor shortages negatively impact Americans’ quality of life. The staggering inflation rates were an added blow over the last year, and these two phenomena are connected as labor shortages contribute to the inflation rate’s unsustainable growth. Supplementing our labor force by recovering pandemic-era immigration losses can help.



Agreed. However, with an affordable housing crisis here in the U.S., home ownership becoming out of reach or can't afford exorbitant rent hikes. Homelessness rising with the population already here ... where will these immigrant workers LIVE?
Farm workers may have bunk houses, but not the maid that works cleaning hotel rooms or the guy doing construction. How will they have affordable housing on the wages they make in our current environment? 
miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 8:20am



How labor shortages drive inflation and how immigration can help




By CECILIA ESTERLINEJANUARY 26, 2023

The first piece in our labor shortages series demonstrated how labor shortages negatively impact Americans’ quality of life. The staggering inflation rates were an added blow over the last year, and these two phenomena are connected as labor shortages contribute to the inflation rate’s unsustainable growth. Supplementing our labor force by recovering pandemic-era immigration losses can help.







kurtster

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 10:06pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.
 
Places like Russia make a good case for borders.  Just ask the Ukrainians ...

Maybe you should drop the Ukrainian flag from your avatar since you think that borders should not exist ... kinda hypocritical, eh ?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 4:05pm

 haresfur wrote:


Can't say I'd want to live in Canada with a completely open border to the US effin A


The US of fucking A needs to get the fuck over itself.
haresfur

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 4:01pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.


Can't say I'd want to live in Canada with a completely open border to the US effin A
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 3:59pm

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 3:43pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I went to a thing where "liberals" were paired up with "conservatives" and you know which side I was recruited for but when the immigration subject was universally agreed to be a matter of degree, I dropped a Lazyism on them (I think) with "what right does a government have to restrict a person's freedom of movement?" and that was fun.



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